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Electronic cigarettes... amazing.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭Ronnie Beck


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Yeah well at least he isn't going to die of lung cancer when he's 45. Hang on I just re-read that. Did his mother try and get him off the e-fags and back onto the the real cancer sticks???? Why?? :confused:

    Because we didn't know when we started.


  • Site Banned Posts: 563 ✭✭✭Wee Willy Harris


    if you say so..

    might try one.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 112 ✭✭Allah_


    Hello folks I am the OP just back from the pub :pac: The e-cigarette worked out pretty well, was smoking it at the bar and in the jacks and basically everywhere.

    I'm also fecking langers, and painstakinly writing this post.

    The only pain in the arse is that I had to smoke more often than before, but I think it's because I got a weak e-liquid. I'll buy a stronger flavour during the week.

    This thread was empty before I went out and I'm glad that it's up to 5 pages now. Thanks to the folks who gave a link to the vape forum.

    As others have said, I wish these things were invented years ago. I'm just passing on "the good news" for those of you who really want to quit. I'm saying this as a smoker of 15 years. If you want to quit: Try these gadgets.


    To the user "Freemasonry":

    I think you're an idiot for smoking in the first place, but that's just me and I'm all for depopulating the world of idiots and letting the smarter breed.

    Judging by your recent threads it looks like you're trying to repeat your Leaving Cert..... LOLOLOL!!!!!!:D Smarter breed eh? Hmmmm... Oh by the way, Leaving Cert tip: 2+2=4. Don't forget your crayons. And a change of nappy.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 112 ✭✭Allah_


    WumBuster wrote: »
    They are just another quit smoking con. You are still putting nicotine into your system hence you are still addicted, and you will still want to smoke. To only way to quit is to go complete cold turkey, which is a nightmare as i know

    How is it a con if I am fully aware that I'm inhaling nicotine? I love the fact that I still get my nicotine fix without the 7 million carcinogens and tar and cancer. I'm basically inhaling the same sh!t that is inside Asthma inhalers, with a bit of nicotene and flavouring. I'll eventually quit this gadget, but it's a good start anyways.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,808 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    dj jarvis wrote: »
    but nicotine is not harmful at all - granted you may be addicted but it wont kill you...
    Wow.

    Too much nicotine can certainly kill you.

    Also, if you already have high blood pressure, nicotine in any form is definitely contra-indicated.

    Not your ornery onager



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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 112 ✭✭Allah_


    I smoke Benson.
    Can anyone recommend an e-cig which will match the same strength?

    I tried a disposable Impulse e-cig but it wasnt worth a ****.

    Hahahaha!

    Well the e-cig juice I'm using now is called "USA Red Mix" ... it's a bit Marlboro-y I think. Definitely tastes like cigarettes anyway. Does the trick.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 112 ✭✭Allah_


    Esel wrote: »

    Wow.

    Too much nicotine can certainly kill you.

    Wow.

    Nicotine sounds very dangerous according to Esel !!!

    Dear Esel, can you tell me how many people die in Ireland per year due to nicotine poisoning, thank you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,808 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Just for your sake then (from here)
    Toxicity

    Anti-smoking advocates highlight the long-term health effects, like cancer and emphysema, that result from a lifetime of smoking or chewing tobacco -- but these maladies are the result of chemicals in cigarettes other than nicotine. Unfortunately, the fact that nicotine alone is an extremely toxic poison often goes unmentioned. Not many people realize that nicotine is also sold commercially in the form of a pesticide! And every year, many children go to the emergency room after eating cigarettes or cigarette butts. Sixty milligrams of nicotine (about the amount in three or four cigarettes if all of the nicotine were absorbed) will kill an adult, but consuming only one cigarette's worth of nicotine is enough to make a toddler severely ill.

    What happens to people after ingesting nicotine? Nicotine poisoning causes vomiting and nausea, headaches, difficulty breathing, stomach pains and seizures. Each of these symptoms can be traced back to excessive stimulation of cholinergic neurons. People poisoned by organophosphate insecticides experience the exact same symptoms. With organophosphates, acetylcholine builds up at synapses and overstimulates the neurons. Because nicotine is so similar to acetylcholine, and binds to cholinergic receptors, nicotine in excess produces the same overstimulation and toxicity. The more nicotine binding to the nicotinic cholinergic receptors, the more acetylcholine is subsequently released and free to activate other subsets of cholinergic receptors.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 112 ✭✭Allah_


    Ok I'll ask again

    *ahem*

    Dear Esel, can you tell me how many people die in Ireland per year due to nicotine poisoning, thank you.


  • Site Banned Posts: 45 Alan_Curry


    Nicotine is harmless, it's the 3000 other poisonous chemicals in tobacco that is the problem.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    girl2 wrote: »
    Because in the long run, the short term costs to get people off the smokes will by far outweigh the costs associated with medically treating people for cigarette-induced illnesses.


