5yr old girl missing in Wales

Temaz · 03-10-2012 04:52PM

Off topic but Kay Burley is a wicked old witch.

Timothy Bryce · 03-10-2012 04:52PM

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Dickerty · 03-10-2012 04:54PM

TheNap wrote: »

Confirming the clothes he was wearing. He also had on sunglasses. Its Wales in October. Why sunglasses?

I was wearing sunglasses today, does that make me suspicious also?

TheNap wrote: »

Words cant describe how evil this man is

Can we get a grip here? It is not impossible that the police may have made a mistake. Very unlikely, but still possible. Let's not light the torches just yet for that lynching...

Rasmus · 03-10-2012 04:54PM

Timothy Bryce wrote: »

Well that's ok then. Phone the mob, there's a lynching afoot.

How is it a lynching? The police think he is guilty, he was seen letting the missing girl into his car. His picture was released. Nobody is jumping the gun here.

youtube! · 03-10-2012 04:56PM

Ye know when it comes to children and murder I really wish they would torture the bastard until he confesses.

I read that water-boarding for example makes even the most defiant terrorists sing like a canary. It is actually so effective that when the yanks used it against suspected taliban or al queda terrorists they knew with 100% accuracy if they had any information.

If this guy knows something that treatment will definitely be effective. If he is innocent then it wont simple as that.

The laws of detainment are a bloody joke, for the sake of the family get the answers, waterboard him even on the sly.

Einhard · 03-10-2012 04:56PM

Rasmus wrote: »

How is it a lynching? The police think he is guilty,

The police think a lot of innocent people are guilty. Until it's proven otherwise.

he was seen letting the missing girl into his car.

Was he? Or did witnesses say it looked like him?

Craptacular · 03-10-2012 04:57PM

Rasmus wrote: »

Timothy Bryce wrote: »

Well that's ok then. Phone the mob, there's a lynching afoot.

How is it a lynching? The police think he is guilty, he was seen letting the missing girl into his car. His picture was released. Nobody is jumping the gun here.

Have they confirmed it was him and his vehicle? Last I saw they said he was not the only line of enquiry.

Merkin · 03-10-2012 04:57PM

What's waterboarding?

Einhard · 03-10-2012 04:58PM

youtube! wrote: »

If this guy knows something that treatment will definitely be effective. If he is innocent then it wont simple as that.

The laws of detainment are a bloody joke, for the sake of the family get the answers, waterboard him even on the sly.

So what happens if they torture him, and it turns out he's completely innocent?

Just playing devil's advocate here.

heavyballs · 03-10-2012 04:58PM

Einhard wrote: »

heavyballs wrote: »

Oh fook I hate sky so much,

They're really only providing what people want.

I must disagree

Einhard · 03-10-2012 04:58PM

Merkin wrote: »

What's waterboarding?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv58

youtube! · 03-10-2012 05:00PM

Einhard wrote: »

So what happens if they torture him, and it turns out he's completely innocent?

Just playing devil's advocate here.

well its a good question and the answer is he will live and sue the police but its worth the risk for the sake of the little child.

ejmaztec · 03-10-2012 05:00PM

Merkin wrote: »

What's waterboarding?

A popular olympic sporting event at Guantanamo.

_feedback_ · 03-10-2012 05:00PM

youtube! wrote: »

Ye know when it comes to children and murder I really wish they would torture the bastard until he confesses.

I read that water-boarding for example makes even the most defiant terrorists sing like a canary. It is actually so effective that when the yanks used it against suspected taliban or al queda terrorists they knew with 100% accuracy if they had any information.

If this guy knows something that treatment will definitely be effective. If he is innocent then it wont simple as that.

The laws of detainment are a bloody joke, for the sake of the family get the answers, waterboard him even on the sly.

Seriously?! What about innocent people that know nothing?

This guy is a recent one that was released after being jailed but innocent.

Einhard · 03-10-2012 05:00PM

heavyballs wrote: »

I must disagree

Millions of people are tuning in. And will do so later tonight. And tomorrow. And the next day. They want what Sky has to offer.

Rasmus · 03-10-2012 05:02PM

Einhard wrote: »

The police think a lot of innocent people are guilty. Until it's proven otherwise.

Was he? Or did witnesses say it looked like him?

Yep, must be a conspiracy to put an innocent man behind bars! Catch your daily dose of Law and Order today?

