23 Americans wanted for kidnapping in Italy

Rented Mule · 20-09-2012 01:39PM

Augmerson wrote: »

Banned from Italy? Shyeeeeeet. Hope you can get Dr. Otker pizza's in the US.

The pizza in America blows away anything you'll find in Italy.

Even the German Pizza.

czx · 20-09-2012 02:12PM

wes wrote: »

At this point, I see no difference between the 2 sides, what with both torturing and murders civilians as they please. The murder of rescue workers is particularly striking, due the 9/11 justification being offered up in defense. How are the US any better after murdering rescue workers?

Anti-American at all costs

wes · 20-09-2012 02:20PM

czx wrote: »

Anti-American at all costs

So you can't dispute the facts that I pointed out? All, you have is a desperate and quite frankly silly little slur.

Being against the US bombing funerals and rescue workers (something you don't dispute happens btw), is not Anti-American. Its just Anti-murderous ass holes.

Now, I can only come to the conclusion that you support the US murder of civilians, as you called me Anti-American, soley for pointing the US murderous terrorism. Pretty sickening that anyone would defend the murder of civilians, due soley to the fact, it is the US that is doing it.

BTW, I have nothing against the average American. They seem to get pretty damn screwed over by there government half the time as well.

Also, a great deal of irony, is tha the source I posted for that was from an American website, and written by an American. If I truly had an irrational hate of them, as you claim, why would I be on one of there websites, and reading an American author?

czx · 20-09-2012 02:34PM

wes wrote: »

So you can't dispute the facts that I pointed out? All, you have is a desperate and quite frankly silly little slur.

Being against the US bombing funerals and rescue workers (something you don't dispute happens btw), is not Anti-American. Its just Anti-murderous ass holes.

Now, I can only come to the conclusion that you support the US murder of civilians, as you called me Anti-American, soley for pointing the US murderous terrorism. Pretty sickening that anyone would defend the murder of civilians, due soley to the fact, it is the US that is doing it.

BTW, I have nothing against the average American. They seem to get pretty damn screwed over by there government half the time as well.

Also, a great deal of irony, is tha the source I posted for that was from an American website, and written by an American. If I truly had an irrational hate of them, as you claim, why would I be on one of there websites, and reading an American author?

The US does not have a policy of targeting civilians. You choose not to believe this.

Your last paragraph sounds rather desperate.

wes · 20-09-2012 02:52PM

czx wrote: »

The US does not have a policy of targeting civilians. You choose not to believe this.

Yes, they do, and have taught others this policy of murder:

The School of the Americas: Class over?

Still, can't dispute a single thing I have posted I see. Your giving me a good laugh defending murder of civlians, as long as its done by the US, by pretending it didn't happen.

There even killing people, who they have no idea who they are:

White House approves broader Yemen drone campaign

The United States has begun launching drone strikes against suspected al-Qaeda operatives in Yemen under new authority approved by President Obama that allows the CIA and the military to fire even when the identity of those who could be killed is not known, U.S. officials said.

Click here for full article

Above emphasis mine. So there killing people, who they have no idea who they are as well. So basically, guilty until proven otherwise. If a Middle Eastern dictator tried to pull that crap, he would be roundly condemn, but as usual there is a seperate rule for the US.

czx wrote: »

Your last paragraph sounds rather desperate.

Coming from someone who can't dispute a single fact that I have pointed out, thats a bit rich. When, your arguement descends to, insisting you right solely on your say so, then you are in desperate place.

Nodin · 20-09-2012 02:57PM

jimmy blevins wrote: »

The CIA are welcome to take these lunatics off our hands. If they can't stand freedom of speech and the liberties offfered in the west they might appreciate it after a trip to cia rendition centre.

The ironing is strong in thee.

Capt'n Midnight · 20-09-2012 03:03PM

cloptrop wrote: »

Why do people have a problem with this . Im happy in the knowledge the CIA are keeping **** safe .
Anyone says different is just a red tape loving beauracrat .

