Stupid young male drivers: how can we stop them?

seven_eleven · 30-09-2012 01:37PM

the culture of deference wrote: »

In my last job I used to have to read the Books of evidence in driving accidents, so you would get detailed statements of the firemen and garda on the scene. One always stands out in my mind where describing a head on collision on the M50, you couldn't tell the bodies and the interior of the car from each other. It was almost impossible to distinguish between both.

Yep. This is something the general public dont get to see or understand. Your body will be ripped into peices. Head smashed like an egg, brains all over the dashboard, your torso ripped in 2 with vital organs hanging out. Think when you see animal road-kill. yeah well the same things happens to humans.

the culture of deference · 30-09-2012 01:37PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

Not when it's being driven by a twat with minimal driving skills.

The M3 will wheelspin in every gear. They are a scary car to drive in the wet. A twat would not have driving skills to get very far in it without smashing it up.

_rebelkid · 30-09-2012 02:02PM

This has to be the most pitiful thread I've ever seen.

I'm 17, male and on my Learner Permit. Many of my friends are male and driving. Yes, there are idiots that are in the same situation as me and don't take any consideration for the law or for other motorists, but how are we supposed to learn when all of the supposed "intelligent older drivers" try and push us off the road, overtake leaving maybe an inch of space, tailgate, jump red lights, do 80kph in a 50kph zone, turn in any direction they like when they like, all the while saying how bad we are driving.

The idea that it's a "male problem" is ludicrous. I have been driving for 6 months, and in that time most of the near misses I've had is by women in the BMW 530i their husband bought for them, deciding that "oh he's on "L's" and young so I'll just move out not looking that there is a car coming and he's trying to overtake the slow moving vehicle in front of them and the reason he's is going slower than I am is because he is actively looking in his mirrors and taking consideration as to what traffic might be coming or what the vehicle in font of him might do."

I am not harping on about "Women Driver" because that stereotype is as stupid as the "Young Male Drivers" stereotype.

It is not a male issue. It is purely based on the person driving. When you get into a car, gender goes out of the window. A single person is the driver, they are making the decisions on their own, they consciously decide to speed, to modify their car, to drive at 2am. The gender of the person doing so is only a statistic that the media love to fling about.

I am sick and tired of people saying that young male drivers all want to kill themselves. And that people seem to only be talking about them on the road. I have to fastidiously follow the law, and even if I do, I am more likely to be failed at my driving test. I have spoken with many testers and they know of people who have been failed for some fault that never happened, but because they are male the tester failed them. They even consider the f*****g clothes you wear!

What I am trying to say is: Male drivers aren't the issue. It is the mindset of all driver, be they young or old, male or female. People in today's world have the idea that "no one can say anything to me 'cause who are they to judge, I'm great and you can't say otherwise 'cause then you're just an attention seeker". It is THAT mindset that needs to be changed, regardless of gender or age.

My condolences to the OP.

eth0 · 30-09-2012 02:17PM

Marsden wrote: »

In Russia its now compulsory to have a built in camera looking out your front window and monitoring your driving, this should act as a deterrent but will not completely wipe out road deaths due to dangerous driving. It will eventually be stamped out when autonomous cars are fully operational on Irish roads but this is still a good few years away.

There is no need to turn into a complete drysh1te who wants to put everyone in driverless Google autonomous cars because someone got killed, this would a very boring world to live in. You might as well ban every other hobby that poses some risk to innocent bystanders then. Just because you're content with sitting in an arm chair reading a book and occasionally calling Joe Duffy doesn't mean everyone else should be. No need to ban driving or come up with other draconian measures

boiledsweets · 30-09-2012 02:58PM

I agree it is more to do with the person,but they say statisically that it is young male drivers that throw caution to the wind..

nbar12 · 30-09-2012 03:00PM

piss in their eyes and drink their tea and coffee

_rebelkid · 30-09-2012 03:01PM

boiledsweets wrote: »

I agree it is more to do with the person,but they say statisically that it is young male drivers that throw caution to the wind..

