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If rejoining the UK meant jobs and an end to austerity, would you?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    I'm genuinely surprised. I thought the poll would be more like 90/10 to the tiochaigh ar la types.

    Odd, because in your similarily themed thread elsewhere you were saying
    there is a growing dissatisfaction with and rejection of Nationalist/Republican based ideas
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80928410&postcount=1

    I suppose that didn't get the reaction you wanted....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭haulagebasher


    NO! I rather die on me feet than live on my knees.....800 years...de Brits...rabble rabble
    doolox wrote: »
    I have a substantial link to the UK in that two of my uncles are English nationals who married Irish women, my aunts on my mothers side. My mother and father got jobs over there in the late 40's when there was nothing here in Ireland if you didn't get the land, join the church or know someone with influence to get a state job.

    My mother did her nurse training in England and still has a passion for her vocation, she always saw nursing as more than just a job for money and thoroughly enjoyed her 12 years there.

    My father, after several years selling insurance, working in hardware retail etc in Ireland, got a job in a Dairy in Manchester and was involved several years later in milk deliveries around Galway City when bottled milk was introduced to Galway in the mid to late 50's. He used his knowledge and skills gained in England for the next 30 yrs to earn a good living.

    Most people I knew as a child got their start in a job in England and brought their expertise home to Ireland to make a good living. It seemed to me that those who never left and had no family or property advantages were never able to rise above subsistance. Same applied to those with US or other foreign experience but the vast majority of returnees were from England.

    In terms of economics, personal development and getting ahead in a material way having closer ties with England would be advantageous but would cause a lot of anger among those of an extreme republican leaning who hate England for the historical legacy of the tragic relationship between these two Islands

    It should be possible to embrace and endorse our Anglophone traditions by closer ties to the US the UK and other commonwealth countries but there seems to be a denial of the existence and importance of English culture and language in the everyday experience of Irish people and an attempt to force the issue of regaelicization of the general populace through compulsion and exclusion of monoglot anglophones from many important sources of employment, teaching for example.

    Many distinguishing features and customs that differentiated the Irish and the English in that past no longer apply.

    Well said. In particular the attempted forceful regaelicization of Ireland is just as bad if not worse than the degaelecisation of times past due to the latter taking place in modern and enlightened times. The former took place in the 17 &18th centuries when such things were order of the day everywhere in the world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    hmmm be part of incompetent small republic with financial difficulties or be part of kingdom that colluded with terrorists, invented concentration camps, attacked sovereign nations, fabricated WMD reports to push for war, imprisoned innocent men as terrorists, shot civil rights protestors, blamed football fans for tragedies and thats just their recent history.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭Rigol


    Nodin wrote: »
    Odd, because in your similarily themed thread elsewhere you were saying

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80928410&postcount=1

    I suppose that didn't get the reaction you wanted....

    Oh yeah. Check it out beavis - OP has made like 8 posts on his own thread within the space of 3 pages. All supporting one of the two options he gave.

    Soooo... not really a question/poll thread...just some unionist getting his paisley on.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭asherbassad


    I'm genuinely surprised. I thought the poll would be more like 90/10 to the tiochaigh ar la types.

    Troll much?

    So anyone who want to live in an independent country is a gombeen shinner.

    Let me guess "you're either with us or with the terrists"


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Well said. In particular the attempted forceful regaelicization of Ireland is just as bad if not worse than the degaelecisation of times past due to the latter taking place in modern and enlightened times. The former took place in the 17 &18th centuries when such things were order of the day everywhere in the world.

    So if something is the "order of the day" that means they're rendered perfectly fine?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭Sound of Silence


    OP just started a thread about reunification literally fifteen minutes before he posted this.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056763592

    You still haven't offered any real reason as to why reunification would benefit us! Now you're simply indulging bizarre hypotheticals which have zero basis in reality in the hope that it will give some credence to your Unionist viewpoint.

    Europe has already bailed us out. Do you expect the British taxpayer to be the next in line for the price of what remaining Sovereignty we have.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Where is the 'Atari stupid fucking question' option?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭hyperborean


    NO! I rather die on me feet than live on my knees.....800 years...de Brits...rabble rabble
    Well said. In particular the attempted forceful regaelicization of Ireland is just as bad if not worse than the degaelecisation of times past due to the latter taking place in modern and enlightened times. The former took place in the 17 &18th centuries when such things were order of the day everywhere in the world.

    did you write all them der words on bits of paper, scrunch up and put them in a velvet pouch? Then take them out and post the sentences in that order? how did you get the "."

