Dole threads, where do you draw the line ?

tempura · 28-09-2012 06:24PM #1

The amount of dole threads on boards in the last year is phenomenal. Most of the time they are of a derogatory nature, slamming anyone who is on a welfare payment as a no good layabout who couldn’t be bothered to find a job. I honestly thing the slander thrown at people who are already feeling vulnerable, depressed, frustrated and generally struggling to get by disgusting.

If you become extremely racist, homophobic, sexist on boards, warnings are thrown in, threads are locked, overall it is not usually tolerated, but this kind of abuse and name calling is! Why? A huge proportion of our society is this situation, yet they remain fair game for abuse.

It’s been said before, but the mental effects of being out of work and struggling are huge and I honesty find some peoples lack of compassion utterly sickening.
I hope it doesn’t continue.

hatrickpatrick · 28-09-2012 06:26PM

I regard them exactly as I regard public sector bashing threads. Bunch of eejits taking pot shots at entirely the wrong group while apparently reserving absolutely no venom for those in power who are perpetuating this unholy mess.

eth0 · 28-09-2012 06:27PM

I don't draw the line, I draw the dole instead

kneemos · 28-09-2012 06:27PM

Well said.

Cavehill Red · 28-09-2012 06:29PM

Spot on, lads. These threads (and the public sector ones) are just echo chambers of divide-and-conquer BS. It's like groundhog day seeing thread after thread parrotting the BS of those who are responsible for destroying the economy and who to date have entirely got away with it.
That's not to say we couldn't or shouldn't look at where we could save exchequer expenditure at all. But I'm sick, sore and tired of these endless lazy, intellectually idiotic threads condemning 'dolies', 'spongers', 'gravy train public sector' etc. They have little or no validity.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 28-09-2012 06:31PM

In before someone uses the phrase "liberal pinko bleeding-heart"...

Where To · 28-09-2012 06:33PM

How do you say 'everybody here is on the dole' in French?

Praetorian Saighdiuir · 28-09-2012 06:36PM

Where To wrote: »

How do you say 'everybody here is on the dole' in French?

Frenchy, frenchy, tout le monde a la ici ar on dole anois baguette.

0ph0rce0 · 28-09-2012 06:36PM

Thinly Veiled "I'm On The Dole Thread"

fox44 · 28-09-2012 06:38PM

the dole line has its wasters and no good layabouts but in general most are hard working, ordinary people who are left with no other choice because of the state this country is in. to take shots at these people and stereotype them is a weak sickening act that can only seem to be some sort of self validation to put down others less fortunate.

im on the dole. ive no shame but im not proud of it either. i need it to survive. i put all my time into a local charity and running a county team. a paying job is my greatest want. does that make me and thousands like me a sponging time waster? the obvious answer is no but in this arguement logic seems to carry no weight.

areyawell · 28-09-2012 06:40PM

I agree fully with OPs post but it sickens me when there's loungers who are on the dole 15 years and have no intention of getting a job or who do no take up the back to education allowance or do a course through springboard to help them get a job. There happy getting there 188 a week and there rent allowance and have no intention of getting work. I'm on the dole and know plenty of these people as everyone does. I recently lost my job and hate been on the dole, it is really depressing and certain people tarnish anyone that are on the dole as wasters and as burden to society. I hope they all get fired who created them threads and then they can see what it is really like.

hatrickpatrick · 28-09-2012 06:41PM

benwavner wrote: »

Frenchy, frenchy, tout le monde a la ici ar on dole anois baguette.

I'm no expert on French but I'm fairly sure the presence of the word "baguette" in this sentence can't possibly lead to anything good...

Where To · 28-09-2012 06:41PM

benwavner wrote: »

Where To wrote: »

How do you say 'everybody here is on the dole' in French?

Frenchy, frenchy, tout le monde a la ici ar on dole anois baguette.

Thanks. Who would have thought the French for dole is dole?

