Martin v Adams on Prime Time tonight

Schnooks · 18-09-2012 10:29PM #1

A cripple fight between "I know nothing about anything in the Republic" Adams and "I wasn't really part of the worst decisions" Martin.

Presided over by the ex-FF cheerleader in-chief Miriam, (she wasn't long jumping ship there when thing went south). Tubs is still hanging in there, albeit quietly.

Neither of the opposition offered a single viable alternative to current policies tonight.

I'm no fan of Enda and co, but I do understand what they have inherited, from that previous shower of gangsters whose current leader was deeply involved in the madness and stupidity that went on.

If they were able to go it without Labour, I think we would see a different govt. I know one thing, nothing that was said on Prime Time tonight gave me any reason to ever think about voting for SF or FF.

vicwatson · 18-09-2012 10:31PM

Missed it, sounds like I missed nothing

donvito99 · 18-09-2012 10:33PM

Get them talking about bomb-making and smoking indoors, now that would be a debate.

starbelgrade · 18-09-2012 10:34PM

Schnooks wrote: »

I'm no fan of Enda and co, but I do understand what they have inherited, from that previous shower of gangsters whose current leader was deeply involved in the madness and stupidity that went on

A lot of people seem to forget that Fine Gael were in opposition when Fianna Fail were in power and while they were there, they did fuck all.

Now it's all, "We're doing the best with what we inherited".

Well maybe, if you hadn't sat on your fucking hands for 10 years things might be a little different.

Politicians... they're all just a shower of self-serving cuntbags.

Some Help Please · 18-09-2012 10:35PM

Adams is clueless, he even makes Martin look good.

SinnFein would probably destroy FF completely if they removed Adams from southern politics. He always comes across badly and out of his debt here.

Gee Bag · 18-09-2012 10:36PM

Shyte like that is why I can't be bothered getting a saor view box.

Roll on 24th October.

El Weirdo · 18-09-2012 10:36PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

A lot of people seem to forget that Fine Gael were in opposition when Fianna Fail were in power and while they were there, they did fuck all.

Except shout that Fianna Fail weren't giving enough money away at every budget.

WumBuster · 18-09-2012 10:37PM

Schnooks wrote: »

A cripple fight between "I know nothing about anything in the Republic" Adams and "I wasn't really part of the worst decisions" Martin.

Presided over by the ex-FF cheerleader in-chief Miriam, (she wasn't long jumping ship there when thing went south). Tubs is still hanging in there, albeit quietly.

Neither of the opposition offered a single viable alternative to current policies tonight.

I'm no fan of Enda and co, but I do understand what they have inherited, from that previous shower of gangsters whose current leader was deeply involved in the madness and stupidity that went on.

If they were able to go it without Labour, I think we would see a different govt. I know one thing, nothing that was said on Prime Time tonight gave me any reason to ever think about voting for SF or FF.

I notice that at every available opportunity they have been using the line about how they inherited these problems and it was all FF. Sure it was but its a cop out at the same time. There is not that big a difference between FF and FG you know. They are all buddies behind closed doors. If FG were in power during the boom I dont think the outcome we find ourselves would be any different.

tayto lover · 18-09-2012 10:44PM

Fine Gael are simply Fianna Fail Mk. 2. Like Zig and Zag.

starbelgrade · 18-09-2012 10:45PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Fine Gael are simply Fianna Fail Mk. 2. Like Zig and Zag.

Zig and Zag were never in politics.

Fratton Fred · 18-09-2012 10:50PM

Thank god for the BBC.

nachocheese · 18-09-2012 10:53PM

WumBuster wrote: »

They are all buddies behind closed doors.

Oh no they're not.

WumBuster wrote:

If FG were in power during the boom I dont think the outcome we find ourselves would be any different.

Doesn't matter who was in power during the boom, the problem was the demands of the people. The government spent every last cent and then some because that's what the people wanted. If the government, regardless of party, had come out at a budget and said "lads, we're actually NOT going to spend all the money we take in next year, we're going to save some for a rainy day" they would have went the way of the Green Party only much quicker.

The whole country was drunk on a cocktail of cheap credit and terrible quality cocaine. Doesn't matter who wore the suits whatsoever.

The big problem with FF was the lasting legacy they've left us with, namely the blanket bank guarantee, croke park agreement, the farce around the oil/gas, terms of the bailout etc. That's the stuff that has us up **** creek and Fine Gael, despite their faults, I do not believe would have put us up the same path.

nachocheese · 18-09-2012 10:53PM

donvito99 wrote: »

Get them talking about bomb-making and smoking indoors, now that would be a debate.

Bomb making while smoking indoors, now that'd really get them going.

WumBuster · 18-09-2012 11:04PM

nachocheese wrote: »

Oh no they're not.

Course they are, well ok, they were until things started to go south for FF and then FG probably sensed the political opportunity so they distanced themselves from the FF debacle.

