Electronic cigarettes... amazing.

OneArt · 15-09-2012 11:10PM

WumBuster wrote: »

They are just another quit smoking con. You are still putting nicotine into your system hence you are still addicted, and you will still want to smoke. To only way to quit is to go complete cold turkey, which is a nightmare as i know

If it's like smoking a real cigarette without the chemicals and tar, then it's worth it. Nicotine on its own is a stimulant drug like caffeine.

I'm a smoker and I f*cking love smoking. If there's a safer way of doing it, I'm all for it.

WumBuster · 15-09-2012 11:13PM

Kurz wrote: »

I can only speak for myself and the reasons I quit smoking. It was affecting my health and costing me a lot of money. I switched to e-cigarettes nearly two years ago and it wasn't difficult. I saved maybe ten grand in that time and any smoking-related health issues have gone away.

I agree with the general thrust of your point that it's better to give up cold turkey in the long term, but e-cigarettes are certainly not a con.

Edit: You actually don't still want to smoke. You notice the smell and all that stuff and don't want any part of it.

Ok fair enough from the health perspective but you are still spending a lot of money on e cigarettes, a substitute. They help you quit smoking but keep you addicted to nicotine, which is a bit of a scam really when you think about it

dj jarvis · 15-09-2012 11:14PM

OneArt wrote: »

If it's like smoking a real cigarette without the chemicals and tar, then it's worth it. Nicotine on its own is a stimulant drug like caffeine.

I'm a smoker and I f*cking love smoking. If there's a safer way of doing it, I'm all for it.

dont know if mods will allow a link to a product that if you enjoy smoking , this is your man - lots of different products on the market , a lot are rubbish , this one is great - i promise you if you are still using it after 2 days you will stop smoking

pm me and ill send you the link

** i have no association with ANY retailer in any shape or form - im not spamming - just trying to spread the good word **

dj jarvis · 15-09-2012 11:17PM

WumBuster wrote: »

Ok fair enough from the health perspective but you are still spending a lot of money on e cigarettes, a substitute. They help you quit smoking but keep you addicted to nicotine, which is a bit of a scam really when you think about it

9 euro for a bottle of juice last me 2 weeks - hardly a lot of money seeing smokes are what now ? 9 euro ?

its not just the nicotine , its the habit of smoking , inhaling and the hit , these devices mimic it very well , your not getting the 4000 chemicals that cause cancer - its win win , being addicted to nicotine is the least of your worries as a smoker

15-09-2012 11:18PM

There is a big debate in pharmacy circles whether pharmacies should be allowed sell them. However, I think the IPS said they should not be sold in pharmacies.

zenno · 15-09-2012 11:19PM

Freemasonry wrote: »

I think you're an idiot for smoking in the first place, but that's just me and I'm all for depopulating the world of idiots and letting the smarter breed.

So a person is an idiot if they smoke ? well then that makes all north/south american indians idiots does it ? Some of the smartest and enlightened people on this planet

The electronic cigs work well but you are still inhaling nicotine, fair enough in the case that you are not inhaling smoke but it's not really giving cigs up as you are still putting nicotine into your lungs.

15-09-2012 11:20PM

Meh, still cant light one up on a plane.:(

dj jarvis · 15-09-2012 11:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There is a big debate in pharmacy circles whether pharmacies should be allowed sell them. However, I think the IPS said they should not be sold in pharmacies.

the ones they sell in the chemists are rubbish - trust me on this one
go to the smoking thread and do some reading

they are the fiat of e cigs - useless

dj jarvis · 15-09-2012 11:22PM

Jake1 wrote: »

Meh, still cant light one up on a plane.:(

i do - and never has anyone, either passenger or air crew said one word to me about it

i might just be lucky - but dont ryanair sell e smokes on the plane ?

leggo · 15-09-2012 11:23PM

I hate the "but you're still addicted!" argument. It smacks of that typical Irish attitude looking to take people down a peg for no good reason.

The reasons I didn't like smoking, in order, were:

1) I spent too much money on it and,
2) I didn't want cancer.

Now I'm saving about €200 a month (trust me, you notice the difference. First time in my life I'm regular getting to the end of the month with money still in my account) and I'm not putting tar or other cancer-inducing chemicals into my body. Problem solved.