The statistics actually say that young male drivers seem to be involved in more collisions, but they do not say they are the cause of those.

boiledsweets · 30-09-2012 03:03PM

The statistics actually say that young male drivers seem to be involved in more collisions, but they do not say they are the cause of those.

coninsidence maybe that they are young male drivers in each instance of collision

humbert · 30-09-2012 03:05PM

Poxyshamrock wrote: »

Stupid young rural male drivers.

In my experience and according to the statistics rural drivers are just worse across the board.

_rebelkid wrote: »

This has to be the most pitiful thread I've ever seen.
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The statistics completely disagree with this. E.g. in 2000 50 out of 55 young car drivers to die in accidents were male.

Cantona's Collars · 30-09-2012 03:12PM

Having spent a lot of time travelling on Ireland's roads,I've seen some crazy,stupid stuff & 90% of it was young lads driving as if they were in the Indy 500.
As recently as Friday while travelling to Carlow & doing bang on 100kph,a green Golf with 2 lads around 20-25 yrs of age came up behind me at speed.Passed me on the overtaking lane but then tried to overtake an artic at the top by going through the ghost Island only to have a jeep parked in the middle waiting to turn right.All I could say to my wife was "Jesus,they're dead".By some miracle they missed the jeep a the truck swerved to the left into the hard shoulder.Did they learn their lesson? NO! literally 30 seconds later,they caused an approaching van to swerve to avoid a collision as they overtook 3 cars on a solid white line just as the road narrowed.

_rebelkid · 30-09-2012 03:14PM

humbert wrote: »

The statistics completely disagree with this. E.g. in 2000 50 out of 55 young car drivers to die in accidents were male.

12 Years is an extremely long time. We had a totally different economy, and cars were nowhere near as expensive or safe.

Also, that statistic doesn't show anything relating to this thread. It says that 50 young male drivers lost their lives in 200. Who caused the crash? What were they driving? Where was the crash? What time of day was it? How many vehicles were involved? Those are the issues pertinent to the "problem"

seven_eleven · 30-09-2012 03:20PM

Honestly Rebekid, I hate that skipping around and avoiding the real problem attitude. I say this as a young male driver.

_rebelkid · 30-09-2012 03:21PM

zerks wrote: »

Having spent a lot of time travelling on Ireland's roads,I've seen some crazy,stupid stuff & 90% of it was young lads driving as if they were in the Indy 500.
As recently as Friday while travelling to Carlow & doing bang on 100kph,a green Golf with 2 lads around 20-25 yrs of age came up behind me at speed.Passed me on the overtaking lane but then tried to overtake an artic at the top by going through the ghost Island only to have a jeep parked in the middle waiting to turn right.All I could say to my wife was "Jesus,they're dead".By some miracle they missed the jeep a the truck swerved to the left into the hard shoulder.Did they learn their lesson? NO! literally 30 seconds later,they caused an approaching van to swerve to avoid a collision as they overtook 3 cars on a solid white line just as the road narrowed.

It is a sad fact that this type of thing happens, but there are as many instances where older drivers have done the same. This topic will always be a bone of contention, with each person having different examples of each side of the debate. There are people who, as many have said, will gladly "go out and kill themselves and their friends", and those are balanced by the many who know the dangers of the road and who drive with courtesy and respect.

There are many factors that contribute to the problem of reckless drivers, all of which need to be dealt with before we lose many more lives.

humbert · 30-09-2012 03:23PM

_rebelkid wrote: »

12 Years is an extremely long time. We had a totally different economy, and cars were nowhere near as expensive or safe.

It is if you are young, otherwise it's not. Also, you don't understand statistics. I wasn't talking about total I was talking about the proportion of young drivers killed that were male.

_rebelkid wrote: »

It says that 50 young male drivers lost their lives in 200. Who caused the crash? What were they driving? Where was the crash? What time of day was it? How many vehicles were involved? Those are the issues pertinent to the "problem"

The statistics are available to answer those questions but that isn't the point I was addressing. The crashes were most likely to be in rural counties at the weekend late at night. As for the number of vehicles, that would depend on whether the young male driver hit another car or not. If it was not young male drivers causing the crashes they would not make up such I high proportion of the fatalities.

