5yr old girl missing in Wales

Thrill · 04-10-2012 01:18AM

Ellsbells wrote: »

The mother knew where she was - on her front doorstep!!!

I'm not saying anything against the girls parents here but unless you are actually watching your child then a parent can only assume they know where their kid is and what they are up to.

The quite common saying "you cant take your eyes off them for a second" comes to mind.

EDIT: From a link in a post above, it appears she not sitting on the doorstep.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/03/article-2211516-154F971E000005DC-345_634x422.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211516/April-Jones-She-needs-medication-grandparents-plea-police-quiz-suspect-missing-year-old.html?openGraphAuthor=/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=Stephen+Wright&videoPlayerURL=http://c.brightcove.com/services/viewer/federated_f9?isVid=1&isUI=1&publisherID=1418450360&playerID=72484359001&domain=embed&videoId=&hasBCVideo=true&BCVideoID=1874317921001

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Smidge · 04-10-2012 01:21AM

Thrill wrote: »

I'm not saying anything against the girls parents here but unless you are actually watching your child then a parent can only assume they know where their kid is and what they are up to.

The quite common saying "you cant take your eyes off them for a second" comes to mind.

EDIT: From a link in a post above, it appears she not sitting on the doorstep.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/03/article-2211516-154F971E000005DC-345_634x422.jpg

That is a fair distance for a 5 year old to be away from her home in the evening unsupervised imo and thats why I put up the link.
I'm not pointing fingers or laying blame.

lukesmom · 04-10-2012 01:30AM

Have to agree. That is quite a distance considering I don't let my 10 year old be that far away out of sight when it's dark. The way it has been portrayed was as though she was just outside her house. I wouldn't place any blame on her mother but if the McCann case taught us anything, its that you can never be too careful and they were quite a distance from her

Chucky the tree · 04-10-2012 01:31AM

dave1982 wrote: »

Watch sky news they are talking to to members of the public.

Saying people are afraid to let their kids out, the community is devasted.

Why? They have the guilty guy locked up according to you. Might as well let their kids out till all hours until he is realised.

Smidge · 04-10-2012 01:34AM

lukesmom wrote: »

Have to agree. That is quite a distance considering I don't let my 10 year old be that far away out of sight when it's dark. The way it has been portrayed was as though she was just outside her house. I wouldn't place any blame on her mother but if the McCann case taught us anything, its that you can never be too careful and they were quite a distance from her

In the same newspaper article it said that her parents were at a parent/teacher meeting at the school when the abduction occurred and that they were waiting to come home for her dinner.
Who was looking after her so?

lukesmom · 04-10-2012 01:38AM

Smidge wrote: »

lukesmom wrote: »

Have to agree. That is quite a distance considering I don't let my 10 year old be that far away out of sight when it's dark. The way it has been portrayed was as though she was just outside her house. I wouldn't place any blame on her mother but if the McCann case taught us anything, its that you can never be too careful and they were quite a distance from her

In the same newspaper article it said that her parents were at a parent/teacher meeting at the school when the abduction occurred and that they were waiting to come home for her dinner.
Who was looking after her so?

Good question. Maybe a neighbour was meant to be keeping an eye on her. Does seem like a tight knit community. Not looking likely she will be found alive at this stage considering the extensive scale of the searches that have taken place. Still curious about her biological father.

dave1982 · 04-10-2012 01:43AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Why? They have the guilty guy locked up according to you. Might as well let their kids out till all hours until he is realised.

So they have wrong man in custody according to you.

Smidge · 04-10-2012 01:46AM

lukesmom wrote: »

Good question. Maybe a neighbour was meant to be keeping an eye on her. Does seem like a tight knit community. Not looking likely she will be found alive at this stage considering the extensive scale of the searches that have taken place. Still curious about her biological father.

I don't know tbh it seems a bit odd.
Was it kind of "We're off to the meeting Betty, keep an eye on her will ya?"
"Ah shure no probs, she'll be grand out there" ?

