Paul Ryan selected for Veep

Atlantis50 · 01-09-2012 04:32PM

MadsL wrote: »

We are discussing Ryan. A man who would lie about his marathon time, it was him that came to that. Ryan said he ran a sub 3 hour. That's not fisherman's tall stories, that speaks to his ethics.

"Could you trust a man who would lie about his marathon time 22 years ago? I'm Barack Obama and I approve of this message"

LOL

Seriously though, your focus on this is laughable.

Ryan's claim to have run a marathon in less than three hours is at least more plausible than the following claim:

"There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I’m not coming home to Selma, Alabama." - Barack Obama

He claimed that he was conceived because of the trouble in Selma in 1964. The only problem is he was born in 1961!

MadsL wrote: »

His RNC speech was littered with plain barefaced lies. Not one supporter here has addressed that.

Knock yourself out:

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/30/fact-checking-the-factcheckers-on-ryans-speech/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/fact-checking-the-fact-checkers-heres-a-break-down-of-the-claims-bashing-paul-ryans-speech/

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/083012-624188-so-called-fact-checks-disguise-media-liberal-agenda.htm

Mjollnir · 01-09-2012 04:36PM

Carcharodon wrote: »

Just clicked on this thread and people are discussing Paul Ryans marathon times and whether he lied about it or something, jesus wept, is this what it has come to....

While it's not major, per se, that a candidate for the 2nd most powerful office in the country can, casually and without blinking, just toss out an utterly unbelievable and totally unnecessary lie is something I'd like to be aware of.

Lying like that is on a pathological level. He didn't have to lie, but he did anyway.

Speaks to his character.

Atlantis50 · 01-09-2012 04:38PM

Mjollnir wrote: »

While it's not major, per se, that a candidate for the 2nd most powerful office in the country can, casually and without blinking, just toss out an utterly unbelievable and totally unnecessary lie is something I'd like to be aware of.

Lying like that is on a pathological level. He didn't have to lie, but he did anyway.

Speaks to his character.

In that case you must also be opposed to Obama.

Or do you need to see a list of his lies?

Mjollnir · 01-09-2012 04:57PM

Atlantis50 wrote: »

In that case you must also be opposed to Obama.

Or do you need to see a list of his lies?

Wow. Your powers of observation must be extraordinary.

I'm opposed to Obama as well, genius.

Min · 01-09-2012 04:59PM

MadsL wrote: »

FYP

No you didn't fix any post.

His Uncle and the Uncle's wife were over in 2010 and came to Kilkenny, they found the townsland where Paul Ryan's great great grandfather came from, cloghasty near Graignamanagh.
Paul Ryan’s ancestral roots have been traced back to James Ryan and Catherine Shea, who were married in the parish of Graignamanagh.

Min · 01-09-2012 05:03PM

Mjollnir wrote: »

While it's not major, per se, that a candidate for the 2nd most powerful office in the country can, casually and without blinking, just toss out an utterly unbelievable and totally unnecessary lie is something I'd like to be aware of.

Lying like that is on a pathological level. He didn't have to lie, but he did anyway.

Speaks to his character.

Yet Eamon Gilmore would still probably prefer Obama

MadsL · 01-09-2012 05:07PM

Atlantis50 wrote: »

"Could you trust a man who would lie about his marathon time 22 years ago? I'm Barack Obama and I approve of this message"

Like I said, speaks to his character. Pathological. Why the hell would you lie about something like this when you have just been selected VP and are the party's "truth-teller"? Issue of why discussed here

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/the-real-mystery-of-paul-ryans-marathon-time/261866/

LOL

Seriously though, your focus on this is laughable.

Laughable? There used to be an expression about the being type of men that would cheat at golf. Ryan has just shown himself to be a macho bull****ter. "Yeah, I go to the gym and benchpress a million pounds..."

Ryan's claim to have run a marathon in less than three hours is at least more plausible than the following claim:

"There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I’m not coming home to Selma, Alabama." - Barack Obama

He claimed that he was conceived because of the trouble in Selma in 1964. The only problem is he was born in 1961!