Einhard · 03-10-2012 05:04PM

Rasmus wrote: »

Yep, must be a conspiracy to put an innocent man behind bars! Catch your daily dose of Law and Order today?

What? I never said it was a conspiracy. Just pointing out that just because the police believe someone to be guilty, doesn't mean that he is. That's why we have a judicial system. Pretty reasonable points to make I would have thought...

Rasmus · 03-10-2012 05:07PM

Einhard wrote: »

What? I never said it was a conspiracy. Just pointing out that just because the police believe someone to be guilty, doesn't mean that he is. That's why we have a judicial system. Pretty reasonable points to make I would have thought...

You may be playing devil's advocate, but do you really believe he didn't kidnap April? Bear in mind you are not part of the judicial system and this is a discussion forum.

Benny_Cake · 03-10-2012 05:08PM

youtube! wrote: »

Ye know when it comes to children and murder I really wish they would torture the bastard until he confesses.

I read that water-boarding for example makes even the most defiant terrorists sing like a canary. It is actually so effective that when the yanks used it against suspected taliban or al queda terrorists they knew with 100% accuracy if they had any information.

If this guy knows something that treatment will definitely be effective. If he is innocent then it wont simple as that.

The laws of detainment are a bloody joke, for the sake of the family get the answers, waterboard him even on the sly.

Yes, torture is very effective in getting someone to say whatever it is you want them to say.

Aside from the moral bankruptcy of this argument, they probably could torture this suspect to get a confession out of him. The Daily Mail / Sun reading lynch-mob type could enjoy their righteous anger then, unless of course another little girl goes missing in a few weeks because it turns out that they got the wrong guy. A person will admit to anything to avoid more torture. Either you are trolling or you know very little about torture.

Einhard · 03-10-2012 05:09PM

Rasmus wrote: »

You may be playing devil's advocate, but do you really believe he didn't kidnap April? Bear in mind you are not part of the judicial system and this is a discussion forum.

I was playing devil's advocate on the torture suggestion. I don't know whether he abducted the girl. It's probable that he did, but it's not impossible that he's innocent. You seem to be throwing out the whole innocent until proven guilty thing based entirely on what you've heard and read in the media, and that's slightly disturbing to be honest.

heavyballs · 03-10-2012 05:10PM

Einhard wrote: »

heavyballs wrote: »

I must disagree

Millions of people are tuning in. And will do so later tonight. And tomorrow. And the next day. They want what Sky has to offer.

Some want it,some don't.
Point is,It's done in very bad taste
I switched on 5 mins ago and the reporter was saying how lovely the countryside is,like ffs.
I turned off and won't be tuning back in.

Benny_Cake · 03-10-2012 05:10PM

Rasmus wrote: »

You may be playing devil's advocate, but do you really believe he didn't kidnap April? Bear in mind you are not part of the judicial system and this is a discussion forum.

How can anyone here say with any degree of certainty whether he kidnapped her, or didn't? None of us are sitting in the interrogation room, we know very little about this man apart from the fact that the police are questioning him. The truth will out in due course, we'll just have to wait and see. I just hope she turns up, although it's looking unlikely.

vicwatson · 03-10-2012 05:11PM

The suspect they are still questioning, what's going on there?

Has he denied the abduction?

Has he abducted "to order"? (as perishing the thought might be) and is April gone out of the country?

Why has he not broken silence thus far?

There was a white van (looked like a Ford Connect) surrounded by Police yesterday near the bridge, what ever happened with that?

Then a Land Rover came into the frame, that they found it in a garage.

dodderangler · 03-10-2012 05:15PM

I prob speakin for myself here but if I was that child's father I would personally want to torture him in my own way to find where my daughter was

youtube! · 03-10-2012 05:16PM

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Yes, torture is very effective in getting someone to say whatever it is you want them to say.

Aside from the moral bankruptcy of this argument, they probably could torture this suspect to get a confession out of him. The Daily Mail / Sun reading lynch-mob type could enjoy their righteous anger then, unless of course another little girl goes missing in a few weeks because it turns out that they got the wrong guy. A person will admit to anything to avoid more torture. Either you are trolling or you know very little about torture.

