Dole threads, where do you draw the line ?

tempura

The amount of dole threads on boards in the last year is phenomenal. Most of the time they are of a derogatory nature, slamming anyone who is on a welfare payment as a no good layabout who couldn’t be bothered to find a job. I honestly thing the slander thrown at people who are already feeling vulnerable, depressed, frustrated and generally struggling to get by disgusting.

If you become extremely racist, homophobic, sexist on boards, warnings are thrown in, threads are locked, overall it is not usually tolerated, but this kind of abuse and name calling is! Why? A huge proportion of our society is this situation, yet they remain fair game for abuse.

It’s been said before, but the mental effects of being out of work and struggling are huge and I honesty find some peoples lack of compassion utterly sickening.
I hope it doesn’t continue.

hatrickpatrick

I regard them exactly as I regard public sector bashing threads. Bunch of eejits taking pot shots at entirely the wrong group while apparently reserving absolutely no venom for those in power who are perpetuating this unholy mess.

eth0

I don't draw the line, I draw the dole instead

kneemos

Well said.

Cavehill Red

Spot on, lads. These threads (and the public sector ones) are just echo chambers of divide-and-conquer BS. It's like groundhog day seeing thread after thread parrotting the BS of those who are responsible for destroying the economy and who to date have entirely got away with it.
That's not to say we couldn't or shouldn't look at where we could save exchequer expenditure at all. But I'm sick, sore and tired of these endless lazy, intellectually idiotic threads condemning 'dolies', 'spongers', 'gravy train public sector' etc. They have little or no validity.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

In before someone uses the phrase "liberal pinko bleeding-heart"...

Where To

How do you say 'everybody here is on the dole' in French?

Praetorian Saighdiuir

Where To wrote: »

How do you say 'everybody here is on the dole' in French?

Frenchy, frenchy, tout le monde a la ici ar on dole anois baguette.

0ph0rce0

Thinly Veiled "I'm On The Dole Thread"

fox44

the dole line has its wasters and no good layabouts but in general most are hard working, ordinary people who are left with no other choice because of the state this country is in. to take shots at these people and stereotype them is a weak sickening act that can only seem to be some sort of self validation to put down others less fortunate.

im on the dole. ive no shame but im not proud of it either. i need it to survive. i put all my time into a local charity and running a county team. a paying job is my greatest want. does that make me and thousands like me a sponging time waster? the obvious answer is no but in this arguement logic seems to carry no weight.

areyawell

I agree fully with OPs post but it sickens me when there's loungers who are on the dole 15 years and have no intention of getting a job or who do no take up the back to education allowance or do a course through springboard to help them get a job. There happy getting there 188 a week and there rent allowance and have no intention of getting work. I'm on the dole and know plenty of these people as everyone does. I recently lost my job and hate been on the dole, it is really depressing and certain people tarnish anyone that are on the dole as wasters and as burden to society. I hope they all get fired who created them threads and then they can see what it is really like.

hatrickpatrick

benwavner wrote: »

Frenchy, frenchy, tout le monde a la ici ar on dole anois baguette.

I'm no expert on French but I'm fairly sure the presence of the word "baguette" in this sentence can't possibly lead to anything good...

Where To

benwavner wrote: »

Where To wrote: »

How do you say 'everybody here is on the dole' in French?

Frenchy, frenchy, tout le monde a la ici ar on dole anois baguette.

Thanks. Who would have thought the French for dole is dole?

Chuck Stone

Work is for losers

chubchub

Whether or nor people what to accept it. There is definitely a culture of welfare entitlement in Ireland and a certain amount of people do claim dole without working. Mainly happens in two scenarios. Someone doesn't want to work. Or parent earning least decide it's more economical yo be on dole to get medical card and have no creche expenses. It's hard to blame to latter as they get to spend more time with children for more money. I do feel sorry for people like op who have a genuine work ethic and for people who feel depressed and upset over work but it doesn't take away that there is culture of layouts and lazy people too.

Praetorian Saighdiuir

Where To wrote: »

Thanks. Who would have thought the French for dole is dole?

Weird right?

There is meant to be a circumflex over the "E" but im computer illeterate so cant put it in.

I sympathise with anyone depending on the dole to live. I have never been on it myself but can only imagine how hard it is, especially with a family. Unfortunately, there are always the small number of non genuine people who have been on it years due to laziness.

Intensive Care Bear

I can see this turning into another dole bashing thread.

hatrickpatrick

chubchub wrote: »

Whether or nor people what to accept it. There is definitely a culture of welfare entitlement in Ireland and a certain amount of people do claim dole without working. Mainly happens in two scenarios. Someone doesn't want to work. Or parent earning least decide it's more economical yo be on dole to get medical card and have no creche expenses. It's hard to blame to latter as they get to spend more time with children for more money. I do feel sorry for people like op who have a genuine work ethic and for people who feel depressed and upset over work but it doesn't take away that there is culture of layouts and lazy people too.

