Martin v Adams on Prime Time tonight

PauloMN · 19-09-2012 12:22AM

Fenian Army wrote: »

PauloMN wrote: »

SF haven't a hope thankfully. They've peaked by spoon-feeding their supporters with their wealth tax spin, and gaining a load of pissed of FFers who've nowhere left to turn. This is as good as it gets for the shinners.

You base that nonsense on???

Wishful thinking.

So what party will share power with them then? Even FF as screwed as they are would not go near them. Very few independents would be compatible with them either.

CZ 453 · 19-09-2012 12:27AM

I thought Gerry Adams looked poor enough as well tonight and christ Martin looked aged....So which one really is the republican party?

666irishguy · 19-09-2012 12:31AM

Martin was a surprisingly wicked little devil tonight, and I have to say I was surprised by how he went after Adams. The plain fact though is they are both dead ducks and I hope neither will see leadership of this country. Sinn Fein have basically no clue on how to run a country. They have the British looking over their shoulder in the North to make sure that they don't f**k things up. It's as simple as that. They specialise in telling people what they want to hear and worry about how it will happen once their arse's are on the bench (the backbench thank god). If they ever came to power, we would all be back in the fields digging for spuds within a year. FF are no better however. They are probably going to be forever believed to be being slippier than greased eels, and that government will always be remembered as the ones who broke the country and essentially wasted the boom.

washman3 · 19-09-2012 12:33AM

nachocheese wrote: »

the problem was the demands of the people.

The whole country was drunk on a cocktail of cheap credit and terrible quality cocaine. Fine Gael, despite their faults, I do not believe would have put us up the same path.

Hope you're speaking for yourself bud, cause you're definately not speaking for me,or indeed most of the people i know. Or maybe you've just swallowed the entire jar of pills...

This country was destroyed by a very small bunch of people, mainly FF cronies with property interests. But many FG and indeed Labour cronies had more than a passing interest in this ponzi scheme too.
In fact almost every problem this country is experiencing today has a direct link to that same property ponzi scheme.!!

nice_very · 19-09-2012 03:14AM

what I saw was a big sneery head on martin, trying to nitpick at SF policies, while not admitting to being part of the downfall of our country... typical blame it on the others policy from ff.... (which martin accused SF of) when were SF last in govt? who has us where we are? Gerry Adams is used to dealing with the likes of paisley etc, anyone think that martin bothers him with his bleating?

marcsignal · 19-09-2012 03:50AM

Schnooks wrote: »

Presided over by the ex-FF cheerleader in-chief Miriam, (she wasn't long jumping ship there when thing went south). Her balcony is still hanging in there, albeit quietly.

fyp

wonderfullife · 19-09-2012 03:56AM

washman3 wrote: »

Hope you're speaking for yourself bud, cause you're definately not speaking for me,or indeed most of the people i know. Or maybe you've just swallowed the entire jar of pills...
This country was destroyed by a very small bunch of people, mainly FF cronies with property interests. But many FG and indeed Labour cronies had more than a passing interest in this ponzi scheme too.
In fact almost every problem this country is experiencing today has a direct link to that same property ponzi scheme.!!

to be fair, anyone saying the sub-prime mortgage collapse in America and subsequent impact worldwide is nothing to do with us, is having a laugh. We can rightly go on about developers, cronyism, Anglo all day long but truth is there's no easy handful of cronies to blame for everything.

nordiestar · 19-09-2012 07:21AM

In general I support SF.

I do think it's time Gerry stood aside though and let one of the younger party members at the reigns.

No denying the man did a great job orchestrating the piece process, and getting both sides in the bitter dispute to reconcile their differences, I don't think he looked at all comfortable against Martin, and would argue that finance would be his strong point.

I just don't think the party emerges well from RTE propaganda shows when Gerry gets involved.

Dyr · 19-09-2012 09:08AM

Two things emerge from this

Meehaaul martins combforward is ridiculous. Miriam is still useless at her job.

Schnooks · 19-09-2012 10:03AM

Bambi wrote: »

Two things emerge from this

Meehaaul martins combforward is ridiculous. Miriam is still useless at her job.

Oh God yes! Why oh why is she still being picked for these debates? Remember her disgraceful behaviour at the 2007 Bertie-Enda debate where her big FF head kept butting in on Enda? Bloody RTE, full of FF lackies :mad: thank God for UPC.

LordSutch · 19-09-2012 07:16PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

That would be the Adams who is the most popular party leader, the Adams who got one of the largest % share of votes in his constituency in the GE? The one who has led his movement for decades, who was one of the the primary architects of the peace process from the late 80s?

Useless? Hardly.

I'll tell you something, I'd much rather have the likes of Adams negotiating with the IMF, ECB etc than Enda and co.