No I am not trolling,very serious. The beauty of waterboarding is that it is 100% effective, it works. If the guy is guilty he will confess but if he really is innocent they will know immediately and stop the treatment,there is no hiding from the truth here, either he knows or he does not. he will not be able to withstand and keep any secrets to himself. the americans never had to over do this treatment because they knew straight away if the person had something to hide, how do you think they have been so effective in catching so many terrorists?

vicwatson · 03-10-2012 05:16PM

Benny_Cake wrote: »

How can anyone here say with any degree of certainty whether he kidnapped her, or didn't? None of us are sitting in the interrogation room, we know very little about this man apart from the fact that the police are questioning him. The truth will out in due course, we'll just have to wait and see. I just hope she turns up, although it's looking unlikely.

“Everyone around here knows Mark Bridger — he’s a well-known face in the town.”
Bridger is a former soldier and jack-of-all-trades, whose jobs included lifeguard, slaughterhouse worker and gardener. He also played for local darts and cricket teams.

Former neighbours say the divorcee had a chequered history of six children with three women and various careers.
Police hunting for April were “ripping apart” the house where Bridger had been living for just two weeks.
He moved into the whitewashed farmhouse named Mount Pleasant after the end of his latest relationship.
And neighbours told how police had been systemically searching the house along with nearby factory units, farm buildings and foresty shacks.
His next door neighbour said police broke into nearby factory buildings in the search for April - breaking steel padlocks on doors.
The neighbour said: “I heard huge banging sounds as they broke their way through the steel doors at about 7pm last night.
“The factories were closed but they were determined to get in as soon as possible.
“They searched throughly but found nothing.
“Then they came back at 2am in the morning and woke me up to get me to open some Forestry Commission units which I have the keys for.
“They searched them inside out too.”
Surrey-born Bridger married a local woman Julie Williams but their relationship later fell apart after having three children.
He had two children with Elaine Dafydd during their 10 years together - and were living in the same street as April Jones’s family.
Their relationship broke down as well and he moved in with another local woman Corinna Robinson.
And after that romance ended he started seeing Vicky Fenner who also lived on the same street as April’s family.
One former neighbour said: “He has had a lot of women and goes from one to another. But he was well-liked.
“Looking back now, it seems like a lot of relationships but these things can happen in life.
“He’s never been single for long and has always got on with people even though this a very small community - everyone knows everyone else’s business here.”

A regular in the town’s Red Lion pub said: “He’s an outgoing character who has not been in trouble as far as we know.”
It is believed Bridger was known to police and his name was linked with the inquiry at an early stage.
He has two children living on the estate where April disappeared — by Elaine Dafydd, 42, who lives near April’s family. She also has a younger daughter Erin, five, from a new relationship.

Gracelessly Tom · 03-10-2012 05:17PM

youtube! wrote: »

No I am not trolling,very serious. The beauty of waterboarding is that it is 100% effective, it works. If the guy is guilty he will confess but if he really is innocent they will know immediately and stop the treatment,there is no hiding from the truth here, either he knows or he does not. he will not be able to withstand and keep any secrets to himself. the americans never had to over do this treatment because they knew straight away if the person had something to hide, how do you think they have been so effective in catching so many terrorists?

Yes, that's the reason they have caught so many terrorists.

Dickerty · 03-10-2012 05:20PM

vicwatson wrote: »

There was a white van (looked like a Ford Connect) surrounded by Police yesterday near the bridge, what ever happened with that?

Then a Land Rover came into the frame, that they found it in a garage.

I was wondering about that. I'd imagine those vans are very common, but a big coincidence. They already had this guy in custody at that stage. But his Land Rover was left hand drive, which seems to be the key point, and was dirty with grey stripes on blue, which ties into the report that it was a grey vehicle...

youtube! · 03-10-2012 05:23PM

Gracelessly Tom wrote: »

Yes, that's the reason they have caught so many terrorists.

ok no need to be so pedantic but it is one of the reasons,it works,if it was your daughter and you knew this guy knew something i am sure you would want it done.

Dickerty · 03-10-2012 05:32PM

vicwatson wrote: »

He has two children living on the estate where April disappeared — by Elaine Dafydd, 42, who lives near April’s family. She also has a younger daughter Erin, five, from a new relationship.

That's an interesting fact. How easy would it have been for him to be recognised, even by kids around there? Is it possible he took the wrong kid? The profile is being social, well liked, popular with women and a father is not consistant with people who abduct children...

5yr old girl missing in Wales

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