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Hungerford · 25-09-2012 07:13PM

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Ditto at the Belfast end, priority is needed for all services.

Priority is given at the Belfast end already. Although Translink generally allow a local Portadown train to depart Central before the Enterprise, it runs via Great Victoria Street and stays in that station until the Enterprise has passed.

end of the road · 25-09-2012 08:51PM

Hungerford wrote: »

it runs via Great Victoria Street and stays in that station until the Enterprise has passed.

i thought all trains had to go via Great Victoria Street? i take it theirs another way they can go?

25-09-2012 09:01PM

end of the road wrote: »

i thought all trains had to go via Great Victoria Street? i take it theirs another way they can go?

There's a triangle junction outside Great Victoria Street that allows trains to bypass it. It also allows train sets to be turned the opposite direction if need be.

Losty Dublin · 26-09-2012 12:54PM

Hungerford wrote: »

Priority is given at the Belfast end already. Although Translink generally allow a local Portadown train to depart Central before the Enterprise, it runs via Great Victoria Street and stays in that station until the Enterprise has passed.

True, they do. At the same time they have a little less local traffic to work around plus a network that allows a little flexibility. A late passing Enterprise clogs up a lot of local trains on Dublin same corridor and it shows.

end of the road · 26-09-2012 01:09PM

so the enterprise stops at great victoria street as well hense why its given priority? or even with the triangle junction allowing trains to bypass it local trains can't leave until it has past?

Losty Dublin · 26-09-2012 01:33PM

end of the road wrote: »

so the enterprise stops at great victoria street as well hense why its given priority? or even with the triangle junction allowing trains to bypass it local trains can't leave until it has past?

No; Dublin trains terminate at Central. The local trains serve GVS.

Iolaire · 26-09-2012 03:10PM

@ End of the Road

In case you aren't familiar with the GVS layout, look at this map https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=54.587955,-5.94326&spn=0.015816,0.027809&t=k&z=15&source=gplus-ogsb and you can see the triangle to the south west of the station. Central is just off the map on the line to the right.

Local trains leaving Central, call at GVS which effectively leaves the mainline clear and Enterprise services then use this to head south. You are correct in stating that any local soutbound services are then stuck in GVS (or at least until the junction with the mainline) until Enterprise clears the block.

Hungerford · 26-09-2012 05:37PM

Iolaire wrote: »

Local trains leaving Central, call at GVS which effectively leaves the mainline clear and Enterprise services then use this to head south. You are correct in stating that any local soutbound services are then stuck in GVS (or at least until the junction with the mainline) until Enterprise clears the block.

The delay isn't that significant though as the approach to GVS is quite slow and the driver has to change ends to get the train back out of the station. So an Enterprise which was running behind a local train as it entered GVS would be miles clear before the local train got out of GVS.

end of the road · 26-09-2012 09:06PM

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Dublin trains terminate at Central

ah yeah i know that much all right.

dowlingm · 27-09-2012 02:19PM

Isn't there talk of returning Enterprise to GVS?

Losty Dublin · 27-09-2012 02:27PM

dowlingm wrote: »

Isn't there talk of returning Enterprise to GVS?

Unlikely as the platforms weren't suitable for the longer sets after the parish pumps got working.

Hungerford · 27-09-2012 06:15PM

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Unlikely as the platforms weren't suitable for the longer sets after the parish pumps got working.

The Enterprise can use GVS as is and has done so on occasion.

Anyway, NIR's ultimate plan is for the new Enterprise terminus to be GVS but this is apparently dependent on a remodelling of the station involving the building of a fifth platform and the reinstatement of the old third line between GVS and Adelaide. I presume that they would also have to enlarge the station as its too small to handle the traffic as is.

Losty Dublin · 27-09-2012 10:23PM

Hungerford wrote: »

The Enterprise can use GVS as is and has done so on occasion.

No they can't as it's not set up to properly service the longer sets.

27-09-2012 10:26PM

Losty Dublin wrote: »

No they can't as it's not set up to properly service the longer sets.

I remember the odd time that an Enterprise set entered Connolly backwards after going via GVS; they had to turn the HEP off rather quickly as the 201 was under the roof.