You're forgetting another scenario in which it has cost us dearly, that is when investors choose to gamble on bonds in dodgy banks and then expect the government and us to pay for their stupidity.

Funny how that never seems to make it into dole bashing threads, despite it being far, far more insidious.

Pride Fighter

tempura wrote: »

The amount of dole threads on boards in the last year is phenomenal. Most of the time they are of a derogatory nature, slamming anyone who is on a welfare payment as a no good layabout who couldn’t be bothered to find a job. I honestly thing the slander thrown at people who are already feeling vulnerable, depressed, frustrated and generally struggling to get by disgusting.

.

The bit in bold is the bit that pisses me off. About 450,000 people are unemployed, plus 100,000 Irish citizens who have left the country since 2008. Also University and 3rd level students are not counted as unemployed. That is about 750,000 people who dont have a job.

That makes it an extremely competitive job market and jobs are not easy to come by. People cannot just magic themselves off the dole and work.

say_who_now?

INCEPTION:

OP starts a dole thread in AH complaining about the number of dole threads in AH.

Well played OP.

chubchub

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

chubchub wrote: »

Whether or nor people what to accept it. There is definitely a culture of welfare entitlement in Ireland and a certain amount of people do claim dole without working. Mainly happens in two scenarios. Someone doesn't want to work. Or parent earning least decide it's more economical yo be on dole to get medical card and have no creche expenses. It's hard to blame to latter as they get to spend more time with children for more money. I do feel sorry for people like op who have a genuine work ethic and for people who feel depressed and upset over work but it doesn't take away that there is culture of layouts and lazy people too.

You're forgetting another scenario in which it has cost us dearly, that is when investors choose to gamble on bonds in dodgy banks and then expect the government and us to pay for their stupidity.

Funny how that never seems to make it into dole bashing threads, despite it being far, far more insidious.

Fair point but it doesn't change the point that there was plenty of people who were on welfare long before that and are the first now complaining of cuts when they have never worked. However any one that has come out of work since the cuts and are genuinely looking for work I know it's very harsh market for them.

kneemos

say_who_now? wrote: »

INCEPTION:

OP starts a dole thread in AH complaining about the number of dole threads in AH.

Well played OP.

It's an anti dole thread,thread.

Ristiano Conaldo

kneemos wrote: »

It's an anti dole thread,thread.

Well I don't like this thread so therefore I'm starting a anti anti dole thread thread.

K-9

Find it odd myself, same with the Public Sector bashing, some people are so obsessed it has to be that ould begrudgery thing. Then you get the ones who are against one of those sections but pro another, makes no sense to me!

kneemos

Ristiano Conaldo wrote: »

Well I don't like this thread so therefore I'm starting a anti anti dole thread thread.

Might as well just start a dole thread then.

Intensive Care Bear

Maybe After Hours should have sticky's on the following topics

Dole threads.
Public sector workers
Tattoos.
Daily Mail stories.
Foreigners.
Irish hating.

pennypocket

chubchub wrote: »

Whether or nor people what to accept it. There is definitely a culture of welfare entitlement in Ireland and a certain amount of people do claim dole without working. Mainly happens in two scenarios. Someone doesn't want to work. Or parent earning least decide it's more economical yo be on dole to get medical card and have no creche expenses. It's hard to blame to latter as they get to spend more time with children for more money. I do feel sorry for people like op who have a genuine work ethic and for people who feel depressed and upset over work but it doesn't take away that there is culture of layouts and lazy people too.

There is no 'culture of welfare entitlement in Ireland'. Historically we had a record low of 3.70% unemployment in January of 2001 (considered to be full employment by the majority of economists), and our highest in the dark days of 1985 when that figure reached 17.30%. http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ireland/unemployment-rate

As ever, we are breeding our young to emigrate. "It is a bittersweet coincidence that today, the Central Statistics Office (CSO) publishes two reports – one is the population estimate for the State at April 2012 which claims that 87,100 people emigrated in the year to April, and the other is the livestock slaughterings report for August 2012. It seems that once again, our children are in fact being raised like livestock for export."
http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2012/09/27/240-of-us-are-emigrating-every-day-according-to-latest-population-estimate/

I just deleted the rest of my post. Too tired to argue the ****ing obvious and sick of ****ing reading these pathetic threads. Anticipating the day that the mass of Irish people realise their solidarity to one another above the divide and conquer rhetoric we are fed from above (and below, and in all directions). No pasarán

tempura

say_who_now? wrote: »

INCEPTION:

OP starts a dole thread in AH complaining about the number of dole threads in AH.

