Anti-austerity violence Spain Tonight

golden lane · 26-09-2012 09:48AM

there is no money........it has been spent....

the government has to borrow money to run the country, it has to pay that money back....

to protest, there has to be something to protest about......

what are they protesting about....have the protesters come up with a way to solve the problem.....??????

if not......what is the point....

carlop · 26-09-2012 09:51AM

There is nothing that can really be called a riot in the OP. Spain is not Greece, not yet anyhow.

seamus · 26-09-2012 09:53AM

Look at those coward scumbags.

"Yeah, that police officer is on the ground, let's show how angry I am by kicking him and pushing him and then running away".

These aren't anti-austerity riots, just plain old morons looking to cause trouble.

We'd see the same thing here, just dirty scumbags out to cause hassle, pretending to be "protesting".

BBDBB · 26-09-2012 09:59AM

Surely a simple

"ah eh, leave ii ouuu"

would have calmed them all down?

CruelCoin · 26-09-2012 11:14AM

BBDBB wrote: »

Surely a simple

"ah heyor, leave ii ouuu"

would have calmed them all down?

FYP

steddyeddy · 26-09-2012 11:17AM

yore wrote: »

ilovesleep wrote: »

We're such an educated bunch, is Irish are. Sure what will rioting do? Sersiously? Instead we'll sit back, begrudge each other, let the politicians reach into our back pockets and let them steal from the handicaps and the blind. The fcukers are only pretending anyways to be handicapped and blind. Your one in the wheelchair probably lied to get a free parking permit and that wheelchair was given to her free from the social. And as for the blindman, ah sure my little terrior can do the same as his dog. He's not even blind. He's just using his stick to beat his dog. And while we're snapping at each other - the high kings will be continued to be rewarded with their celtic tiger pay, perks and pensions and allowances. And we won't even say boo to them.

Fair play them to those in spain.

Yeah. We should try your version of mathematics where the government stop taking anything from your back pocket and simultaneously increase the money they give to handicaps and the blind... That should work.....

If you want those handicaps and blind to get good services then you had better be prepared to pay for it. simple as that. The problem is that you don't want to pay for it but then want to moan at the consequences. Your attitude will turn this country into America. That is not a nice society to live in

Name a country that got out of recession by cutting more every year and reducing peoples disposable income?

CruelCoin · 26-09-2012 11:32AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Name a country that got out of recession by cutting more every year and reducing peoples disposable income?

Name a country that managed to close the public spending gap by continuing to overspend?

steddyeddy · 26-09-2012 11:35AM

CruelCoin wrote: »

steddyeddy wrote: »

Name a country that got out of recession by cutting more every year and reducing peoples disposable income?

Name a country that managed to close the public spending gap by continuing to overspend?

There are more options than "overspend" and "cutting back" available to a country. Its not black and white.

Sergeant · 26-09-2012 12:00PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

There are more options than "overspend" and "cutting back" available to a country. Its not black and white.

If you don't curtail the spending to match the incomings, then what do you do?

brummytom · 26-09-2012 12:06PM

Faith+1 wrote: »

Fair balls to them, at least they do something and not take it up the ass like the Irish.

And the English. We're being arse-raped by the elite and everyone seems perfectly happy to accept it. It's a shame both the British and Irish can't be more like the 'Europeans'.

Faith+1 · 26-09-2012 12:18PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Yep. Nothing helps a country struggling to pay its way get back on its feet better than wrecking the place.

They're giving the Council plenty of overtime, So it's a win win for everybody.

notnumber · 26-09-2012 12:18PM

Doubt they would be so upset if they had social welfare levels like us,

Merch · 26-09-2012 12:26PM

CruelCoin wrote: »

Name a country that managed to close the public spending gap by continuing to overspend?

especially when a country took on a private debt, i really wonder what was said in those smokey back rooms?

look take this on or we provide no funds and save your own arse
or
dont take this on and take your chances with your future mob?