Of course you do realise that there is another side to Adams that you have failed to mention!

ilovesleep · 19-09-2012 07:24PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

A lot of people seem to forget that Fine Gael were in opposition when Fianna Fail were in power and while they were there, they did fuck all.

Now it's all, "We're doing the best with what we inherited".

Well maybe, if you hadn't sat on your fucking hands for 10 years things might be a little different.

Politicians... they're all just a shower of self-serving cuntbags.

Cùntbags, I tell ya. Cùntbags. But well said.

Nodin · 19-09-2012 07:28PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Of course you do realise that there is another side to Adams that you have failed to mention!

His short stories?

Sergeant · 19-09-2012 07:29PM

Nodin wrote: »

His short stories?

No, his deep devotion to the teachings of Christ, his love of rural Donegal, and a passion for Aran jumpers.

tayto lover · 19-09-2012 07:29PM

666irishguy wrote: »

Martin was a surprisingly wicked little devil tonight, and I have to say I was surprised by how he went after Adams. The plain fact though is they are both dead ducks and I hope neither will see leadership of this country. Sinn Fein have basically no clue on how to run a country. They have the British looking over their shoulder in the North to make sure that they don't f**k things up. It's as simple as that. They specialise in telling people what they want to hear and worry about how it will happen once their arse's are on the bench (the backbench thank god). If they ever came to power, we would all be back in the fields digging for spuds within a year. FF are no better however. They are probably going to be forever believed to be being slippier than greased eels, and that government will always be remembered as the ones who broke the country and essentially wasted the boom.

The British looking over your shoulder or the Germans ? Much of a muchness.

I couldn't vote for FF, Sf, Labour, Greens or now FG. Oh how we need a new party in this forlorn country.

COYW · 19-09-2012 07:48PM

nice_very wrote: »

Gerry Adams is used to dealing with the likes of paisley etc, anyone think that martin bothers him with his bleating?

You can't really compare politics and political characters in NI and ROI. It is a completely different game up there. The bread & butter of politics up north when Adams was there, surrounded the past and issues arising from that. Adams is comfortable within that environment, he was part of the problem!. Down here, economics/health/education are the core issues and he is weak on those subjects. The likes of the Rev. Ian Paisley would be very straight and honest. You know what he stands for. The politicians down here are far more "cloak and dagger", in the way the sell themselves.

nordiestar wrote: »

I just don't think the party emerges well from RTE propaganda shows when Gerry gets involved.

That has nothing to do with RTE or even TV3 but more to do with the SF front line characters. SF have an awful of lot strengthening up to do. The need to drop some of the old "volunteers" and bring in bright young people, who have no negative ties, before any other party will consider entering government with them.

mickyd1000 · 20-09-2012 08:26PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I couldn't vote for FF, Sf, Labour, Greens or now FG. Oh how we need a new party in this forlorn country.

oh I remember the heady days of an emerging new party, called themselves the PD's wonder what ever became of the dream?

washman3 · 20-09-2012 11:03PM

mickyd1000 wrote: »

oh I remember the heady days of an emerging new party, called themselves the PD's wonder what ever became of the dream?

They looked for a mandate to enter government and end corruption.!!
Ended up being "more corrupt than the corruptors themselves"

P.S. they've rode off into the sunset with massive lump sums and pensions.:mad:

tayto lover · 20-09-2012 11:05PM

washman3 wrote: »

They looked for a mandate to enter government and end corruption.!!
Ended up being "more corrupt than the corruptors themselves"

P.S. they've rode off into the sunset with massive lump sums and pensions.:mad:

True but we still need an alternative to what we have now. I genuinely can't vote for any of them and many others feel the same way.

Dyr · 20-09-2012 11:07PM

COYW wrote: »

That has nothing to do with RTE or even TV3 but more to do with the SF front line characters. SF have an awful of lot strengthening up to do. The need to drop some of the old "volunteers" and bring in bright young people, who have no negative ties, before any other party will consider entering government with them.

ORLY: Take a look at what's in gubberment right now. Komrades gilmore, rabbite and the rest of the sticky refugees from the tootings people front.

washman3 · 20-09-2012 11:10PM

tayto lover wrote: »

True but we still need an alternative to what we have now. I genuinely can't vote for any of them and many others feel the same way.

A party with the likes of Shane Ross and Stephen Donnelly and hopefully Peter Matthews would bid good riddance to the Blueshirts.

tayto lover · 20-09-2012 11:24PM

washman3 wrote: »

A party with the likes of Shane Ross and Stephen Donnelly and hopefully Peter Matthews would bid good riddance to the Blueshirts.

John McGurk on the Vincent Browne Show saying that we have no alternative and people have lost all faith in politics. He's dead right. Less than 3/10 people happy with the Govt now.

Fenian Army · 20-09-2012 11:45PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Of course you do realise that there is another side to Adams that you have failed to mention!

Good point, he's also not bad at hurley!

Martin v Adams on Prime Time tonight

Comments