_rebelkid wrote: »

The idea that it's a "male problem" is ludicrous.

No, it isn't.

Sir Pompous Righteousness · 30-09-2012 03:26PM

This is a terribly sexist thread. Imagine a thread about women drivers - the hordes of militant feminists and Rebecca Watson supporters would be out in full force.

Girls, don't do that.

_rebelkid · 30-09-2012 03:29PM

Sir Pompous Righteousness wrote: »

This is a terribly sexist thread. Imagine a thread about women drivers - the hordes of militant feminists and Rebecca Watson supporters would be out in full force.

Girls, don't do that.

There was a thread about women drivers last year, but it was closed because of sexism........ Hypocracy abounds!

seven_eleven · 30-09-2012 03:31PM

Sir Pompous Righteousness wrote: »

This is a terribly sexist thread. Imagine a thread about women drivers - the hordes of militant feminists and Rebecca Watson supporters would be out in full force.

Girls, don't do that.

_rebelkid wrote: »

There was a thread about women drivers last year, but it was closed because of sexism........ Hypocracy abounds!

So? I think we can be mature enough not to get upset about petty things such as sexism and look at the cold hard facts. Once again lets not hop around the real problem like some silly little politician.

_rebelkid · 30-09-2012 03:33PM

seven_eleven wrote: »

So? I think we can be mature enough not to get upset about petty things such as sexism and look at the cold hard facts. Once again lets not hop around the real problem like some silly little politician.

So tells us, what is the real problem?

humbert · 30-09-2012 03:34PM

Sir Pompous Righteousness wrote: »

This is a terribly sexist thread. Imagine a thread about women drivers - the hordes of militant feminists and Rebecca Watson supporters would be out in full force.

Girls, don't do that.

_rebelkid wrote: »

There was a thread about women drivers last year, but it was closed because of sexism........ Hypocracy abounds!

Sexism implies discrimination on the basis of gender. Discussing the fact that young males statistically cause more accidents isn't sexist because the conclusion is not based on gender but statistics.

The previous thread on the other hand was sexist because the negative comments were not based on facts/statistics but were based on gender stereotypes.

maxfresh · 30-09-2012 03:35PM

How about the "baby on board" brigade ,that never use indicators and weave all over the road while talking on the phone

Snowie · 30-09-2012 03:37PM

Where To wrote: »

The 'boy racer' culture is disappearing, albeit not quickly enough. Compare any town in Ireland now with what it was like ten years ago and the difference is astounding.

However, bad manners, bad habits, bad decision making, bad awareness and just plain bad driving from ALL sections of society are increasing, in my experience.

hardly theres a lot of cars in a lot of sheds simply because like every one else no one can afford to put petrol into them that doesnt mean a couple of us dont have s tupid monster lurking in deep hibernation waiting for cheep petrol to comeback

seven_eleven · 30-09-2012 03:40PM

_rebelkid wrote: »

So tells us, what is the real problem?

You know well what Im talking about. Youll see it as you get more experience with driving, your full licence and more. Sure old idiots that dont know how to use roundabouts and moronic women driving their 4x4's without a clue how to use them are a big problem but its primarily young male drivers that top it.

Hurricane Carter · 30-09-2012 03:42PM

humbert wrote: »

Sexism implies discrimination on the basis of gender. Discussing the fact that young males statistically cause more accidents isn't sexist because the conclusion is not based on gender but statistics.

The previous thread on the other hand was sexist because the negative comments were not based on facts/statistics but were based on gender stereotypes.

Statistically, I've had 6 women drivers almost cause me a crash this year. Not one male driver has done the same.

This is a fact based on my own experience.

Pherekydes · 30-09-2012 04:06PM

I Am Kong! wrote: »

Statistically, I've had 6 women drivers almost cause me a crash this year. Not one male driver has done the same.

This is a fact based on my own experience.

You're only a sample of one.

ScumLord · 30-09-2012 04:57PM

Young men are going to take stupid risks, it's what young men do. You can encourage better driving but unless there's enforcement like there is in the UK nothings going to change. We could also do something about the dangers of Irish roads. You can have crashes in other countries that aren't as fatal, in Ireland we have ditches on either side so any mistake is severally punished. Even slow cars that lose control and hit a ditch will end in a fatality.