Captain Chaos · 28-09-2012 02:22PM

Losty Dublin wrote: »

No they can't as it's not set up to properly service the longer sets.

It has happened quite a few times over the past year or so due to security alerts and the sets end up facing the wrong way.

Losty Dublin · 28-09-2012 06:15PM

Captain Chaos wrote: »

It has happened quite a few times over the past year or so due to security alerts and the sets end up facing the wrong way.

What's happening is is that the service lines for water, fuel etc are not set up in GVS as it was intended to be the terminal station and was duly fitted to work but for shorter sets as envisaged when tendered for. When the sets were ordered to be lengthened by politicians and the protests of IE and NIR were dismissed, the inevitable happened when a trial run was made into GVS and a full train wasn't able to be serviced safely. The work around is that a train can be turned on the triangle to service the full train; however there generally isn't time to reverse it and it is sent to Dublin wrong way and turned round again at Belfast when possible. It's very rare if ever these days that a set is sent into GVS for this reason but if they must they can use GVS albeit with this complication.

comradestalin · 30-09-2012 06:33PM

When I lived in Dublin 1999-2000 the Enterprise was diverted to GVS for three months over the summer while Central-Central Junction was relaid. Something may have changed since then but there were no obvious problems terminating the Enterprise there.

(as I recall the trainsets had to be slowly moved from GVS up through Crumlin and Antrim and back over Bleach Green to York Road whenever heavy maintenance was required ..)

I have to laugh at Translink's big plan to make GVS the main hub. It is of course the right decision, but it was also the right decision ten years ago when Translink instead chose to spend many millions gutting and refurbishing Central. Apparently, it was more important to be able to park buses on the site in the city centre than operate it as a railway terminus.

Jamie2k9 · 01-10-2012 10:46PM

230 operated 12.35 Belfast-Connolly today, no EGV.

steamengine · 02-10-2012 05:16PM

231 on the 13.20 departure Enterprise from Connolly earlier today + EGV , passing Killester.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGjov6HirPA

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comradestalin · 02-10-2012 11:19PM

The 13:20 ex Connolly arrived in Belfast almost 20 minutes late. It seemed to crawl the whole way from Newry onwards.

Captain Chaos · 04-10-2012 10:55AM

208 is on the EGV set today.

Has 209 worked on a normal Enterprise set or has it gone back to Cork runs?

Losty Dublin · 04-10-2012 11:27AM

Captain Chaos wrote: »

208 is on the EGV set today.

Has 209 worked on a normal Enterprise set or has it gone back to Cork runs?

I though I saw on IRN that it returned some weeks ago.

Jamie2k9 · 04-10-2012 04:23PM

209 operates more freight than Cork services from people's recording of where it is. 209 could be on stand by for Belfast services. What the number of the spare one at Connolly? Its not in the Mark4 colours so it could be 209, couldn't make out the number yeserday.

Oscar Bravo · 05-10-2012 03:57PM

224 worked todays Ballina Northwall IWT liner. 229 worked the Northwall Ballina liner.

steamengine · 18-10-2012 06:34PM

Passed through Connolly on the DART this morning, 231 was on the far side of the shed and 227 was about to depart with the 11.00 Enterprise c/w Generator van. My camera is kaput, so no photos !!!

Captain Chaos · 18-10-2012 10:38PM

steamengine wrote: »

Passed through Connolly on the DART this morning, 231 was on the far side of the shed and 227 was about to depart with the 11.00 Enterprise c/w Generator van. My camera is kaput, so no photos !!!

230 was on the other EGV set. Flew through Clontarf Road this afternoon. Amazing the difference in noise when not in HEP mode, one can almost make out the EMD signature rumble from the 071s, it was still belting out fumes though.

steamengine · 21-10-2012 05:35PM

231 through HJ at lunchtime today c/w Gen van.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpbt9n42QUM

Jamie2k9 · 24-10-2012 02:41PM

209 transfered from Connoly to Heuston and was at the top of platform 10 waiting for clearance to head to Inchicore.

221 was operating the 10.00 to Cork.

gobnaitolunacy · 24-10-2012 07:44PM

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Here's one I did earlier!

steamengine · 24-10-2012 07:58PM

Wow ! That's a beautiful painting - thanks again !!!

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