Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

TheBuilder · 10-09-2012 08:56PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

from twitter

Well that's just a lot of bollocks, no doubt from a Celtic fan who's can't differentiate between club and company.

It's funny how when Celtic questioned judgements and disciplinary systems and pretty much everything else about the SFA or SPL in recent years it was for the good of the game in Scotland and they were well within their rights to defend themselves.

Now Rangers are using their rights, questioning the SPL's systems its an admission of guilt.

It's amazing, but I'm saying no more on the matter until judgements are made and evidence and defence is given from both sides, until then it's just going to go back and forward with the same nonsense from the same people.

bobbysands81 · 10-09-2012 09:02PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Well that's just a lot of bollocks, no doubt from a Celtic fan who's can't differentiate between club and company.

I love it!!!

bobbysands81 · 10-09-2012 09:03PM

TheBuilder · 10-09-2012 09:03PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

I love it!!!

Good for you

blahfckingblah · 10-09-2012 09:06PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Well that's just a lot of bollocks, no doubt from a Celtic fan who's can't differentiate between club and company.

It's funny how when Celtic questioned judgements and disciplinary systems and pretty much everything else about the SFA or SPL in recent years it was for the good of the game in Scotland and they were well within their rights to defend themselves.

Now Rangers are using their rights, questioning the SPL's systems its an admission of guilt.

It's amazing, but I'm saying no more on the matter until judgements are made and evidence and defence is given from both sides, until then it's just going to go back and forward with the same nonsense from the same people.

cheerio until then so. never realised so much offense could be caused in less than 140 characters

lubo_moravcik · 10-09-2012 09:06PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

The players then who left had contracts with the company and not the club? I take it the current players contracts are also with the company and not with the club??

Am lost, what's the name of the company and what's the name of the club??

I'd be very surprised if BDO didn't sort out this mess, this pantomime still has some way to run.

The club and company are most definitely different, what's their names?

bobbysands81 · 10-09-2012 09:07PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Good for you

The RFC EBT defence timeline - 2010: We never had EBTs -> 2011: OK we had EBTs but they're not illegal -> 2012: We're not talking to you

Stolen from TheHumanTorpedo

Dempsey · 10-09-2012 09:08PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

You don't get it.

Green isn't saying Rangers shouldn't be punished, he's questioning the impartiality of those appointed to hand out punishments.
And rightly so, given Lord Nimmo's past in dealing with Rangers.

Whatever happened with the infamous taxi rank system for judicial panels at the SPL ? Funny that the guy who handed out the unlawful punishment of a registration ban is now the same person leading this.

"I must make it clear that we are not questioning for a moment the integrity of Lord Nimmo Smith and his colleagues but we believe the SPL have been hypocritical in their approach to this matter.

Maybe you should read what Green said again!

TheBuilder · 10-09-2012 09:08PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

cheerio until then so. never realised so much offense could be caused in less than 140 characters

I never said I was going anywhere.

edit: I said I was saying no more on this matter, and I'm not.

Jelle1880 · 10-09-2012 09:13PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

The RFC EBT defence timeline - 2010: We never had EBTs -> 2011: OK we had EBTs but they're not illegal -> 2012: We're not talking to you

Stolen from TheHumanTorpedo

This just proves you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

Rangers never, ever denied the use of EBT's.

And Dempsey: I didn't say Rangers of Green openly questioned Nimmo's integrity, but I and many others do.

And I'm fairly certain so does Green, but obviously he won't come out and say that.

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Really? I look forward to you backing this up with fact then.

Are you thick or just playing stupid ?

It's been pointed out time and time again, I'm not gonna entertain you.
Google it if you're not aware of it.

Hell, there's even a Leeds thread down below, maybe you could ask them if the creation of Leeds United Football Club Limited in 2007 means that this is now a different Leeds than the one which won the First Division and the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup.

I'm sure they'd love to hear that.

Madam · 10-09-2012 09:24PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

And Dempsey: I didn't say Rangers of Green openly questioned Nimmo's integrity, but I and many others do.

And I'm fairly certain so does Green, but obviously he won't come out and say that.

I don't understand:o Why would anyone question a high court judges intergrity, is he not supposed to be an impartial observer(a bit like Scottish referees:rolleyes:)?

bobbysands81 · 10-09-2012 09:30PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Are you thick or just playing stupid ?