Except Ryan claim is that he did 3hrs50 when he did 4.01 - this quote from Obama even has snopes.com unsure of the varacity of that comment.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/saywhat.asp

Knock yourself out:

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/30/fact-checking-the-factcheckers-on-ryans-speech/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/fact-checking-the-fact-checkers-heres-a-break-down-of-the-claims-bashing-paul-ryans-speech/

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/083012-624188-so-called-fact-checks-disguise-media-liberal-agenda.htm

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Finally.

The amount of weaseling and acceptance of (let say) mistruths and woulda coulda in those articles is telling. Thank you for that. Two blogs, and an 'Investors' journal. Some hard hitting journalism huh?

Liberal Media Agenda, the bogeyman under the bed. Just like "International Communism"...:eek:

Bannasidhe · 01-09-2012 05:12PM

Min wrote: »

No you didn't fix any post.

His Uncle and the Uncle's wife were over in 2010 and came to Kilkenny, they found the townsland where Paul Ryan's great great grandfather came from, cloghasty near Graignamanagh.
Paul Ryan’s ancestral roots have been traced back to James Ryan and Catherine Shea, who were married in the parish of Graignamanagh.

My great great grandfather came from the East End of London - don't mean I have a Cockney connection. I have traced my family back to Yorkshire in the 16th century - doesn't mean I have a Yorkshire connection. I did actually live in London's East End for 6 years and Yorkshire for 4 years - still doesn't mean I have a family connection with these places. Has Paul Ryan ever set foot in Ireland given he is so quick to mention his connection in speeches?

MadsL · 01-09-2012 05:13PM

Min wrote: »

No you didn't fix any post.

His Uncle and the Uncle's wife were over in 2010 and came to Kilkenny, they found the townsland where Paul Ryan's great great grandfather came from, cloghasty near Graignamanagh.
Paul Ryan’s ancestral roots have been traced back to James Ryan and Catherine Shea, who were married in the parish of Graignamanagh.

Ah, tribalism. Alive and well. We get to 'claim' him now is that it. Biden is also of Irish descent, so what?

The point I was making is that Ryan is exactly the type of spoofer you would see on the Apprentice claiming to run marathons in less than 3 hours and go for pints with Ronan O'Gara.

Wait... he did claim to run marathons in less than 3 hours. Spoofer.

MadsL · 01-09-2012 05:24PM

Carcharodon · 01-09-2012 05:31PM

Mjollnir wrote: »

While it's not major, per se, that a candidate for the 2nd most powerful office in the country can, casually and without blinking, just toss out an utterly unbelievable and totally unnecessary lie is something I'd like to be aware of.

Lying like that is on a pathological level. He didn't have to lie, but he did anyway.

Speaks to his character.

Oh come on dude, get a grip, you are clutching at straws here into making this an issue, there are really more important things to be discussing.

And for the record, EVERYONE lies, 100% guaranteed that every president and vice president has lied and exaggerated.
To call him pathological is a bit extreme, that would lump all politicians into the same box.

Would be better to concentrate on all the non truths coming from the republican convention this week, a seriously different level of reality down there.

MadsL · 01-09-2012 05:38PM

Carcharodon wrote: »

Oh come on dude, get a grip, you are clutching at straws here into making this an issue, there are really more important things to be discussing.

This a thread about Ryan. Plenty of other threads with "important' things in them.

And for the record, EVERYONE lies, 100% guaranteed that every president and vice president has lied and exaggerated.

Sure. Nixon famously, and Clinton. But when backed into corners, and not like they were still in high school bragging about what they did at the weekend.

Don't you find it weird that Ryan indulges in barstool braggadocio when a radio mike is put in from of him after he has been selected as VP. He even relishes the "Holy Smokes" by responding "Yes, I was pretty fast when I was younger".

Bizarre.

To call him pathological is a bit extreme, that would lump all politicians into the same box.

Won't be the last lie he'll get caught on in the next six weeks.