Chuck Stone · 28-09-2012 06:41PM

Work is for losers

chubchub · 28-09-2012 06:43PM

Whether or nor people what to accept it. There is definitely a culture of welfare entitlement in Ireland and a certain amount of people do claim dole without working. Mainly happens in two scenarios. Someone doesn't want to work. Or parent earning least decide it's more economical yo be on dole to get medical card and have no creche expenses. It's hard to blame to latter as they get to spend more time with children for more money. I do feel sorry for people like op who have a genuine work ethic and for people who feel depressed and upset over work but it doesn't take away that there is culture of layouts and lazy people too.

Praetorian Saighdiuir · 28-09-2012 06:47PM

Where To wrote: »

Thanks. Who would have thought the French for dole is dole?

Weird right?

There is meant to be a circumflex over the "E" but im computer illeterate so cant put it in.

I sympathise with anyone depending on the dole to live. I have never been on it myself but can only imagine how hard it is, especially with a family. Unfortunately, there are always the small number of non genuine people who have been on it years due to laziness.

Intensive Care Bear · 28-09-2012 06:49PM

I can see this turning into another dole bashing thread.

hatrickpatrick · 28-09-2012 06:53PM

chubchub wrote: »

Whether or nor people what to accept it. There is definitely a culture of welfare entitlement in Ireland and a certain amount of people do claim dole without working. Mainly happens in two scenarios. Someone doesn't want to work. Or parent earning least decide it's more economical yo be on dole to get medical card and have no creche expenses. It's hard to blame to latter as they get to spend more time with children for more money. I do feel sorry for people like op who have a genuine work ethic and for people who feel depressed and upset over work but it doesn't take away that there is culture of layouts and lazy people too.

You're forgetting another scenario in which it has cost us dearly, that is when investors choose to gamble on bonds in dodgy banks and then expect the government and us to pay for their stupidity.

Funny how that never seems to make it into dole bashing threads, despite it being far, far more insidious.

Pride Fighter · 28-09-2012 06:53PM

tempura wrote: »

The amount of dole threads on boards in the last year is phenomenal. Most of the time they are of a derogatory nature, slamming anyone who is on a welfare payment as a no good layabout who couldn’t be bothered to find a job. I honestly thing the slander thrown at people who are already feeling vulnerable, depressed, frustrated and generally struggling to get by disgusting.

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The bit in bold is the bit that pisses me off. About 450,000 people are unemployed, plus 100,000 Irish citizens who have left the country since 2008. Also University and 3rd level students are not counted as unemployed. That is about 750,000 people who dont have a job.

That makes it an extremely competitive job market and jobs are not easy to come by. People cannot just magic themselves off the dole and work.

say_who_now? · 28-09-2012 07:08PM

INCEPTION:

OP starts a dole thread in AH complaining about the number of dole threads in AH.

Well played OP.

chubchub · 28-09-2012 07:18PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

chubchub wrote: »

Whether or nor people what to accept it. There is definitely a culture of welfare entitlement in Ireland and a certain amount of people do claim dole without working. Mainly happens in two scenarios. Someone doesn't want to work. Or parent earning least decide it's more economical yo be on dole to get medical card and have no creche expenses. It's hard to blame to latter as they get to spend more time with children for more money. I do feel sorry for people like op who have a genuine work ethic and for people who feel depressed and upset over work but it doesn't take away that there is culture of layouts and lazy people too.

You're forgetting another scenario in which it has cost us dearly, that is when investors choose to gamble on bonds in dodgy banks and then expect the government and us to pay for their stupidity.

Funny how that never seems to make it into dole bashing threads, despite it being far, far more insidious.

Fair point but it doesn't change the point that there was plenty of people who were on welfare long before that and are the first now complaining of cuts when they have never worked. However any one that has come out of work since the cuts and are genuinely looking for work I know it's very harsh market for them.

kneemos · 28-09-2012 07:19PM

say_who_now? wrote: »

INCEPTION:

OP starts a dole thread in AH complaining about the number of dole threads in AH.

Well played OP.

It's an anti dole thread,thread.

Ristiano Conaldo · 28-09-2012 07:34PM

kneemos wrote: »

It's an anti dole thread,thread.

Well I don't like this thread so therefore I'm starting a anti anti dole thread thread.