It's been pointed out time and time again, I'm not gonna entertain you.
Google it if you're not aware of it.

That's all quite harsh.

You made the assertion now back it up with fact mo chara.

Dempsey · 10-09-2012 09:50PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

And Dempsey: I didn't say Rangers of Green openly questioned Nimmo's integrity, but I and many others do.

And I'm fairly certain so does Green, but obviously he won't come out and say that.

When you're in a hole, dig up! :rolleyes:

Jelle1880 · 10-09-2012 09:50PM

Madam wrote: »

I don't understand:o Why would anyone question a high court judges intergrity, is he not supposed to be an impartial observer(a bit like Scottish referees:rolleyes:)?

He was the one that imposed the registration ban, which was later found to be unlawful.

Hence...

And bobby: Google it, or look through the old thread.
It's been said time and time again, those clubs are the proof that changing the holding company has no influence on the club's history, they are still the same clubs as before.

lubo_moravcik · 10-09-2012 11:07PM

At the risk of being accused of trolling, Am wondering does anyone genuinely know the name of the company and the name of the club please?

LiamoSail · 10-09-2012 11:34PM

Genuine question for the Rangers fans. If it still is the same club, and just the holding company went bust, by the same logic does that mean no club can ever go bust, once they have a holding company, as I believe all clubs do?

I'm genuinely not trying to start a sevco/rangers debate here, just querying the above

Jelle1880 · 10-09-2012 11:43PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

Genuine question for the Rangers fans. If it still is the same club, and just the holding company went bust, by the same logic does that mean no club can ever go bust, once they have a holding company, as I believe all clubs do?

I'm genuinely not trying to start a sevco/rangers debate here, just querying the above

It can always happen, but only if there is absolutely no new owner found.

So let's say Green never stepped in and the bids of Brown, Walter Smith,... never happened.

In that case at one point the administrators would have had to make the decision of shutting everything down and selling all the assets to the creditors.

Clubs with holding companies can still go bust, if the holding company that holds the licenses and contracts for players goes bust, and no replacement is found/created.
If that happens what you basically have is a club with no league to play in and no players.

lubo: The club name is still Rangers FC, the new holding company changed it's name from Sevco Scotland Ltd to The Rangers Football Club Ltd.

bobbysands81 · 11-09-2012 12:22AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

If that happens what you basically have is a club with no league to play in and no players.

Which is exactly what happened when Sevco were formed. Seriously mo chara, talk to anyone with a legal background, it'll all come out in the wash (EBT, dual contracts and finally when BDO take over from Duff and Phelps).

Jelle1880 · 11-09-2012 07:23AM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Which is exactly what happened when Sevco were formed. Seriously mo chara, talk to anyone with a legal background, it'll all come out in the wash (EBT, dual contracts and finally when BDO take over from Duff and Phelps).

Nonsense, when Sevco were formed the original holding company still existed, it was in liquidation but still hasn't been liquidated as of yet.

The assets were then transferred to Sevco.

Several players may have refused to transfer their contract, but the club was never without any players.

As for the dual contracts, I still haven't seen any of these so-called letters.

Dempsey · 11-09-2012 10:52AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Nonsense, when Sevco were formed the original holding company still existed, it was in liquidation but still hasn't been liquidated as of yet.

The assets were then transferred to Sevco.

Several players may have refused to transfer their contract, but the club was never without any players.

As for the dual contracts, I still haven't seen any of these so-called letters.

Rangers are still in administration, as administrators are currently appointed. When liquidators finally get appointed, the process of liquidation begins. Just because liquidators have been formally lined up doesn't mean that they are in liquidation

Eirebear · 11-09-2012 04:32PM

McCleod, McKay and Crawford signed up until 2017.
brilliant news for the club imo - especially McLeod and McKay who have featured in every game so far this season.

bobbysands81 · 11-09-2012 11:37PM

Charles Green - "We've never been a member of the SPL"

BOOM!!!

"We bought the titles", "We bought them, we paid for them and nobody is going to take them away from us"

http://soundcloud.com/celticresearch/cg-gms/s-ya9Uz

bobbysands81 · 11-09-2012 11:44PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Nonsense, when Sevco were formed the original holding company still existed, it was in liquidation but still hasn't been liquidated as of yet.