Which I have seen and heard numerous times in Dublin.

smellsARAT · 04-10-2012 02:38AM

i agree all this dont add up , its been over 50 hours with 1 suspect in custody..why only this one man?? wat do they av on him??...
police not giving much info.. which seems to me like they dont have much evidence or any other suspects at present which means theyre holdin on by a thread..... was has this mark bridger said so far i do wonder....
i av been following the news specially today i saw the sons interview and i felt he came across as pale faced.. distant not qite with it,... seemed a little worried/his replys were stumbled uncoherent/unresponsive... i feeel theres more to this scott bridger than meets the eye...
ok hes not known his father long so we're told but sumit dont add up..
i hear his dad dated aprils mother and her husband isnt aprils biological father!!

so i put this theory to you all.... maybe aprils mum had a fling with mark bridger it wasnt to last but she fell pregnant..
didnt tell mark bridger but then he found out sumtime later and wanted to see her but wasnt allowed... and maybe him n his son cocked up some plan to abduct n hide her some where safe to av full custody...

or prehaps mark knew she was his daughter n dint care as his past history states he had many gf's n few children he never bothered with!!

maybe scott his son found him and things aint gone how he planned and he abducted april n framed his dad or his dads takin the rap for it.....
far fetched idea i know but sumtimes u gotta think outside the box ..
see the bigger picture 3 days searching a big area of woods/fields/warehouse n nothing found of april seems odd i do wonder alot !!!! tell me your thoughts people???

Wee Willy Harris · 04-10-2012 02:59AM

well I've not bn following the case so close so your theory just appears very, very plausible indeed like you really are on the case

Chucky the tree · 04-10-2012 03:02AM

dave1982 wrote: »

So they have wrong man in custody according to you.

I never said that.

smellsARAT · 04-10-2012 03:27AM

Wee Willy Harris wrote: »

well I've not bn following the case so close so your theory just appears very, very plausible indeed like you really are on the case

well i am no detective but i watch alot of documentarys n police programmes got family in police so u learn stuff..if i was c.i.d etc there wud be nothing that i wudnt rule out.... this scott marks sons turns up outta blue after 2 days on 3rd day helpin searchin his interview was weird u ad to watch it to know where am comin from,,, someit dnt add up i reckon scotts the one they need to be questioning too right now!! not sayin mark bridgers inncocent,, possible he is or isnt,,, is april dead or alive where is she there only so many places she can be he had no time to get rid of a body or did he!??

Wee Willy Harris · 04-10-2012 03:32AM

Hmm, I dunno, doesn't even bear thinking about

unless you're on the case.

smellsARAT · 04-10-2012 03:41AM

yes this true wudnt wanna go thru this my self... id love to be a detective tho,, intrigues me wat pushes people to do things,, the mind is so complex...

Wee Willy Harris · 04-10-2012 03:47AM

Indeed.

deelite · 04-10-2012 07:45AM

According to Sky News April had been playing in the Land Rover a few days earlier with Bridger's other children - forensic evidence is probably null and void on this vehicle then.

sponge_bob · 04-10-2012 07:50AM

Wee Willy Harris wrote: »

Indeed.

Been following this thread for the last few days to see if there is any updates on the childs whereabouts, Living in Australia I dont get this kinda news about home so I rely on boards for this info.

Just wanted to say that the amount of noise, rubbish and people who are trying to make out that they are better parents than everyone else, is just beyond all. It has gotten to the stage now that when I look into the thread for an update I just quickly scroll down the page looking for 2 phrases ' Thank God I am so pleased' or 'RIP'.
People really need to get down from there high horses around here it dosn't matter who is right or who is wrong or who is better than who, What does matter is that there is a little 5yr old girl out there who is alone probably cold and wet and very very frightened and the only thing she wants is her mammy and daddy and she is the only thing they want right now.
Dont loose sight of whats important here, Just so that you can feel good about yourself.

Rant Over

Wee Willy Harris · 04-10-2012 08:00AM

Indeed...

so let's not speculate wildly and hope the girl is found and found alive even. Thread title noted; for decency sake.

bbam · 04-10-2012 08:12AM

They must have no concrete evidence against this man in custody.. Surely they'd charge him if they had...

He must be tight lipped and confident he won't be found out..
Or
Could he be innocent ?? could they have messed up and focused too much on this man letting the real monster to walk away..
Or,
Are they trying to flush out an accomplice, someone who helped or was involved?

_feedback_ · 04-10-2012 08:20AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

With what?

What are you so confused about? I said I thought he would be charged when the photo was released, as I presumed they definately knew it was him if they were releasing the photo...

Ellsbells wrote: »

One persons right I.e. a small bit of freedom for their kids doesn't have to be another persons wrong.