    Smoking related diseases save for the Government in the long run. People dying younger means less pension and long term care costs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭blindpilot


    I think you're an idiot for smoking in the first place, but that's just me and I'm all for depopulating the world of idiots and letting the smarter breed.

    Jesus Christ what an idiotic post. One of the old 'I dont smoke so no one else should' brigade. And no argument to back it up. You've obviously never smoked. These are a great way for people to stop smoking or at least help them on their way. Givin up the smokes is tough as hell without any help, if this makes it easier then great. You are part of the idiot world so when you're ready to rid the world of your own ........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Esel wrote: »
    Just for your sake then (from here)

    yea , milk is lethal is large amounts also - my point was, in SAFE doses you can use and take nicotine with NO adverse health affects EVERY DAY ,
    dont be such a wiseinhiemer about it - you know what was meant

    my cardiologist stated that even if the vape is bad for me, it has to be better than smoking cigarettes that include 4000 harmful chemicals

    dont care what smart arsed post you put up , they are HEALTHIER than smokes , cost less and pollute the air for other less - win win win


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    CJC999 wrote: »
    This fella I know was telling me about his brothers girlfriends mothers nephew who went off the smokes and started smoking e-fags and is now addicted to them and on 5 of them a day. His mother is afraid he's going to want a bigger hit and move on to e-cigars and e-pipes and who knows where it'll end. She tried to wean him off them with John Player Black but he was having none if it. This a sad case so beware people, they're not just for the short term, they're for a lot longer.

    Was just talking to the same fella and apparently the same fella is off the e-fags and now smoking e-cannabis. His mother is worried sick he'll start on e-cocaine or worse e-heroin!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭Green Hornet


    They work. The smoke green ones are okay as a tester but you really need to be looking at ones with larger battery capacity that will last all day and are rechargeable.

    You can also buy atomisers which you top up with juice.

    It's true that they can be used as a safer alternative to smoking. Carbon monoxide is the biggest issue when you're smoking but there's 0 carbon monoxide. Toluene, arsenic and about 4000 other chemicals are also absent.

    You can wean yourself off by using decreasing concentrations of nicotine - down to 0% in fact.

    Anybody really interested should visit the e-smoking forum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Freemasonry


    Allah_ wrote: »

    To the user "Freemasonry":




    Judging by your recent threads it looks like you're trying to repeat your Leaving Cert..... LOLOLOL!!!!!!:D Smarter breed eh? Hmmmm... Oh by the way, Leaving Cert tip: 2+2=4. Don't forget your crayons. And a change of nappy.

    It's obvious you've never done the LC if you think "2+2=4" is on the curriculum LOLOLOL x2 and man obvious troll is obvious, the fact you responded shows your idiocy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭leggo


    It's obvious you've never done the LC if you think "2+2=4" is on the curriculum LOLOLOL x2 and man obvious troll is obvious, the fact you responded shows your idiocy.

    To be fair, it's probably not the brightest move to admit you were being a troll...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,808 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Allah_ wrote: »
    Ok I'll ask again *ahem* Dear Esel, can you tell me how many people die in Ireland per year due to nicotine poisoning, thank you.
    I don't know the answer to your question. Maybe you could research it yourself? Also, from Wikipedia:
    Side Effects

    Nicotine not only increases blood pressure and heart rate in humans, but it also mimics the venous endothelial dysfunction caused by smoking.[57] Nicotine can stimulate abnormal proliferation of vascular endothelial cells, similar to that seen in atherosclerosis.[58] Nicotine induces potentially atherogenic genes in human coronary artery endothelial cells.[59] Nicotine could cause microvascular injury through its action on nicotinic acetylcholine receptors (nAChRs),[60] however other mechanisms are also likely at play.
    A study on rats showed that nicotine exposure abolishes the beneficial and protective effects of estrogen on the hippocampus,[61] an estrogen-sensitive region of the brain involved in memory formation and retention.