Doesn't matter who was in power during the boom, the problem was the demands of the people. The government spent every last cent and then some because that's what the people wanted. If the government, regardless of party, had come out at a budget and said "lads, we're actually NOT going to spend all the money we take in next year, we're going to save some for a rainy day" they would have went the way of the Green Party only much quicker.

The whole country was drunk on a cocktail of cheap credit and terrible quality cocaine. Doesn't matter who wore the suits whatsoever.

The big problem with FF was the lasting legacy they've left us with, namely the blanket bank guarantee, croke park agreement, the farce around the oil/gas, terms of the bailout etc. That's the stuff that has us up **** creek and Fine Gael, despite their faults, I do not believe would have put us up the same path.

demands of the people? what on earth are you talking about but I think i heard this blame the people claptrap from politicians before, not least Enda Kenny. We the people elect politicians and governments to protect the people, the economy, and to make the best decisions to safeguard future growth and economic stability, amongst other things. But the politicians were too busy helping themselves to be bothered with such things. I recommend you read the book ships of fools by Fintan o Toole and you may get a clearer understanding of what went on and is still, going on with our politicians behind closed doors

Ronin247 · 18-09-2012 11:06PM

Gerry Adams is useless but I prefer him to listening to that annoying Mary Moo.They should have Doherty talking, because he seems to understand finance.

HeeHaw Martin is a class act,lets forget about our f*cking the economy for over a decade and blame it on the opposition not stopping us.........while we are the opposition, lets only talk about the 18 months since, when others are trying to fix our failures, and jeer the effort.

Funny how no one wants to hear Enda saying he inherited the problem but when Fianna Failure start on about west brits and blueshirt history that is ok...

They are all a bunch of c**ts, just some are bigger c**ts than others.

Toshchiy Imperatritsy Vselennoy · 18-09-2012 11:13PM

nachocheese wrote: »

Oh no they're not.

Doesn't matter who was in power during the boom, the problem was the demands of the people. The government spent every last cent and then some because that's what the people wanted. If the government, regardless of party, had come out at a budget and said "lads, we're actually NOT going to spend all the money we take in next year, we're going to save some for a rainy day" they would have went the way of the Green Party only much quicker.

The whole country was drunk on a cocktail of cheap credit and terrible quality cocaine. Doesn't matter who wore the suits whatsoever.

The big problem with FF was the lasting legacy they've left us with, namely the blanket bank guarantee, croke park agreement, the farce around the oil/gas, terms of the bailout etc. That's the stuff that has us up **** creek and Fine Gael, despite their faults, I do not believe would have put us up the same path.

Savings were not what was required. Proper banking regulation and real accounting regulation and a break away from relying on cedit rating agencies to make sure debt was collateralised.

Improperly collateralised ECB debt and the cosiness of the building industry with the political elite and not enough indigenous entrepeneurship was what caused our problems.

I do not believe Noonan would have been so stupid as to make the Bank garantee...however there may have been pressure too.

I think though people have to except we need more than just a low tax rate to bring in investment and we need IRISH investment so that we can take in revenue from business so the govt has incentive to promote business and not just wealth in property which was a huge source of wealth for them.

Adams is ridiculous......and i think he knows it.....too be honest there is no one who could take his place.

The problem is SF want to be an all Ireland party.....but no one leader an represent the interests of both peoples adequately and SF refuse to acknowledge this.

A leader from DUblin would destroy the party as there main support in in the North and they need that .....but no politician from the north can understand the south and no politician from the south can understand the north.

Really they would need to have a SF south and SF north and have tow leaders....but they will never do that as it is a stark admission that the north and south are different.

Martin.....sigh...is he still here ..what is he for???

Fromthetrees · 18-09-2012 11:23PM

Viva la Revolución!

kowloon · 18-09-2012 11:27PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Zig and Zag were never in politics.

They should be, they're honest about whose hand is up their arse controlling things.

Fenian Army · 18-09-2012 11:36PM

Some Help Please wrote: »

Adams is clueless, he even makes Martin look good.

SinnFein would probably destroy FF completely if they removed Adams from southern politics. He always comes across badly and out of his debt here.

That would be the Adams who is the most popular party leader, the Adams who got one of the largest % share of votes in his constituency in the GE? The one who has led his movement for decades, who was one of the the primary architects of the peace process from the late 80s?
Him?

Useless? Hardly.

I'll tell you something, I'd much rather have the likes of Adams negotiating with the IMF, ECB etc than Enda and co.

mickyd1000 · 18-09-2012 11:40PM

It typically went to shouting over each other, ask Adams a question and he would start a history lesson. Ask Martin a question and it was all sinn fein have no clue. Ended with Martin calling out Adams about not admitting he was a murderer and full member of army council.
Same old bollox from the same old shower of tossers, as bad as Kenny answering every question with we inherited this ****e, maybe they did but stop playing with it and flush it ffs.
As usual middle classes private sector will be hit again. Whilst the play the public v private hasn't worked as expected now try and set old against young and create yellow packs in the public sector to split them. As long as the public are enraged with each other we can fiddle as Ireland burns.

jblack · 18-09-2012 11:43PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

I'll tell you something, I'd much rather have the likes of Adams negotiating with the IMF, ECB etc than Enda and co.