CruelCoin · 26-09-2012 12:30PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

There are more options than "overspend" and "cutting back" available to a country. Its not black and white.

Not really.

You have bills of 20 quid and 10 quid with which to pay them; you have 3 options:

1: Cut back your outgoings to 10 quid to suit your income.
2: Arrange a loan to finance the 10 quid extra, so instead of 10 quid paid by you, your kids will pay 15 quid.
3: Avoid paying altogether, ah sure the people offering the 20 are bastards and unsecured.

The only logical step here is choice # 1. All others are irresponsible and putting your problems on the long finger.

CruelCoin · 26-09-2012 12:32PM

Faith+1 wrote: »

They're giving the Council plenty of overtime, So it's a win win for everybody.

Huzzah, overtime rate paid for menial work that could've been done for minimum wage! I'm so happy we have your value for money option!

Guy:Incognito · 26-09-2012 12:35PM

Faith+1 wrote: »

They're giving the Council plenty of overtime, So it's a win win for everybody.

and where does the money come from to pay them? borrowing and paying interest?

CruelCoin · 26-09-2012 12:38PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

and where does the money come from to pay them? borrowing and paying interest?

The bankers getting fired and the politicians getting hung from the nearest tree would free up the money for that. Or so i'm told. So many people saying so, it must be true.

CruelCoin · 26-09-2012 12:40PM

Back on topic though,

They should switch the rubber bullets for bean-bags.

These are fired by shotgun, and the bang given off by one shotgun is more intimidating than that given off by 5 rifles with rubber bullets.

Plus its less lethal. Win-Win.

Wicklowrider · 26-09-2012 12:50PM

Ordinary People are not simply attempting to opt out of paying bills or debts.

People are getting angrier that they are being forced to pay ALL debts, even those debts that were specifically incurred by a small section of our society.

They are especially growing angry that this is at the expense of the less well off.

Micky the Minister's health care is not affected, his child's class number aren't rising and his elderly parents are still well cared for. If his college going teenager doesn't get a part time job, Daddy will sub - so wheres the harm in austerity for him?

Some posters are happy to commit to repay debts incurred by a minority. That is their privilege, given that we live in a democracy. They shouldn't be surprised that the majority of people aren't comfortable with doing so.

MrPoker · 26-09-2012 12:57PM

notnumber wrote: »

Doubt they would be so upset if they had social welfare levels like us,

This.

Also young people here tend to emigrate fairly quickly if they cant find a job instead of hanging around which is a contributing factor to the lack of protests here.

I still think for most people still in Ireland they are living fairly comfortably and our personal situations are not as dire as the Greeks or the Spanish however every year the gap is tightening with tougher budgets and currently rising fuel costs. There is undoubtedly plenty of people struggling and we hear these stories but not enough people to kick-start any major protesting sooner rather than later hopefully.

At the moment though it is evident that vital services are starting to really struggle under the weight of constant cuts i.e Garda, hospitals etc. which only adds to simmering frustration of ordinary people. If things keep going in same direction there will be major protests.

hatrickpatrick · 26-09-2012 01:00PM

yore wrote: »

Take what lying down? Those evil discriminatory laws that forbid them from working? Or the fact that society at large might not be able to continue to subsidise them to have the same standard of living as they are accustomed to.

It's bullsh1t. Those Spanish, and 99.99% of Irish people have opportunities and comforts that most of the worlds population could only ever dream about.

Spoilt children. Simple as that.

If you don't want to "take it lying down" then get up off your arse and do something productive. Quit moaning about it and blaming everyone else for all your own personal failings.

Not a mention of the fact that money is being taken out of EVERYONE'S pockets to repay private gambling debts, and corrupt former politicians, and special advisors, and NAMA directors and God knows who else.

Sickening.

CruelCoin · 26-09-2012 01:44PM

Wicklowrider wrote: »

debts incurred by a minority.

The vast majority of the debts are as a result of the reckless borrowing on the part of every tom dick and harry, in asking for a 110% mortgage they could only ever repay if times were only ever sunny.