They are not the McCann's. her child was outside her door not out of sight and mind on a night out. Same result but different scenario.

Except it isn't really the same result, as there is no evidence that suggests there was an abduction in that case.

Buck Fizz · 04-10-2012 08:24AM

smellsARAT wrote: »

i agree all this dont add up , its been over 50 hours with 1 suspect in custody..why only this one man?? wat do they av on him??...
police not giving much info.. which seems to me like they dont have much evidence or any other suspects at present which means theyre holdin on by a thread..... was has this mark bridger said so far i do wonder....
i av been following the news specially today i saw the sons interview and i felt he came across as pale faced.. distant not qite with it,... seemed a little worried/his replys were stumbled uncoherent/unresponsive... i feeel theres more to this scott bridger than meets the eye...
ok hes not known his father long so we're told but sumit dont add up..
i hear his dad dated aprils mother and her husband isnt aprils biological father!!

so i put this theory to you all.... maybe aprils mum had a fling with mark bridger it wasnt to last but she fell pregnant..
didnt tell mark bridger but then he found out sumtime later and wanted to see her but wasnt allowed... and maybe him n his son cocked up some plan to abduct n hide her some where safe to av full custody...

or prehaps mark knew she was his daughter n dint care as his past history states he had many gf's n few children he never bothered with!!

maybe scott his son found him and things aint gone how he planned and he abducted april n framed his dad or his dads takin the rap for it.....
far fetched idea i know but sumtimes u gotta think outside the box ..
see the bigger picture 3 days searching a big area of woods/fields/warehouse n nothing found of april seems odd i do wonder alot !!!! tell me your thoughts people???

This is exactly what I was thinking..

vicwatson · 04-10-2012 08:50AM

smellsARAT wrote: »

i agree all this dont add up , its been over 50 hours with 1 suspect in custody..why only this one man?? wat do they av on him??...
police not giving much info.. which seems to me like they dont have much evidence or any other suspects at present which means theyre holdin on by a thread..... was has this mark bridger said so far i do wonder....
i av been following the news specially today i saw the sons interview and i felt he came across as pale faced.. distant not qite with it,... seemed a little worried/his replys were stumbled uncoherent/unresponsive... i feeel theres more to this scott bridger than meets the eye...
ok hes not known his father long so we're told but sumit dont add up..
i hear his dad dated aprils mother and her husband isnt aprils biological father!!

so i put this theory to you all.... maybe aprils mum had a fling with mark bridger it wasnt to last but she fell pregnant..
didnt tell mark bridger but then he found out sumtime later and wanted to see her but wasnt allowed... and maybe him n his son cocked up some plan to abduct n hide her some where safe to av full custody...

or prehaps mark knew she was his daughter n dint care as his past history states he had many gf's n few children he never bothered with!!

maybe scott his son found him and things aint gone how he planned and he abducted april n framed his dad or his dads takin the rap for it.....
far fetched idea i know but sumtimes u gotta think outside the box ..
see the bigger picture 3 days searching a big area of woods/fields/warehouse n nothing found of april seems odd i do wonder alot !!!! tell me your thoughts people???

Conspiracy theories that way ===>> :pac:

Happyman42 · 04-10-2012 09:23AM

I think a lot of posters here are either without child or are the parents of a single child.
Coming from a large family I have seen it happen so many times and it has happened to me in turn too despite the fact that I was extremely judgemental when I was single and childless. It's an easy trap to fall into. Have your own and then pass judgement.
When you have your first child you are so protective and fearful it is almost laughable but also very natural. When you have a number of children you very obviously relax. I know in my case, our second child was almost neglected in comparison to the attentiion and probably overweening care the first got.
That is why this child was playing where it was, it happens all over the world, everyday, and there generally isn't a word about it. I have seen children here in this small town have freedoms you wouldn't dream of giving to a child in a larger town or city. That's the way of the world unfortunately.
Cut these parents a break, this person wanted this particular child and would have gotten her one way or another. I personally suspect this started as a grudge and has gotten out of hand and that police are trying to flush out an accomplice.
I live in hope that a second person is involved and that she is safe somewhere, frightened but safe.