Why?

Specifically; what would be the strategic differences in approach and how would they affect current and future structure?

BillyMitchel · 18-09-2012 11:44PM

Only seen the end of it and the only thing that crossed my mind was: Miriam is defo worth a tug!

PauloMN · 18-09-2012 11:47PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

Some Help Please wrote: »

Adams is clueless, he even makes Martin look good.

SinnFein would probably destroy FF completely if they removed Adams from southern politics. He always comes across badly and out of his debt here.

That would be the Adams who is the most popular party leader, the Adams who got one of the largest % share of votes in his constituency in the GE? The one who has led his movement for decades, who was one of the the primary architects of the peace process from the late 80s?
Him?

Useless? Hardly.

I'll tell you something, I'd much rather have the likes of Adams negotiating with the IMF, ECB etc than Enda and co.

Adams always shows himself up on these debates and did so again tonight. The day he is negotiating on behalf of the country is the day I pack my bags and leave Ireland. SF will have this country in tatters if they ever get into power. Thankfully they never will cause any other party going into coalition with them would be political suicide.

Still waiting to see where his other 2bn euro is coming from, even after the "tax the rich" horse**** he spews. SF economics are fantasy land.

Fenian Army · 18-09-2012 11:50PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Adams always shows himself up on these debates and did so again tonight. The day he is negotiating on behalf of the country is the day I pack my bags and leave Ireland. SF will have this country in tatters if they ever get into power. Thankfully they never will cause any other party going into coalition with them would be political suicide.

Still waiting to see where his other 2bn euro is coming from, even after the "tax the rich" horse**** he spews. SF economics are fantasy land.

Better start packing so.

(is that you Ray Darcy?)

Chucky the tree · 18-09-2012 11:53PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

A lot of people seem to forget that Fine Gael were in opposition when Fianna Fail were in power and while they were there, they did fuck all.

Now it's all, "We're doing the best with what we inherited".

Well maybe, if you hadn't sat on your fucking hands for 10 years things might be a little different.

Politicians... they're all just a shower of self-serving cuntbags.

What should they have done in opposition then?

squod · 18-09-2012 11:55PM

History will recall FF, FG some senior public servants and a host of bankers as traitors. Those who set up the Anglo fraud and nearly destroyed this country.

FF = FG

mickyd1000 · 18-09-2012 11:56PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

Better start packing so.

They won't be packing on their own that's for sure.
But realistically they dont have enough candidates to win a majority and we don't have another looney party to go into power with them. Thankfully!!!!!!!

Armaghmagic · 19-09-2012 12:05AM

Just watched the debate......not a lot of info but looking at what was discussed, Michael blew Gerry apart tonight.

He was happy to smile while Gerry made things even worse for himself. At least FF have policies and will admit they have some policies that will hurt people......SF on the otherhand, are all things to all men, will cut nobody's wages, everyone is happy, and yet we get out of the recession.

FF 1-0 SF on tonights showing!

I feel for the naaive people who believe Sinn Fein and everything they say without asking a few questions....like, WHERE THE HELL WILL THE MONEY COME FROM??

PauloMN · 19-09-2012 12:07AM

Fenian Army wrote: »

PauloMN wrote: »

Adams always shows himself up on these debates and did so again tonight. The day he is negotiating on behalf of the country is the day I pack my bags and leave Ireland. SF will have this country in tatters if they ever get into power. Thankfully they never will cause any other party going into coalition with them would be political suicide.

Still waiting to see where his other 2bn euro is coming from, even after the "tax the rich" horse**** he spews. SF economics are fantasy land.

Better start packing so.

(is that you Ray Darcy?)

SF haven't a hope thankfully. They've peaked by spoon-feeding their supporters with their wealth tax spin, and gaining a load of pissed of FFers who've nowhere left to turn. This is as good as it gets for the shinners.

Fenian Army · 19-09-2012 12:09AM

PauloMN wrote: »

SF haven't a hope thankfully. They've peaked by spoon-feeding their supporters with their wealth tax spin, and gaining a load of pissed of FFers who've nowhere left to turn. This is as good as it gets for the shinners.

You base that nonsense on???

Wishful thinking.

Gee Bag · 19-09-2012 12:13AM

Fenian Army wrote: »

That would be the Adams who is the most popular party leader, the Adams who got one of the largest % share of votes in his constituency in the GE? The one who has led his movement for decades, who was one of the the primary architects of the peace process from the late 80s?
Him?

Useless? Hardly.

I'll tell you something, I'd much rather have the likes of Adams negotiating with the IMF, ECB etc than Enda and co.

Oh Gerry, your such a dreamboat, your beard is so sexy, I love you, you can give me a punishment beating any time!

Martin v Adams on Prime Time tonight

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