Well played OP.

Actually, if your read it correctly, the thread is not a complaint about the number of threads about the dole as such, it is more to do the with the overall attitude of people towards those on the dole and as as side note, the tolerance of the site towards the derogatory comments to these people.

zenno

Well the ESRI have done the math the other day and this will be a kick in the balls to the troika and IMF and this dumb-arse government, as they (IMF/Troika) were trying to pull numbers out of their arse-hole as usual to justify another social welfare cut. As the ESRI have found, is that the social welfare payments are in line with european countries so I hope all you dole-basher wasters leave it at that now and give the rest of us a fcuking break

say_who_now?

tempura wrote: »

say_who_now? wrote: »

INCEPTION:

OP starts a dole thread in AH complaining about the number of dole threads in AH.

Well played OP.

Actually, if your read it correctly, the thread is not a complaint about the number of threads about the dole as such, it is more to do the with the overall attitude of people towards those on the dole and as as side note, the tolerance of the site towards the derogatory comments to these people.

Then it should go in the Feedback forum if you wanted your observations to be taken seriously. I don't like the copious amount of religion threads that flood AH, but I'm not going to start a thread in AH about posters in AH disrespect for religion.

You know what to expect in AH, or at least you should know. If you still have a problem with threads or posts, use the report button. A better suggestion though would be to let it go over your head and not let it get to you. Don't let yourself take it personally, consider the source of the insult- anonymous posters on the internet that know SFA else about you.

Smidge

1210m5g wrote: »

Maybe After Hours should have sticky's on the following topics

Dole threads.
Public sector workers
Tattoos.
Daily Mail stories.
Foreigners.
Irish hating.

You forgot "Stuck up their own arse, Irish wimminz":pac:

tempura

say_who_now? wrote: »

Then it should go in the Feedback forum if you wanted your observations to be taken seriously. I don't like the copious amount of religion threads that flood AH, but I'm not going to start a thread in AH about posters in AH disrespect for religion.

You know what to expect in AH, or at least you should know. If you still have a problem with threads or posts, use the report button. A better suggestion though would be to let it go over your head and not let it get to you. Don't let yourself take it personally, consider the source of the insult- anonymous posters on the internet that know SFA else about you.

Relax there !

My op is just an observation on the subject, I don't know how you have interpreted that I am taking it personally. In fact, if I was at all bothered about peoples views on me personally, this is the last place I would come for opinions on it. Im more then aware of the nature of After Hours, but thank you for you advice as to where I would be better posting in the future.

kneemos

say_who_now? wrote: »

Then it should go in the Feedback forum if you wanted your observations to be taken seriously. I don't like the copious amount of religion threads that flood AH, but I'm not going to start a thread in AH about posters in AH disrespect for religion.

You know what to expect in AH, or at least you should know. If you still have a problem with threads or posts, use the report button. A better suggestion though would be to let it go over your head and not let it get to you. Don't let yourself take it personally, consider the source of the insult- anonymous posters on the internet that know SFA else about you.

Take your own advice.

KingMonkey

I reckon if the dole was 20E a week we would still have people complaining about it being far too much....

As far as i am aware anyone on the dole spends the majority of it on things that are taxed by the government like utilities,bills,cigarettes,alcohol ect which means they are putting what they get back into the economy....

In this current climate when the unemployment rates are so high and there is no emphasis from the government for job creation/recovery i really cannot believe that those who are in a job have a chip on their shoulder and say that the amount of money people on the dole get is far too much....

anyone who is asked what it is like will give you the same answer,they don't want to be on the dole,they would rather be in work...

amazing trolling.people begrudging people of a life when things are bad,trying to make them feel guilty/shameful for the pittance that they get and the way things are when it is not their fault...

but thats just my opinion....

Snowie

Dole bashers are morons they tend tho think that any one on the dole is a complete waster who has no interest in working... Cans splits call of duty, siting around doing nothing all day other then breading and being the bane on their taxs...


How ever, people on the dole spend there money on taxs if you take into account a person over all pay on living expenses electricity and heating.... Well they pay tax just like you.... The only logical reason to bash people on the dole is because they have to work and dole people want to work majority of them do...