Training and supplying arms to the Afghan mujahideen worked out well didn't it

czx · 20-09-2012 03:08PM

wes wrote: »

Yes, they do, and have taught others this policy of murder:

The School of the Americas: Class over?

Still, can't dispute a single thing I have posted I see. Your giving me a good laugh defending murder of civlians, as long as its done by the US, by pretending it didn't happen.

There even killing people, who they have no idea who they are:

Above emphasis mine. So there killing people, who they have no idea who they are as well. So basically, guilty until proven otherwise. If a Middle Eastern dictator tried to pull that crap, he would be roundly condemn, but as usual there is a seperate rule for the US.

Coming from someone who can't dispute a single fact that I have pointed out, thats a bit rich. When, your arguement descends to, insisting you right solely on your say so, then you are in desperate place.

The link you posted proved my point. The policy is to target operatives, not civilians. The US does not set out to murder civilians.

cloptrop · 20-09-2012 03:15PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

cloptrop wrote: »

Why do people have a problem with this . Im happy in the knowledge the CIA are keeping **** safe .
Anyone says different is just a red tape loving beauracrat .

Training and supplying arms to the Afghan mujahideen worked out well didn't it

Yes the russians lost .

Zebra3 · 20-09-2012 03:44PM

czx wrote: »

The link you posted proved my point. The policy is to target operatives, not civilians. The US does not set out to murder civilians.

Yep, they drop bombs in the middle of cities and if any civies are accidently killed they're collateral damage. :rolleyes:

cloptrop · 20-09-2012 06:57PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

czx wrote: »

The link you posted proved my point. The policy is to target operatives, not civilians. The US does not set out to murder civilians.

Yep, they drop bombs in the middle of cities and if any civies are accidently killed they're collateral damage. :rolleyes:

Ah come on dude you cant fight a war without killing the odd civilian . You cant even fight a gang war without some byestander getting in the way . Their governments are harboring them . Sure wasnt adolf even dropping bombs on us and we werent even fighting him.

jimmy blevins · 20-09-2012 08:02PM

wes wrote: »

Your hardly one to talk about liberties, when you support something, that clearly goes against those liberties. Simply hypocrisy imho.

There are limits to liberty, the common good trumps the rights of a small minority who want to destroy freedom because they think thier belief system is irrefutable.

Piliger · 20-09-2012 08:43PM

czx wrote: »

The US does not have a policy of targeting civilians. You choose not to believe this.

Your last paragraph sounds rather desperate.

Desperate is an understatement. There is a war going on where Westerners are being targeted by these terrorists. I am only irritated by the fact that these terrorists were picked up so publicly and the process was discovered. These people should have been quietly picked up and shipped out to face the consequences of their actions.

Piliger · 20-09-2012 08:45PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Yep, they drop bombs in the middle of cities and if any civies are accidently killed they're collateral damage. :rolleyes:

And wow they do a fantastic job of it

The Islamic terrorists on the other hand target ordinary people and slaughter as many of them as they can so that they can spend their time in heaven with a bunch of virgins..... how perverted is that.

Thank goodness for America.

Pottler · 20-09-2012 09:59PM

How.the.fcuk.did.it.take.23.of.them??? What are they, Fas? What were the other 21 doing? Sketch?

Zebra3 · 20-09-2012 10:40PM

jimmy blevins wrote: »

There are limits to liberty, the common good trumps the rights of a small minority who want to destroy freedom because they think thier belief system is irrefutable.

So why bother with a legal system?

Just allow America to abduct whoever they want off the streets of Europe.

Do you think they always kidnap the "right people"?

wes · 20-09-2012 11:00PM

jimmy blevins wrote: »

There are limits to liberty, the common good trumps the rights of a small minority who want to destroy freedom because they think thier belief system is irrefutable.