    Toxicology

    See also: Nicotine poisoning
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    The LD[SIZE=-1]50[/SIZE] of nicotine is 50 mg/kg for rats and 3 mg/kg for mice. 30–60 mg (0.5–1.0 mg/kg) can be a lethal dosage for adult humans.[6][69] Nicotine therefore has a high toxicity in comparison to many other alkaloids such as cocaine, which has an LD50 of 95.1 mg/kg when administered to mice. It is unlikely that a person would overdose on nicotine through smoking alone, although overdose can occur through combined use of nicotine patches or nicotine gum and cigarettes at the same time.[7] Spilling a high concentration of nicotine onto the skin can cause intoxication or even death, since nicotine readily passes into the bloodstream following dermal contact.[70]
    Historically, nicotine has not been regarded as a carcinogen and the IARC has not evaluated nicotine in its standalone form and assigned it to an official carcinogen group. While no epidemiological evidence supports that nicotine alone acts as a carcinogen in the formation of human cancer, research over the last decade has identified nicotine's carcinogenic potential in animal models and cell culture.[71][72] Nicotine has been noted to directly cause cancer through a number of different mechanisms such as the activation of MAP Kinases.[73] Indirectly, nicotine increases cholinergic signalling (and adrenergic signalling in the case of colon cancer[74]), thereby impeding apoptosis (programmed cell death), promoting tumor growth, and activating growth factors and cellular mitogenic factors such as 5-LOX, and EGF. Nicotine also promotes cancer growth by stimulating angiogenesis and neovascularization.[75][76] In one study, nicotine administered to mice with tumors caused increases in tumor size (twofold increase), metastasis (nine-fold increase), and tumor recurrence (threefold increase).[77]
    Though the teratogenic properties of nicotine may or may not yet have been adequately researched, women who use nicotine gum and patches during the early stages of pregnancy face an increased risk of having babies with birth defects, according to a study of around 77,000 pregnant women in Denmark. The study found that women who use nicotine-replacement therapy in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy have a 60% greater risk of having babies with birth defects, compared to women who are non-smokers.I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed"]citation needed[/URL][/I
    Effective April 1, 1990, the Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment (OEHHA) of the California Environmental Protection Agency added nicotine to the list of chemicals known to the state to cause developmental toxicity, for the purposes of Proposition 65.[78]


    Also see this page on Nicotine Poisoning from Wikipedia.
    dj jarvis wrote: »
    yea , milk is lethal is large amounts also - my point was, in SAFE doses you can use and take nicotine with NO adverse health affects EVERY DAY ,
    dont be such a wiseinhiemer about it - you know what was meant

    my cardiologist stated that even if the vape is bad for me, it has to be better than smoking cigarettes that include 4000 harmful chemicals

    dont care what smart arsed post you put up , they are HEALTHIER than smokes , cost less and pollute the air for other less - win win win
    You said nicotine is harmless. I refuted your statement.
    Alan_Curry wrote: »
    Nicotine is harmless, it's the 3000 other poisonous chemicals in tobacco that is the problem.
    If you have high blood pressure, it is definitely contra-indicated. See above.

    I have been vaping for the past 15 months, btw, so I am not opposed to the informed ingestion of nicotine.

    The Vaping forum is a good resource here on Boards for detailed information on vaping (e-smoking).

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Esel wrote: »
    I don't know the answer to your question. Maybe you could research it yourself? Also, from Wikipedia:





    Also see this page on Nicotine Poisoning from Wikipedia.

    You said nicotine is harmless. I refuted your statement.

    If you have high blood pressure, it is definitely contra-indicated. See above.

    I have been vaping for the past 15 months, btw, so I am not opposed to the informed ingestion of nicotine.

    The Vaping forum is a good resource here on Boards for detailed information on vaping (e-smoking).

    you must be the only one reading the thread the did not understand what i meant - but don't let that stop your pedantic ranting

    its harmless delivered in the doses by the devices we were all talking about

    but please continue - i enjoy seeing electricity being wasted on such importance - so when does the grammar and punctuation lesson start ?
    don't want to miss that one


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭Love2love


    I used the Smoke Green one. I stopped smoking cigarettes on Feb 2nd. I started on ex-high cartridges and eventually went down to zero so you don't have to inhale nicotine if using one. I got nothing out of the zero nicotine cartridges so I just stopped. It took 6 weeks for me to be nicotine free.

    I previously tried cold turkey, patches, inhalers, gum, champix, smoking cessation clinic, Alan Carr and hypnosis (250 euros :eek:) I started these on a Thursday expecting me to be back smoking by Saturday :D and I still cannot believe that I no longer smoke.

    I think there is an issue on whether they can be sold in Pharmacies. Some governments feel that they should be classed as a tabacco product and therefore taxed as one but because they actually contain no tabacco they can't be. I recall a few people buying them in chemist and now you can't. I remember reading that on the internet when I start to use them but don't quote me as it could be false.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭Little Acorn


    Can you smoke these in nightclubs/pubs/restaurants/college canteen etc.?
    If they only produce some sort of water vapour and don't really smell, I would think they should be ok, but don't know if they are banned from certain places or not? If you were asked to stop in a premises, could you argue that they have no right to stop you because you are not breaking the smoking law?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,808 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    You said
    dj jarvis wrote: »
    but nicotine is not harmful at all - granted you may be addicted but it wont kill you...

    I replied
    Esel wrote: »
    Wow. Too much nicotine can certainly kill you. Also, if you already have high blood pressure, nicotine in any form is definitely contra-indicated.