There should be more services for lads to get there speed hit. Irish drivers may well make excellent race drivers given the chance. If they seriously enjoy racing they'd be less likely to risk there race license by racing on public roads.

kowloon · 30-09-2012 05:01PM

I have to say, I haven't seen many no fear stickers on the road in a while. Is it an economy thing or has it just become unfashionable to drive a 'hot hatch'?

I live in a rural area and we used to have a problem with the town crowd coming out here at night and speeding around the place. Every once in a while a burnt out car that they'd stolen would show up in someones field. It was never the local crowd, people tend to behave a little better in their own neighborhood.

Either way, it hasn't happened in ages, so something is happening to combat it.

Gardai? RSA campaign? Or like I suggested above, is it fashion or economic factors?

The one thing it seems to have nothing to do with is the insurance cost, apparently you're no longer penalised (:pac:) for being male.

Hannibal Smith · 30-09-2012 05:05PM

robbie7730 wrote: »

Hannibal Smith wrote: »

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If they thought getting into the car meant death, they wouldn't get in? I bet their mates families wished they never got on too! What a bizarre thing to say.

You dont get that simple statement?

They get into the car, and no chance do they think they will be in a crash. This contradicts you sayng they are happy to kill others.

You dont grasp that?? As in they are young males, will take higher risks than the average person. Every time you get into a car there is a risk also, but again, you wont grasp why I say that either.

You dont believe young males take more risks by virtue of being young males. Im stating this not as as excuse, but a fact of life. At least try to grasp that part.

I never contradicted myself. I was repeating what you said. They know the risks, they know they could die, but they still do it.

It was you who said they don't believe any harm will come to them, all the while prattling out the...'they like to take risks' argument. If they don't think any harm will befall them, what is the risk they are running then?

I'm perfectly capable of grasping your posts, not agreeing with you is not a misunderstanding. In fact I find your posts so flippant and careless and would be concerned that any young racers reading them would say 'ah well its in my blood, i'll keep doing it'.

Fact is, driving carelessly is wrong and if you find yourself helpless to your urge to keep doing it, don't get behind the wheel, because you're a danger to yourself , your passengers and other road users. And the whole 'its in my blood' ridiculousness will not wash with your family, the family of those you put in danger and the fire and ambulance crews that will ultimately have to mop you off the road.

ScumLord · 30-09-2012 05:16PM

kowloon wrote: »

Gardai? RSA campaign? Or like I suggested above, is it fashion or economic factors?

Price of fuel, everyones driving slower because they can't afford to drive fast. It doesn't mean they've stopped driving fast they're just doing it less often.

Giselle · 30-09-2012 05:19PM

I Am Kong! wrote: »

Statistically, I've had 6 women drivers almost cause me a crash this year. Not one male driver has done the same.

This is a fact based on my own experience.

Statisically, there have been two occasions where other drivers have been the cause of very serious, almost certainly fatal near-misses in my driving experience.

Both of them were male.

This is a fact, based on my experience.

I can do it too!

ps. If you've had six almost-crashes in a year, I think you should watch out for your levels of alertness and reaction time. Maybe pull back a bit from the car in front. It might be you

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Gauss · 30-09-2012 05:24PM

humbert wrote: »

Sir Pompous Righteousness wrote: »

This is a terribly sexist thread. Imagine a thread about women drivers - the hordes of militant feminists and Rebecca Watson supporters would be out in full force.

Girls, don't do that.

_rebelkid wrote: »

There was a thread about women drivers last year, but it was closed because of sexism........ Hypocracy abounds!

Sexism implies discrimination on the basis of gender. Discussing the fact that young males statistically cause more accidents isn't sexist because the conclusion is not based on gender but statistics.

The previous thread on the other hand was sexist because the negative comments were not based on facts/statistics but were based on gender stereotypes.

Cool, gonna start a "blacks do worse on IQ tests" thread. Lets see how long it lasts.

Stupid young male drivers: how can we stop them?

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