The addiction wasn't the issue. The money and cancer was. I'm addicted to breathing too. And sleeping. Simply being 'addicted' to something isn't always a problem worth lecturing others about. It's whether that's harmful to you or not that it becomes an issue.

Kurz · 15-09-2012 11:23PM

WumBuster wrote: »

Ok fair enough from the health perspective but you are still spending a lot of money on e cigarettes, a substitute. They help you quit smoking but keep you addicted to nicotine, which is a bit of a scam really when you think about it

I spend €20 on it every three weeks. It's really not expensive. Though if you look in the vaping forum you'll see lads who spend a fortune on the latest james bond vaping gear because it's a hobby of sorts.

I agree that cold turkey is the most desirable way but it is very difficult and fair fúcks to anyone who does it. Vaping isn't expensive at all, the real vested interests are people like nicorette who's products don't work and cost as much as smoking if not more.

15-09-2012 11:24PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

i do - and never has anyone, either passenger or air crew said one word to me about it

i might just be lucky - but dont ryanair sell e smokes on the plane ?

the sell condoms in boots but they dont let ye ride there

:D

I know on US flights its definately not allowed, and I also once asked on a Ryan air flight could I, and was told no.

humbert · 15-09-2012 11:27PM

I don't smoke but I'll support these things if they make smokers less/not smelly.

Pottler · 15-09-2012 11:27PM

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

Thank God Allah you've stopped smoking.

Careful now, or a lot of stones might get thrown at a lot of windows. Do not mention the Scottish deity:D E-cigs. Hmm. About four years ago a bird offered me an investment in some new fangled electric cigarettes. I reckoned they'd never catch on! Good one, Pottler.:(

dj jarvis · 15-09-2012 11:30PM

Jake1 wrote: »

the sell condoms in boots but they dont let ye ride there :D

I know on US flights its definately not allowed, and I also once asked on a Ryan air flight could I, and was told no.

your right , on Finnish trains your also not allowed , but many do allow it , i just use it and wait and see , they dont have a leg to stand on really as there is no signage or leaflets saying that you cant , so you are breaking no rule or law

some states in the US are trying to ban them , with huge pressure from the tobacco lobby - they might go here also - one estimate put the loss to the UK gov at 21 billion in lost taxes - they will ban it on financial grounds

bastards will let people smoke to make cash - simple as that

Gran Hermano · 15-09-2012 11:33PM

girl2 wrote: »

Because in the long run, the short term costs to get people off the smokes will by far outweigh the costs associated with medically treating people for cigarette-induced illnesses.

And in the longer run the government will have less revenue from cigs and more expenditure on housing, pensions and healthcare for bigger population that lives longer.

charlietheminxx · 15-09-2012 11:36PM

I'm off the cigarettes 7 weeks today thanks to electronic cigarettes. In that 7 weeks, I've spent about 60 euro on vaping products (and have enough to last me maybe another 3 weeks) - so that's €6 or €7 a week, rather than the €40 I was spending.

I'm much healthier. My sense of smell is much stronger. I feel SO much better without them.

The first 2 weeks were still hard but now I rarely give actual cigarettes a 2nd thought. I've stopped smoking before and always missed them sorely. This just changed everything for me.

They definitely work.

humbert · 15-09-2012 11:38PM

Gran Hermano wrote: »

And in the longer run the government will have less revenue from cigs and more expenditure on housing, pensions and healthcare for bigger population that lives longer.

So the retirement age will increase. Healthy people are better for the economy than people with long-term illnesses.

Shane-KornSpace · 15-09-2012 11:46PM

I smoke Benson.
Can anyone recommend an e-cig which will match the same strength?

I tried a disposable Impulse e-cig but it wasnt worth a ****.

Chuck Stone · 15-09-2012 11:47PM

I keep hearing this 'smokers are good for the economy' shite.

First, reducing people to economic units is dehumanising.

Second, the economics of this argument are not sound. Smokers get expensive treatments for cancer and respiratory illness, they miss days in work also.

Third, what about the smoker's quality of life? What about the people around him?

Smoking is bad - there is no upside worth mentioning.

15-09-2012 11:49PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

the ones they sell in the chemists are rubbish - trust me on this one
go to the smoking thread and do some reading

they are the fiat of e cigs - useless

Well the idea that they should only be seen as useful in harm reduction, the same way you can get clean needles in pharmacies.