Would be better to concentrate on all the non truths coming from the republican convention this week, a seriously different level of reality down there.

There is discussion of Ryan's lies during his speech here, other theads can cover Romney's "non truths" (lies?) and others.

Min · 01-09-2012 06:23PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

My great great grandfather came from the East End of London - don't mean I have a Cockney connection. I have traced my family back to Yorkshire in the 16th century - doesn't mean I have a Yorkshire connection. I did actually live in London's East End for 6 years and Yorkshire for 4 years - still doesn't mean I have a family connection with these places. Has Paul Ryan ever set foot in Ireland given he is so quick to mention his connection in speeches?

Actually it does, it is in your breeding.

Bannasidhe · 01-09-2012 06:29PM

Min wrote: »

Actually it does, it is in your breeding.

No. It doesn't. The DNA I have have inherited from those distant ancestors is so diluted as to be negligible.

Carcharodon · 01-09-2012 08:58PM

MadsL wrote: »

This a thread about Ryan. Plenty of other threads with "important' things in them.

Sure. Nixon famously, and Clinton. But when backed into corners, and not like they were still in high school bragging about what they did at the weekend.

Don't you find it weird that Ryan indulges in barstool braggadocio when a radio mike is put in from of him after he has been selected as VP. He even relishes the "Holy Smokes" by responding "Yes, I was pretty fast when I was younger".

Bizarre.

Won't be the last lie he'll get caught on in the next six weeks.

There is discussion of Ryan's lies during his speech here, other theads can cover Romney's "non truths" (lies?) and others.

Fair enough, whatever floats your boat.

Min · 01-09-2012 10:45PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

No. It doesn't. The DNA I have have inherited from those distant ancestors is so diluted as to be negligible.

Take away any direct lineage and you no longer exist.

So in fact it is far from negligible when you are talking about direct ancestors, if you say they are insignificant and don't matter, well as i said, remove it and you would not exist.

Paul Ryan's great great grandfather from Kilkenny is significant as without him, Paul Ryan would not exist, he is the person who went to the USA which eventually led to a direct relative being a VP choice in the election.

ArtSmart · 01-09-2012 10:49PM

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/?intcmp=obnetwork

Ryan mauled by, wait for it....FOX NEWS.

weird, weird world.

Memnoch · 01-09-2012 11:59PM

Shocked to see Fox publish such an article. Though it's nowhere to be found on the frontpage. Still. I wonder what the fox and GOP faithful think of this. I think the only reason it's really visible is because it's trending. Still. Shocked.

southsiderosie · 02-09-2012 12:43AM

Min wrote: »

Paul Ryan is far more intelligent than his counterpart.

Remember Biden is unable to count or spell, not sure which, he said there was three letters in the word 'jobs'.

Thankfully a Democrat said that and not a Republican...

Biden has a bad case of foot-in-mouth disease, but he is far from stupid. He is one of the most knowledgable people in Washington on US foreign policy.

Min wrote: »

Take away any direct lineage and you no longer exist.

So in fact it is far from negligible when you are talking about direct ancestors, if you say they are insignificant and don't matter, well as i said, remove it and you would not exist.

Paul Ryan's great great grandfather from Kilkenny is significant as without him, Paul Ryan would not exist, he is the person who went to the USA which eventually led to a direct relative being a VP choice in the election.

Substitute "Ireland" for Kilkenny and this describes about 25% of the US population.

Why does this matter, again?

passarellaie · 02-09-2012 11:48AM

Memnoch wrote: »

Shocked to see Fox publish such an article. Though it's nowhere to be found on the frontpage. Still. I wonder what the fox and GOP faithful think of this. I think the only reason it's really visible is because it's trending. Still. Shocked.

And to think the lefties scoff at Fox news imbalance.Anyone reading Karen Colemans piece in yesterdays independent comparing Ryan to Trevelyan with half a brain can see how intolerant the Irish liberal elite have become with anyone who dares oppose their World view.Ryan according to Dr.Mcquaide sorry Coleman is going to export the USs corn while the old die.