What you propose destroys freedom. Again, if you don't believe in it, then fair enough, but lets stop pretending that you believe in freedom. If you believe in freedom, then you believe in laws etc. I have yet to see any good reason, why these guys can't be arrested and tried in courts in a lot of cases.

Then, there is the fact that the US has purposefully killed civilians. So quite frankly they aren't exactly shining examples of virtue themselves.

Seaneh · 20-09-2012 11:03PM

Rented Mule wrote: »

The pizza in America blows away anything you'll find in Italy.

Even the German Pizza.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FshkO8HqQ10

Seaneh · 20-09-2012 11:06PM

cloptrop wrote: »

Ah come on dude you cant fight a war without killing the odd civilian . You cant even fight a gang war without some byestander getting in the way . Their governments are harboring them . Sure wasnt adolf even dropping bombs on us and we werent even fighting him.

THE ODD CIVILIAN?!

118,000 civilians have died in Iraq SO FAR and the count goes on.

Get a ****ing grip.

cloptrop · 20-09-2012 11:49PM

Its the horrors of guerrilla war. I think the spy thing with the kidnapping is better thanthe bombing . Up the cia . Prisoners bein taken out of the country with nobody getting killed. Its the ones who use the bombing tactics that are bad .
I say leave em too it .

Seaneh · 20-09-2012 11:51PM

cloptrop wrote: »

Its the horrors of guerrilla war. I think the spy thing with the kidnapping is better thanthe bombing . Up the cia . Prisoners bein taken out of the country with nobody getting killed. Its the ones who use the bombing tactics that are bad .
I say leave em too it .

You clearly have a great knowledge of the subject and are using great logic and debating skill in your replies.

As usual.

enfant terrible · 20-09-2012 11:52PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/20/italy-rendition-convictions-americans

So I assume there will be no delay in the US handing over these terrorists.

And why has there been no investigation into why the guards turned a blind eye to similar crimes in Ireland, and who ordered them to do so? :mad:

Wonder if the yanks are worried.

Rigol · 21-09-2012 12:32AM

I knew a Dr Oetker, he was on my fetac doctorate course in pizza physiology.
All the obstetrics places were taken, so it was that or gynecology, we both agreed that we prefer the smell of pizza.

EclipsiumRasa · 21-09-2012 12:45AM

So exactly how serious should any of this be taken?

Italy isn't about to do anything that would deter US investors in their country. Is this just a bunch of legal bluster to prevent their politicians being seen as utterly impotent?

It seems unlikely any of the 23 from the US will set foot on Italian soil, and even more unlikely Italy would try and pressure any country they have extradition treaties with to arrest and extradite them to Italy.

So its all just a load of hot air?

kowloon · 21-09-2012 12:48AM

Thread has opened some eyes, I never knew Dr. Oetker was a real person!

Dave_The_Sheep · 21-09-2012 12:55AM

kowloon wrote: »

Thread has opened some eyes, I never knew Dr. Oetker was a real person!

Screw that, I had never even heard of Dr. Oetker.

Then again, I don't like pizza.

The Highwayman · 21-09-2012 04:03AM

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

I wonder how many Italians have been caught kidnapping in america?

Name one?

The Highwayman · 21-09-2012 04:19AM

cloptrop wrote: »

Why do people have a problem with this . Im happy in the knowledge the CIA are keeping **** safe .
Anyone says different is just a red tape loving beauracrat .

Post of the day.. clap clap clap :eek:

Some food for thought

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

Its your mind set that allowed the holocaust

Your post and the people who thanked it are without any doubt in my mind the most stupid thing on the internet

JustAThought · 21-09-2012 04:38AM

"

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

"

Well put.

czx · 21-09-2012 08:32AM

The Highwayman wrote: »

Post of the day.. clap clap clap :eek:

Some food for thought

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

Its your mind set that allowed the holocaust

Your post and the people who thanked it are without any doubt in my mind the most stupid thing on the internet

No, it's actually your mindset that leads to trouble. Stand by and do nothing.

23 Americans wanted for kidnapping in Italy

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