The assets were then transferred to Sevco.

Several players may have refused to transfer their contract, but the club was never without any players.

As for the dual contracts, I still haven't seen any of these so-called letters.

The new club was clearly without players at one stage.

Eirebear · 12-09-2012 01:55AM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Charles Green - "We've never been a member of the SPL"

BOOM!!!

"We bought the titles", "We bought them, we paid for them and nobody is going to take them away from us"

http://soundcloud.com/celticresearch/cg-gms/s-ya9Uz

Boom! Entirely.

Whatever came out of Rangers, be it defunct or not - is a continuation of what came before.
I, as much as i respect your opinion Bobby, do not give a flying **** what other people say.
Yes, we went out of business - but what came after is very much in line with what came before.

Jelle1880 · 12-09-2012 07:03AM

Nine Scottish Premier League clubs, and Rangers, have received a slice of a €100m payout by UEFA for their contributions to Euro 2012.

Celtic will receive the most, €568,226 (£453,325), after having both Mikael Lustig and Georgios Samaras involved in the final tournament. Rangers meanwhile will receive the second highest payment, netting €339,623 (£270,948).

Aberdeen, Dundee United, Hearts, Inverness CT, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, Ross County and St Johnstone have also profited, as UEFA rewards clubs for releasing players to feature in both the qualifying and final stages of the European Championships.

The solidarity payments were made to 575 European clubs, in conjunction with European Club Association.

For the qualifying rounds, if a club had a player who was involved in a country's match day squad for eight matches, they will receive €5,241. For national teams which played ten qualifiers, €4,192 is paid out per player and €3,494 is being given if a nation played up to 12 qualifying matches.

For the final tournament, played in Poland and Ukraine in the summer, clubs were rewarded on a per player, per day basis. Scottish clubs received €4,530 on that basis for players who were in a Euro 2012 squad.

Michel Platini, President of UEFA, said: "I am delighted that we are able to provide clubs with financial benefits from UEFA EURO 2012 to reward their contribution to the competition.

"We witnessed a truly fantastic UEFA European Football Championship final round this summer, and I am pleased that the clubs can now also be associated with the event."

FULL LIST OF PAYMENTS TO SCOTTISH CLUBS

Aberdeen €14,675 (£11,707) Celtic €568,226 (£453,325) Dundee United €33,543 (£26,760) Rangers €339,623 (£270,948) Heart of Midlothian €76,520 (£61,046) Inverness Caledonian Thistle €20,964 (£16,724) Kilmarnock €33,543 (£26,760) Motherwell €20,964 (£16,724) Ross County €20,964 (£16,724) St Johnstone €8,386 (£6,690)

But, but, but,... you are dead

Soups123 · 12-09-2012 08:05AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Nine Scottish Premier League clubs, and Rangers, have received a slice of a €100m payout by UEFA for their contributions to Euro 2012.

Celtic will receive the most, €568,226 (£453,325), after having both Mikael Lustig and Georgios Samaras involved in the final tournament. Rangers meanwhile will receive the second highest payment, netting €339,623 (£270,948).

Aberdeen, Dundee United, Hearts, Inverness CT, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, Ross County and St Johnstone have also profited, as UEFA rewards clubs for releasing players to feature in both the qualifying and final stages of the European Championships.

The solidarity payments were made to 575 European clubs, in conjunction with European Club Association.

For the qualifying rounds, if a club had a player who was involved in a country's match day squad for eight matches, they will receive €5,241. For national teams which played ten qualifiers, €4,192 is paid out per player and €3,494 is being given if a nation played up to 12 qualifying matches.

For the final tournament, played in Poland and Ukraine in the summer, clubs were rewarded on a per player, per day basis. Scottish clubs received €4,530 on that basis for players who were in a Euro 2012 squad.

Michel Platini, President of UEFA, said: "I am delighted that we are able to provide clubs with financial benefits from UEFA EURO 2012 to reward their contribution to the competition.

"We witnessed a truly fantastic UEFA European Football Championship final round this summer, and I am pleased that the clubs can now also be associated with the event."