_feedback_ · 04-10-2012 09:27AM

Happyman42 wrote: »

I think a lot of posters here are either without child or are the parents of a single child.
Coming from a large family I have seen it happen so many times and it has happened to me in turn too despite the fact that I was extremely judgemental when I was single and childless. It's an easy trap to fall into. Have your own and then pass judgement.
When you have your first child you are so protective and fearful it is almost laughable but also very natural. When you have a number of children you very obviously relax. I know in my case, our second child was almost neglected in comparison to the attentiion and probably overweening care the first got.
That is why this child was playing where it was, it happens all over the world, everyday, and there generally isn't a word about it. I have seen children here in this small town have freedoms you wouldn't dream of giving to a child in a larger town or city. That's the way of the world unfortunately.
Cut these parents a break, this person wanted this particular child and would have gotten her one way or another. I personally suspect this started as a grudge and has gotten out of hand and that police are trying to flush out an accomplice.
I live in hope that a second person is involved and that she is safe somewhere, frightened but safe.

Shush you idiots without children - quiet now please, your opinion is invalid.

People, listen to this person. They are a parent. They know.

eviltwin · 04-10-2012 09:36AM

elviscostello wrote: »

Shush you idiots without children - quiet now please, your opinion is invalid.

People, listen to this person. They are a parent. They know.

Well I wouldn't say that, everyone's opinion is valid but there is a whole world of difference between thinking about how you would run the show if you had a child and what would actually happen. All parents drop the ball from time to time, it happens, you can never be with your kids all the time.

There are kids who never go out and spend all day indoors and their parents get attacked for mollycoddling them, they are told if they don't let the kids out they will grow up to have health issues etc. Its hard to know what to do. You can't do right for doing wrong.

I think we need to trust that her parents who have a better knowledge of the risks in that area than anyone of us would, made a decision that they felt was the best for their child and I for one will not condemn them for that. They are suffering enough and I don't believe in kicking someone when they are down.

Happyman42 · 04-10-2012 09:36AM

elviscostello wrote: »

Shush you idiots without children - quiet now please, your opinion is invalid.

People, listen to this person. They are a parent. They know.

No...all I said was, your opinion should be based on experience. Judging without empathy or understanding is generally worthless.

For instance, I allowed my 8 year old to walk to school on his own today, busy road with people going to work. I figure he was able and ready for it, away aead of his older brother btw. As a parent I made a decision that it would develop his confidence and independence, it's a risk, but all decisions about your children involve a risk and a dependence on norms.
Does that make me a bad parent? Or am I only a bad parent if he is knocked down or goes missing?

OldNotWIse · 04-10-2012 09:38AM

elviscostello wrote: »

Shush you idiots without children - quiet now please, your opinion is invalid.

People, listen to this person. They are a parent. They know.

Apparently single people are to be shushed also - note the "single and childless" as if its physically impossible to be in a relationship and childless

Happyman42 · 04-10-2012 09:44AM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Apparently single people are to be shushed also - note the "single and childless" as if its physically impossible to be in a relationship and childless

So sorry to be a spanner in your rush to judgement, try dealing with the point raised without reading into and judging something that is not there and has no relevance even if it was.

westies4ever · 04-10-2012 09:46AM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Apparently single people are to be shushed also - note the "single and childless" as if its physically impossible to be in a relationship and childless

I think they meant 'single child' as in only having one child.

wobblyknees · 04-10-2012 09:47AM

elviscostello wrote: »

Shush you idiots without children - quiet now please, your opinion is invalid.

People, listen to this person. They are a parent. They know.

No offence, but I read this in a Bill Hicks voice in my head.

Happyman42 wrote: »

No...all I said was, your opinion should be based on experience. Judging without empathy or understanding is generally worthless.

For instance, I allowed my 8 year old to walk to school on his own today, busy road with people going to work. I figure he was able and ready for it, away aead of his older brother btw. As a parent I made a decision that it would develop his confidence and independence, it's a risk, but all decisions about your children involve a risk and a dependence on norms.
Does that make me a bad parent? Or am I only a bad parent if he is knocked down or goes missing?

This is exactly how I read your post. Everyones situation is different. Nobody has any idea as to the closeness of the local community, how well the neighbours knew each other and so what was acceptable for children and families in the area. Even though we live on a kind of culdisac, my "stay where I can see you" mantra to my own kids I think is appropriate for them and me at the minute, but the truth is I want my kids to be more street smart and above all I do not want them to be naive and afraid to go out.

5yr old girl missing in Wales

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