15-09-2012 11:51PM

charlietheminxx wrote: »

I'm off the cigarettes 7 weeks today thanks to electronic cigarettes. In that 7 weeks, I've spent about 60 euro on vaping products (and have enough to last me maybe another 3 weeks) - so that's €6 or €7 a week, rather than the €40 I was spending.

I'm much healthier. My sense of smell is much stronger. I feel SO much better without them.

The first 2 weeks were still hard but now I rarely give actual cigarettes a 2nd thought. I've stopped smoking before and always missed them sorely. This just changed everything for me.

They definitely work.

Nice one, well done. Ive smoked for 33 years, I wonder woud they work for me. I might try one. Would you pm me the name of the one you liked?

15-09-2012 11:54PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

your right , on Finnish trains your also not allowed , but many do allow it , i just use it and wait and see , they dont have a leg to stand on really as there is no signage or leaflets saying that you cant , so you are breaking no rule or law

To be honest I think Id feel just as weird smoking one of them in a non smoking place I think Id still feel the need to ' step outside'

But as a tool in trying to cut down or quit in my home would be something I might try .

dj jarvis · 15-09-2012 11:56PM

Jake1 wrote: »

dj jarvis wrote: »

your right , on Finnish trains your also not allowed , but many do allow it , i just use it and wait and see , they dont have a leg to stand on really as there is no signage or leaflets saying that you cant , so you are breaking no rule or law

To be honest I think Id feel just as weird smoking one of them in a non smoking place I think Id still feel the need to ' step outside'

But as a tool in trying to cut down or quit in my home would be something I might try .

but your not smoking - it takes a while to get used to that fact - its basically steam with no smell , it looks and tastes and feels like smoke but its not

so you can use it - even in non smoking areas becasue you are not smoking :-)
enjoy

Ronnie Beck · 16-09-2012 01:02AM

Day4 off the smokes. Must get a pack of these for emergencies. In a chemists did someone say?

bleg · 16-09-2012 01:16AM

Smoking is one of the worst things anybody can do to themselves.

Used to smoke socially occasionally but then read "The Emperor of All Maladies" and it completely turned me off smoking. I'd recommend it to anybody trying to give up. Really fantastic book.

bleg · 16-09-2012 01:19AM

Ronnie Beck wrote: »

Day4 off the smokes. Must get a pack of these for emergencies. In a chemists did someone say?

Some pharmacies sell them but the PSI (pharmacy regulator supposed to be acting in the public's interest) has advised pharmacists not to sell them as they don't hold some licence or other.

Pretty ridiculous seeing as they can be bought freely. Why not have a health professional who can offer additional support selling them rather than Mary in the local centra?

Cee-Jay-Cee · 16-09-2012 01:53AM

This fella I know was telling me about his brothers girlfriends mothers nephew who went off the smokes and started smoking e-fags and is now addicted to them and on 5 of them a day. His mother is afraid he's going to want a bigger hit and move on to e-cigars and e-pipes and who knows where it'll end. She tried to wean him off them with John Player Black but he was having none if it. This a sad case so beware people, they're not just for the short term, they're for a lot longer.

MadYaker · 16-09-2012 01:58AM

CJC999 wrote: »

This fella I know was telling me about his brothers girlfriends mothers nephew who went off the smokes and started smoking e-fags and is now addicted to them and on 5 of them a day. His mother is afraid he's going to want a bigger hit and move on to e-cigars and e-pipes and who knows where it'll end. She tried to wean him off them with John Player Black but he was having none if it. This a sad case so beware people, they're not just for the shirt term, they're for a lot longer.

Yeah well at least he isn't going to die of lung cancer when he's 45. Hang on I just re-read that. Did his mother try and get him off the e-fags and back onto the the real cancer sticks???? Why??

Ronnie Beck · 16-09-2012 02:04AM

CJC999 wrote: »

This fella I know was telling me about his brothers girlfriends mothers nephew who went off the smokes and started smoking e-fags and is now addicted to them and on 5 of them a day. His mother is afraid he's going to want a bigger hit and move on to e-cigars and e-pipes and who knows where it'll end. She tried to wean him off them with John Player Black but he was having none if it. This a sad case so beware people, they're not just for the short term, they're for a lot longer.

Have to get some e-turf for the fire this winter because of that gormley wanker. Visions of wandering around the pub this christmas asking lonely looking old women for a loan of their batteries. I'll stick to the cold turkey.

Electronic cigarettes... amazing.

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