FULL LIST OF PAYMENTS TO SCOTTISH CLUBS

Aberdeen €14,675 (£11,707) Celtic €568,226 (£453,325) Dundee United €33,543 (£26,760) Rangers €339,623 (£270,948) Heart of Midlothian €76,520 (£61,046) Inverness Caledonian Thistle €20,964 (£16,724) Kilmarnock €33,543 (£26,760) Motherwell €20,964 (£16,724) Ross County €20,964 (£16,724) St Johnstone €8,386 (£6,690)

But, but, but,... you are dead

Does this money not go into the same pot that pays the Creditors?

If not its clear the footballing authorities see this 'New' Rangers as the 'Old' Rangers!

Jelle1880 · 12-09-2012 08:58AM

There's a chance that the SPL will keep the money to pay creditors, but that's not sure yet.

And depending on what football authorities you mean it's crystal clear, the SFL know it's still the same club

Dempsey · 12-09-2012 12:00PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Charles Green - "We've never been a member of the SPL"

BOOM!!!

"We bought the titles", "We bought them, we paid for them and nobody is going to take them away from us"

http://soundcloud.com/celticresearch/cg-gms/s-ya9Uz

Remember when he was talking to the BBC about the CVA and the prospect of Rangers being liquidated??

"the history, the tradition, everything that's great about this club is swept aside"

Now he says that he's bought that! I'm off to put a bid in for Andy Murray's Olympic Medal!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19550517

Rangers are to boycott the initial meeting of the Scottish Premier League commission to investigate the club's alleged use of dual contracts.

"The club ceased to be subject to the SPL's rules when it was ejected from its league"

Rangers not being able to satisfy SPL licensing criteria got them kicked out. The SPL shareholders not allowing Rangers share to be transferred to whoever they liked kept Sevco out of the SPL. There is a difference. Also, the SPL can review who they assigned titles to whenever they like and apply changes based on their rulebook whenever they like.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19564493

Former Rangers chairman Alastair Johnston has questioned whether the Scottish Premier League's probe into allegations of dual contracts can be trusted to deliver justice.

"The whole process has been established to satisfy a self-serving agenda by vested interests in the SPL," he said.

"I just can't sit by on the sidelines and watch a miscarriage of justice be activated by a kangaroo court."

"The SFA is the supreme governing body of Scottish football and should invoke its ultimate authority to forestall the inevitable inequity that will ensue if the capital punishment decision is left to the SPL," said Johnston.

"The SFA is complicit in all of this because they have not, at least up until now, had the courage to publicly acknowledge that they either ignored or did not really understand the well-publicised structure surrounding the relationship that Rangers FC had with certain of its players."

So Johnston wants the SFA involved to make it fair....who is he fooling! That wouldn't be because the club secretary during the EBT period is now the president of the SFA?? Rangers fans will berate the SFA till the cows come home but if the SFA get involved and this probe somehow gets derailed then they will all be claiming that justice was served!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19556304

Rangers chief executive Charles Green claims "more than two" Scottish Premier League clubs have used employee benefits trusts.

Green would "rather not say" which other clubs he was aware of that had used EBTs, but added: "I have put my hand up and they should do the same."

Why not name them unless he wants something from the SPL or those clubs.

What has he put his hand up for exactly?? Utter nonsense from Green again.

"Unless the SPL welcome us with open arms why would we go back there," he added.

"Ten clubs voted Rangers out of that league, what makes you think they would want Rangers back in.

"It begs the question will the league still be there in three years' time."

He's really playing up to the mob now!

Again, he's knowledge of league rules and history is distorted like alot of Rangers fans. Rangers unable to satisfy the criteria for an SPL licence is what got them kicked out of the league. SPL clubs voted on allowing Rangers to transfer their share to Sevco, which was rejected.

It begs the question will Charles Green be still at Sevco in 3 years time!

Jelle1880 · 12-09-2012 12:05PM

You really can't help yourself, can you :pac:

Obsessed, still.

As for the question whether Green will still be at Rangers in 3 years: Maybe, maybe not, he never hid the fact that this is a short term something for him.

Dempsey · 12-09-2012 12:11PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

You really can't help yourself, can you :pac:

Obsessed, still.

As for the question whether Green will still be at Rangers in 3 years: Maybe, maybe not, he never hid the fact that this is a short term something for him.

Discussing Scottish Football does interest me alright, you got a problem with that?

Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

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