How ever unless you've got adequate experience/degree its really difficult to find work. At the moment.. The other thing is the lack of slef esteam you begin to get when your not working the lack of satisfaction in your life in unreal when i was unemployed I was cleaning all the time not to have something to do but just the satisfaction of maintain my small space as some where nice to live... Think its a bit unfair to mock people because of circumstances that they cant control...

previous user

plenty of jobs in McDonalds :rolleyes:

Snowie

previous user wrote: »

plenty of jobs in McDonalds :rolleyes:

Not if theres a mc donalds near you there aint...

any way i have a job :cool:

kneemos

previous user wrote: »

plenty of jobs in McDonalds :rolleyes:

450,000

KKkitty

My partner and I are currently in receipt of social welfare benefits. Even if one of us was to get a job in the morning we'd actually be worse off. There's no work available for either of us at all and life is lived one day at a time. We don't have a social life anymore and have missed so many family get togethers because of lack of money. We shop locally almost all the time. With 2 kids it's so hard trying to have nice things for them. We'd love to treat them more but we can't. Life on the dole isn't as idyllic as dole bashers would like to believe.

Snowie

kneemos wrote: »

450,000

well yeah ya have to glue the sesame seeds on to the buns... :pac:

Carter P Fly

I still find it incredible that prople like the OP still dont get the fact that Dole bashing threads are aimed at The WON'T work and not at the CAN'T work.

Everybody, absolutly everybody, has sympathy for those that have lost their jobs but that will never change the fact that there a feckload of folk who are wont-workers out there.

So, In conclusion, if you are a Can't work, you needn't lump yourself into the dole scrounger category cos no-one else is.

hatrickpatrick

chubchub wrote: »

Fair point but it doesn't change the point that there was plenty of people who were on welfare long before that and are the first now complaining of cuts when they have never worked. However any one that has come out of work since the cuts and are genuinely looking for work I know it's very harsh market for them.

They're by far the lesser of two evils though when compared with those who deliberately destroyed our financial sector and walked away with OUR money to repay THEIR debts.

To be honest until I see every last one of them being chased down, I couldn't gaf about welfare recipients. It's one thing to give money to people who actually aren't that well off. The idea of millionaires and massive financial corporations reaching into my pocket to pay for their f*ck ups just makes my blood boil. They should have been hung out to dry like so many of their victims were when they called the shots.

token101

Dole threads? I mean I don't have any problem with someone turning up to the dole not dressed to the nines or even in a tracksuit. But I draw the line at pyjamas or, as I as one saw one of my friends call to me one day after signing on, a Pennys t shirt featuring Grandad with the slogan 'Are you alright son?'.

Smidge

token101 wrote: »

Dole threads? I mean I don't have any problem with someone turning up to the dole not dressed to the nines or even in a tracksuit. But I draw the line at pyjamas or, as I as one saw one of my friends call to me one day after signing on, a Pennys t shirt featuring Grandad with the slogan 'Are you alright son?'.

I don't get this bit:o

tempura

Smidge wrote: »

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I don't get this bit:o

Threads ( Dublin slang for clothes ) so, poster is taking the view point of " what is your opinion of what people going to collect their dole payment are wearing ". The fact that I had to explain it, makes it even less funny then it already was !

say_who_now?

tempura wrote: »

Relax there !

My op is just an observation on the subject, I don't know how you have interpreted that I am taking it personally. In fact, if I was at all bothered about peoples views on me personally, this is the last place I would come for opinions on it. Im more then aware of the nature of After Hours, but thank you for you advice as to where I would be better posting in the future.

Ah I didn't mean to come across as though I was being uptight tempura, I misunderstood the intention of the OP is all, I thought you had actually taken it personally is all, and that was my attempt at "You'll get a better hearing in Feedback"...

kneemos wrote: »

Take your own advice.

I have done. That's why I have no threads in Feedback myself

Smidge

tempura wrote: »

Threads ( Dublin slang for clothes ) so, poster is taking the view point of " what is your opinion of what people going to collect their dole payment are wearing ". The fact that I had to explain it, makes it even less funny then it already was !

Eh I got that bit:D
I was asking about the grandad bit??
Have I missed out a new fashion statement or indeed a new cultural reference, Are you alright Son?

Pottler

Draw.Dole.Line. Droll. If you're not on it, why'd you care? If you are on it, whatever, some need it and good luck, some draw it because it's easy money, again, whatever. Personally, I'd rather someone was larging it up in Lanzarotte on my tax dollar rather than them pouring it into some anonymous corporate black hole. At least someones enjoying Lanzarotte. Glad to help.:) The muppets in the Dail will p1ss it away one way or the other anyway. At least with the Dole, normal people benefit - see what I did there, benefit, geddit.:D Ok. I tried.

tempura

Smidge wrote: »

Eh I got that bit:D
I was asking about the grandad bit??
Have I missed out a new fashion statement or indeed a new cultural reference, Are you alright Son?

Oh right, No idea myself to be honest !

Smidge

tempura wrote: »

Oh right, No idea myself to be honest !

Damn, now I'm gonna have to ask "people" about it or else the not knowing will wreck my head:pac:

books4sale

I was on the dole once.

Some guy laughed.:mad:

I kicked his head in.:D