K-9 · 28-09-2012 07:40PM

Find it odd myself, same with the Public Sector bashing, some people are so obsessed it has to be that ould begrudgery thing. Then you get the ones who are against one of those sections but pro another, makes no sense to me!

kneemos · 28-09-2012 07:45PM

Ristiano Conaldo wrote: »

Well I don't like this thread so therefore I'm starting a anti anti dole thread thread.

Might as well just start a dole thread then.

Intensive Care Bear · 28-09-2012 07:58PM

Maybe After Hours should have sticky's on the following topics

Dole threads.
Public sector workers
Tattoos.
Daily Mail stories.
Foreigners.
Irish hating.

pennypocket · 28-09-2012 08:14PM

chubchub wrote: »

Whether or nor people what to accept it. There is definitely a culture of welfare entitlement in Ireland and a certain amount of people do claim dole without working. Mainly happens in two scenarios. Someone doesn't want to work. Or parent earning least decide it's more economical yo be on dole to get medical card and have no creche expenses. It's hard to blame to latter as they get to spend more time with children for more money. I do feel sorry for people like op who have a genuine work ethic and for people who feel depressed and upset over work but it doesn't take away that there is culture of layouts and lazy people too.

There is no 'culture of welfare entitlement in Ireland'. Historically we had a record low of 3.70% unemployment in January of 2001 (considered to be full employment by the majority of economists), and our highest in the dark days of 1985 when that figure reached 17.30%. http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ireland/unemployment-rate

As ever, we are breeding our young to emigrate. "It is a bittersweet coincidence that today, the Central Statistics Office (CSO) publishes two reports – one is the population estimate for the State at April 2012 which claims that 87,100 people emigrated in the year to April, and the other is the livestock slaughterings report for August 2012. It seems that once again, our children are in fact being raised like livestock for export."
http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2012/09/27/240-of-us-are-emigrating-every-day-according-to-latest-population-estimate/

I just deleted the rest of my post. Too tired to argue the ****ing obvious and sick of ****ing reading these pathetic threads. Anticipating the day that the mass of Irish people realise their solidarity to one another above the divide and conquer rhetoric we are fed from above (and below, and in all directions). No pasarán

tempura · 28-09-2012 08:39PM

say_who_now? wrote: »

INCEPTION:

OP starts a dole thread in AH complaining about the number of dole threads in AH.

Well played OP.

Actually, if your read it correctly, the thread is not a complaint about the number of threads about the dole as such, it is more to do the with the overall attitude of people towards those on the dole and as as side note, the tolerance of the site towards the derogatory comments to these people.

zenno · 28-09-2012 08:43PM

Well the ESRI have done the math the other day and this will be a kick in the balls to the troika and IMF and this dumb-arse government, as they (IMF/Troika) were trying to pull numbers out of their arse-hole as usual to justify another social welfare cut. As the ESRI have found, is that the social welfare payments are in line with european countries so I hope all you dole-basher wasters leave it at that now and give the rest of us a fcuking break

say_who_now? · 28-09-2012 08:56PM

tempura wrote: »

say_who_now? wrote: »

INCEPTION:

OP starts a dole thread in AH complaining about the number of dole threads in AH.

Well played OP.

Actually, if your read it correctly, the thread is not a complaint about the number of threads about the dole as such, it is more to do the with the overall attitude of people towards those on the dole and as as side note, the tolerance of the site towards the derogatory comments to these people.

Then it should go in the Feedback forum if you wanted your observations to be taken seriously. I don't like the copious amount of religion threads that flood AH, but I'm not going to start a thread in AH about posters in AH disrespect for religion.

You know what to expect in AH, or at least you should know. If you still have a problem with threads or posts, use the report button. A better suggestion though would be to let it go over your head and not let it get to you. Don't let yourself take it personally, consider the source of the insult- anonymous posters on the internet that know SFA else about you.

Smidge · 28-09-2012 09:03PM

1210m5g wrote: »

Maybe After Hours should have sticky's on the following topics

Dole threads.
Public sector workers
Tattoos.
Daily Mail stories.
Foreigners.
Irish hating.

You forgot "Stuck up their own arse, Irish wimminz":pac:

Dole threads, where do you draw the line ?

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