The economy slowed, they reneged on their mortgages, and the rest is history.

It's extremely unfair to pin all the blame on the politicians/bankers as they are just running around putting out fires created by reckless borrowing.

dsmythy · 26-09-2012 02:06PM

Another blow to Spain's image as a place to invest.

fando · 26-09-2012 02:09PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Not a mention of the fact that money is being taken out of EVERYONE'S pockets to repay private gambling debts, and corrupt former politicians, and special advisors, and NAMA directors and God knows who else.

Sickening.

CruelCoin wrote: »

The vast majority of the debts are as a result of the reckless borrowing on the part of every tom dick and harry, in asking for a 110% mortgage they could only ever repay if times were only ever sunny.

The economy slowed, they reneged on their mortgages, and the rest is history.

It's extremely unfair to pin all the blame on the politicians/bankers as they are just running around putting out fires created by reckless borrowing.

In other words: all those proles should be happy that they were given the opportunity to drive their BMW/wear their 100€ stone-washed jeans for a while. If they didn't see the system was flawed back then - they shouldn't protest now.

yore · 26-09-2012 02:16PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Not a mention of the fact that money is being taken out of EVERYONE'S pockets to repay private gambling debts, and corrupt former politicians, and special advisors, and NAMA directors and God knows who else.

Sickening.

Why do people still insist on repeating this disingenuous and emotive rhetorical mantra?

What's your issue with NAMA directors ffs? What so you suggest - firing the current directors and advertising the posts as minimum wage. Penny-wise and pound foolish.

I'll tell you how you can save a few bob Hatrickpatrick, the next time you need to go to the dentist or doctor, come to me instead. I'll only charge you for my work at the minimum wage rate. That'll be a good deal, right?
(I have zero medical training or study btw)

Piliger · 26-09-2012 02:26PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Yep. Nothing helps a country struggling to pay its way get back on its feet better than wrecking the place.

To be honest it's hard to see how they can wreck it more than it already is. A country of lazy good for nothings who sucked up billions from the EU and spent it on retiring at 45, paying no taxes and making work an optional extra.

Ireland can be deeply proud that we faced up to our own mess and didn't flinch from realising that only we can fix it. We won't have riots because the vast majority of Irish people know what we are doing is the right thing and Kenny is doing a damned fine job of it.

CruelCoin · 26-09-2012 03:03PM

fando wrote: »

In other words: all those proles should be happy that they were given the opportunity to drive their BMW/wear their 100€ stone-washed jeans for a while. If they didn't see the system was flawed back then - they shouldn't protest now.

Pretty much.

Its not the banks/politicians responsibility to protect you from your own stupidity.

Its amazing how people bet everything on red and they bitch and moan when the ball lands on black. Who made you bet in the first place?

nice_very · 26-09-2012 04:28PM

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The above pic shows masked men starting the rioting against the riot police, and later on helping the same police to arrest other rioters.

In other words.. the rioting was started by undercover police, more than likely as an excuse to start beating back the thousands of protesters

Mach Lei · 26-09-2012 04:41PM

Piliger;80957836]To be honest it's hard to see how they can wreck it more than it already is. A country of lazy good for nothings who sucked up billions from the EU and spent it on retiring at 45, paying no taxes and making work an optional extra.

Ireland can be deeply proud that we faced up to our own mess and didn't flinch from realising that only we can fix it. We won't have riots because the vast majority of Irish people know what we are doing is the right thing and Kenny is doing a damned fine job of it.

Kenny doing a fine job? some joke all the broken promises that have being made,the promised deal on the bank debt if we voted yes which seems to falling through, you don,t think there will be riots? with more harsh budgets to come its inevitable a point will come where people can take and will not take anymore then they will start to fight back.

Unlimited Bacon · 26-09-2012 04:44PM

RELEASE THE BULLS!

Anti-austerity violence Spain Tonight

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