    You then try to qualify your incorrect statement
    dj jarvis wrote: »
    its harmless delivered in the doses by the devices we were all talking about
    Still incorrect. But keep your mind closed - it seems to be working for you.

    My internet usage is powered by the hot air generated by posters such as yourself.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 112 ✭✭Allah_


    Can you smoke these in nightclubs/pubs/restaurants/college canteen etc.?
    If they only produce some sort of water vapour and don't really smell, I would think they should be ok, but don't know if they are banned from certain places or not? If you were asked to stop in a premises, could you argue that they have no right to stop you because you are not breaking the smoking law?

    Yep, I was smoking it in the nightclubs and pubs last night. A few of the barmen saw me, didn't say anything. Got some inquisitive drunken langers asking about the gadget, they were generally impressed by it.

    Smoked it in Super Valu today too.

    It's only my second day with it... I'll try it on the bus tomorrow!

    If people ask about it I'd say it's best to just call it a "nicotine inhaler". Calling it an electronic cigarette might make thick people think it's an actual cigarette.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    I think you're an idiot for smoking in the first place, but that's just me and I'm all for depopulating the world of idiots and letting the smarter breed.

    In what world does smoking prevent someone from breeding?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Esel wrote: »
    You said

    I replied

    You then try to qualify your incorrect statementStill incorrect. But keep your mind closed - it seems to be working for you.

    My internet usage is powered by the hot air generated by posters such as yourself.

    yea - you are aware that others are also reading this ?
    no one else misunderstood what i meant - only you

    like a dog with a smelly bone - off ya go boy - enjoy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭Little Acorn


    Allah_ wrote: »
    Yep, I was smoking it in the nightclubs and pubs last night. A few of the barmen saw me, didn't say anything. Got some inquisitive drunken langers asking about the gadget, they were generally impressed by it.

    Smoked it in Super Valu today too.

    It's only my second day with it... I'll try it on the bus tomorrow!

    If people ask about it I'd say it's best to just call it a "nicotine inhaler". Calling it an electronic cigarette might make thick people think it's an actual cigarette.

    Thanks for the info, these things sound very interesting. Will definitely be looking into getting one if I fail at my upcoming "cold turkey" attempt. I think I would like one of these on the few occasions I drink. Always seem to want to smoke more with a few drinks. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 484 ✭✭guppy


    leggo wrote: »
    I hate the "but you're still addicted!" argument. It smacks of that typical Irish attitude looking to take people down a peg for no good reason.

    The reasons I didn't like smoking, in order, were:

    1) I spent too much money on it and,
    2) I didn't want cancer.

    Now I'm saving about €200 a month (trust me, you notice the difference. First time in my life I'm regular getting to the end of the month with money still in my account) and I'm not putting tar or other cancer-inducing chemicals into my body. Problem solved.

    The addiction wasn't the issue. The money and cancer was. I'm addicted to breathing too. And sleeping. Simply being 'addicted' to something isn't always a problem worth lecturing others about. It's whether that's harmful to you or not that it becomes an issue.

    I have to admit, I love smoking, but the health issues were always in my mind. I always said I'd love a replacement. E-cigs are it for me. I love them, they're a healthier way of "smoking" for me.

    I love trying the different flavours, and I really love smoking in my home now, and in work (my colleagues don't mind, I've asked). I love how much cheaper it is. I love how I don't stink. Mostly, weirdly enough, I loved the cough I got when I switched, the one that told me my lungs were clearing themselves of the gunk I'd put in to them.

    To me, it's the best of both worlds- I smoke, but I don't negatively impact anyone else, plus I save loads of money. I know not smoking at all would be optimal, but this is a very, very close second best, IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭kilograms


    No Ryanair do not sell smokes, they sell fake smokes.

    I quit smoking 2 years ago, but if you are using something that substitutes actual smoking, the concept of smoking is very much alive in your head so there is a high chance that you will go back on the smokes.

    You need to banish smoking from your mind to be successful


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sandmanporto


    I think you're an idiot for smoking in the first place, but that's just me and I'm all for depopulating the world of idiots and letting the smarter breed.
    Smarter breed? I know doctors who smoke and German Shepherds that hate cigarette smoke. You are a true troll.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 484 ✭✭guppy


    kilograms wrote: »
    No Ryanair do not sell smokes, they sell fake smokes.

    I quit smoking 2 years ago, but if you are using something that substitutes actual smoking, the concept of smoking is very much alive in your head so there is a high chance that you will go back on the smokes.

    You need to banish smoking from your mind to be successful

    Absolutely. But I love smoking, this is why I love e-cigs, they are smoking minus the horrible health hazards, for me and everyone else. I fully admit I don't want to stop smoking, I want the benefits of stopping without the agony. I've found it. Started vaping in february, have smoked maybe 60 since, and the time between real cigarettes is getting longer and longer.


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