    That post reminds me of spaggetti for some reason


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 725 ✭✭✭Varied


    Where is the 'Atari stupid fucking question' option?

    The definition of the thread is 'Atari stupid fucking question' not just the poll options.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭Sound of Silence


    Today I've learned that anyone who hopes to retain Ireland's Sovereignty is a:

    Anti-British, Ra-head, Gombeen, "tiocfaidh ar la" screaming Moron.

    The only reasons proposed for reunification effectively come down to the fact that "we're so culturally similar that there is no reason that we should be Politically divided".

    If that's literally the only reason put forward, then I'd much rather Unify with the our Western Neighbour, the US of A. We're culturally similar and they're infinitely more wealthy than the UK Government, hell even the EU for that matter.

    Any reason to oppose that, OP?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    iDave wrote: »
    hmmm be part of incompetent small republic with financial difficulties or be part of kingdom that colluded with terrorists, invented concentration camps, attacked sovereign nations, fabricated WMD reports to push for war, imprisoned innocent men as terrorists, shot civil rights protestors, blamed football fans for tragedies and thats just their recent history.

    This is probably the type of stuff that turns him on, Makes him feel big, Stomping on all the little people..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭2011abc


    43% of yis want to rejoin the UK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????I pray God this isnt a representative sample of irish citizenry....Then again with the amount of people voting for FF and FG nuthin would surprise me .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 725 ✭✭✭Varied


    Today I've learned that anyone who hopes to retain Ireland's Sovereignty is a:

    Anti-British, Ra-head, Gombeen, "tiocfaidh ar la" screaming Moron.

    The only reasons proposed for reunification effectively come down to the fact that "we're so culturally similar that there is no reason that we should be Politically divided".

    If that's literally the only reason put forward, then I'd much rather Unify with the our Western Neighbour, the US of A. We're culturally similar and they're infinitely more wealthy than the UK Government, hell even the EU for that matter.

    Any reason to oppose that, OP?

    Looks like the OP has competition.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4 Maximum Feels


    THERES NO WAY ID THE QUEENS COCK NO FUKKING WAY


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,192 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    We should never have left the UK. Being part of a much larger union gave us the opportunity to be part of a truly great country. The Irish, English, Scots & Welsh are part of a common cultural heritage, and we're so intermingled now as makes no difference.

    Instead we're left in a mire with the chuckies telling us how great it is to run our own affairs - in other words, how great it is for them running our affairs in this grotty little country. The narrow minded bigots won and the rest of us who'd just like to get on with our lives have suffered.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭asherbassad


    doolox wrote: »
    I have a substantial link to the UK in that two of my uncles are English nationals who married Irish women, my aunts on my mothers side. My mother and father got jobs over there in the late 40's when there was nothing here in Ireland if you didn't get the land, join the church or know someone with influence to get a state job.

    My mother did her nurse training in England and still has a passion for her vocation, she always saw nursing as more than just a job for money and thoroughly enjoyed her 12 years there.

    My father, after several years selling insurance, working in hardware retail etc in Ireland, got a job in a Dairy in Manchester and was involved several years later in milk deliveries around Galway City when bottled milk was introduced to Galway in the mid to late 50's. He used his knowledge and skills gained in England for the next 30 yrs to earn a good living.

    Most people I knew as a child got their start in a job in England and brought their expertise home to Ireland to make a good living. It seemed to me that those who never left and had no family or property advantages were never able to rise above subsistance. Same applied to those with US or other foreign experience but the vast majority of returnees were from England.

    In terms of economics, personal development and getting ahead in a material way having closer ties with England would be advantageous but would cause a lot of anger among those of an extreme republican leaning who hate England for the historical legacy of the tragic relationship between these two Islands

    It should be possible to embrace and endorse our Anglophone traditions by closer ties to the US the UK and other commonwealth countries but there seems to be a denial of the existence and importance of English culture and language in the everyday experience of Irish people and an attempt to force the issue of regaelicization of the general populace through compulsion and exclusion of monoglot anglophones from many important sources of employment, teaching for example.