Memnoch · 02-09-2012 02:21PM

passarellaie wrote: »

And to think the lefties scoff at Fox news imbalance.Anyone reading Karen Colemans piece in yesterdays independent comparing Ryan to Trevelyan with half a brain can see how intolerant the Irish liberal elite have become with anyone who dares oppose their World view.Ryan according to Dr.Mcquaide sorry Coleman is going to export the USs corn while the old die.

Sorry... this doesn't change the fact that fox news are quite possibly the WORST news channel in the western world. It doesn't change the sheer deluge of lies and misinformation they spew out on a continual basis.

Yes they OCCASIONALLY have the token, 'opposing view,' article from the likes of Juan Williams or the above as well as having the token 'democrat,' on 'the five,' but this doesn't really change or excuse who they are and what they do.

Overheal · 02-09-2012 02:37PM

to be fair i havent given much credence to other networks either. some of the **** i see on msnbc is as bad as some of the **** i see on fox, and the way CNN covered the Treyvon Martin case was a disservice to themselves.

ArtSmart wrote: »

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/?intcmp=obnetwork

Ryan mauled by, wait for it....FOX NEWS.

weird, weird world.

Contributor yes, but apparently not a big fan of Mitt

http://sallykohn.com/

Weird world indeed. I hope they keep her for the lulz

passarellaie · 02-09-2012 03:14PM

Memnoch wrote: »

Sorry... this doesn't change the fact that fox news are quite possibly the WORST news channel in the western world. It doesn't change the sheer deluge of lies and misinformation they spew out on a continual basis..

I dont give Fox any credence whatsoever no more than CNN,RTE,BBC,Sky because they are all simply driving their own agenda.In fact with regard to Europe and North America maybe Al Jazeera is the most reliable.Dont you find it extraordinary that it appears 10000 people marched in a Turkish city yesterday opposing its government support for the Sirian opposition not a word has appeared in the English speaking media.We are being brainwashed by governments and corporations at an appalling level.

Min · 02-09-2012 06:03PM

southsiderosie wrote: »

Biden has a bad case of foot-in-mouth disease, but he is far from stupid. He is one of the most knowledgable people in Washington on US foreign policy.

Substitute "Ireland" for Kilkenny and this describes about 25% of the US population.

Why does this matter, again?

Well the White House is designed by a Kilkenny man, might finally have someone with a connection, a heartbeat away from occupying it.

MadsL · 02-09-2012 07:14PM

passarellaie wrote: »

And to think the lefties scoff at Fox news imbalance.Anyone reading Karen Colemans piece in yesterdays independent comparing Ryan to Trevelyan with half a brain can see how intolerant the Irish liberal elite have become with anyone who dares oppose their World view.Ryan according to Dr.Mcquaide sorry Coleman is going to export the USs corn while the old die.

Interesting.

I found it to be a drooling and cartoon-ish anti-gun piece, with no understanding of the place of guns in American society but you picked up on John Kelly's views about Ryan/Trevelyan.

Mjollnir · 04-09-2012 01:35AM

Carcharodon wrote: »

Oh come on dude, get a grip, you are clutching at straws here into making this an issue, there are really more important things to be discussing.

No, dooood, I'm not trying to 'make this an issue'. I stated why it's of minor interest to me, and you're trying to make more of it than that.

I wonder why that would be, given what I plainly stated.

And for the record, EVERYONE lies, 100% guaranteed that every president and vice president has lied and exaggerated.
To call him pathological is a bit extreme, that would lump all politicians into the same box.

I haven't argued otherwise. What are you babbling about?

Would be better to concentrate on all the non truths coming from the republican convention this week, a seriously different level of reality down there.

I really like mustard.

Carcharodon · 04-09-2012 02:00AM

Mjollnir wrote: »

No, dooood, I'm not trying to 'make this an issue'. I stated why it's of minor interest to me, and you're trying to make more of it than that.

I wonder why that would be, given what I plainly stated.

I haven't argued otherwise. What are you babbling about?

I really like mustard.

, You will not pull me in, enjoy.