    Many distinguishing features and customs that differentiated the Irish and the English in that past no longer apply.

    You're applying anecdotal evidence to an entire diaspora. Not everyone who went to England or America "made it". In fact the majority did not. The Irish and Italian ghettoes in New York and Boston were rife with crime, drunkeness, poverty and lack of opportunity. Kilburn and Cricklewood in London were no different. Cronyism and connections are just as ubiquitous in the UK and the US and how many get ahead of the pack. You really only need to look at social mobility rates to figure that out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭Sound of Silence


    hmmm wrote: »
    We should never have left the UK. Being part of a much larger union gave us the opportunity to be part of a truly great country. The Irish, English, Scots & Welsh are part of a common cultural heritage, and we're so intermingled now as makes no difference.

    Instead we're left in a mire with the chuckies telling us how great it is to run our own affairs - in other words, how great it is for them running our affairs in this grotty little country. The narrow minded bigots won and the rest of us who'd just like to get on with our lives have suffered.

    If that's how you describe the Irish people, then why should the UK Government seek Reunification.

    It seems like they have a lot to lose from the whole deal...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭Sound of Silence


    You're applying anecdotal evidence to an entire diaspora. Not everyone who went to England or America "made it". In fact the majority did not. The Irish and Italian ghettoes in New York and Boston were rife with crime, drunkeness, poverty and lack of opportunity. Kilburn and Cricklewood in London were no different. Cronyism and connections are just as ubiquitous in the UK and the US and how many get ahead of the pack. You really only need to look at social mobility rates to figure that out.

    We wouldn't want to shatter the Anglophiles' Rose-tinted glasses, would we.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭el dude


    Feck that, my dole wouldn't be half as much.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭haulagebasher


    NO! I rather die on me feet than live on my knees.....800 years...de Brits...rabble rabble
    THERES NO WAY ID THE QUEENS COCK NO FUKKING WAY

    I appreciate that you are a n00b but CAPITAL letters are interpreted as shouting and anyway there is no need for expletives.

    If you have an opinion it's best to articulate it coherently. Anyway, I'm reasonably confident that the Queen doesn't have a cock. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭Rigol


    I appreciate that you are a n00b but CAPITAL letters are interpreted as shouting and anyway there is no need for expletives.

    If you have an opinion it's best to articulate it coherently. Anyway, I'm reasonably confident that the Queen doesn't have a cock. :pac:

    Do you live in the Republic OP?

    I may have a suggestion if you do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭golden lane


    i don't think the irish that are already in the uk.....could stand all the moaning......

    the whole world are idiots, except the irish that stayed in ireland.....lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭haulagebasher


    NO! I rather die on me feet than live on my knees.....800 years...de Brits...rabble rabble
    Rigol wrote: »
    Do you live in the Republic OP?

    I may have a suggestion if you do.

    Yes I do live in the Republic.

    What do you suggest?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Will you be implementing this plan before or after you get your workhouses idea off the ground?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    You've started threads today calling for workhouses, unionist parties, and now joining the UK... I think you were born in the wrong century OP!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭whatstherush


    Rigol wrote: »
    Do you live in the Republic OP?

    I may have a suggestion if you do.

    Yes I do live in the Republic.

    What do you suggest?
    Form a unionist party as per your politics thread and knock on my door.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Neewbie_noob


    Firstly, I know the UK has it's own real bugetary difficulties but this is a purely hypothetically, IF.....thread

    So basically if the republic were to rejoin the UK (while retaining a national parliment) would result in good jobs with good availibility and an end to austerity and cuts, woudl you be up for it?

    Or would you be one of the "rather die on my feet..........." rabbler brigade like was on Niall Boylan @night a few weeks ago.

    Is this a troll or a thread designed to provoke ?? You should add a "Rejoin the Commonwealth" Poll Option. I'd vouch for that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 309 ✭✭haulagebasher


    NO! I rather die on me feet than live on my knees.....800 years...de Brits...rabble rabble
    Form a unionist party as per your politics thread and knock on my door.

    Why? What is going on in your house?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    the Queen doesn't have a cock. :pac:

    She's surrounded by them though. They're called 'monarchists' and they buy into the idea that it's okay that people are born into perverse privilege.

    We have enough of our own little quasi-dynasties here never mind becoming subjects of the world's most ridiculous one.


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