4,000 new citizens, a day to celebrate.

purplepanda · 30-08-2012 05:33PM

andrew wrote: »

This whole closed boarders thing is silly anyway. People should be able to live and work anywhere in the world they feel like living.

Tell that to Black South Africans who waited decades for democracy & demcratic rights only to see their living standards driven down since by five million plus illegal immigrants prepared to undercut wages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_in_South_Africa

Immigration is not a race issue as it's depicted by some.

Every country should protect it's citizens future by imposing strict immigration controls, particulally in times of high employment.

Anyone who advocates total freedom of immigrants to settle anywhere they choose worldwide is living in fantasy :pac:

Dum_Dum · 30-08-2012 05:36PM

andrew wrote: »

This whole closed boarders thing is silly anyway. People should be able to live and work anywhere in the world they feel like living.

Places take on a bland homogeneous globalist culture with open borders. Don't remember voting for this.

al28283 · 30-08-2012 05:38PM

Dum_Dum wrote: »

Places take on a bland homogeneous globalist culture with open borders. Don't remember voting for this.

How'd you figure that?

The Saint · 30-08-2012 05:47PM

MaxSteele wrote: »

Too many different clash of cultures. Me and you couldn't head to the U.A.E for a piss up because we choose to could we ? or have a slap up steak meal.

Of course you can get pissed in the UAE. And why would you not be able to have a steak there?

MaxSteele wrote: »

Likewise a muslim couldn't move here, sit outside the local centra and light up a bong filled with opium either.

I'd also doubt you'd find too many Muslims smoking opium since drugs are prohibited in Islam.

Strange post.

wp_rathead · 30-08-2012 05:47PM

purplepanda wrote: »

Perhaps Minister Shatter should follow Israels example of enrichment?

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-06-17/middleeast/world_meast_israel-deports-immigrants_1_illegal-migrants-african-countries-south-sudan?_s=PM:MIDDLEEAST

""Today, the government will begin the operation to repatriate illegal work infiltrators to their countries of origin," Netanyahu said, according to a cabinet communique released by Israel's foreign ministry. "We will do this is an orderly and dignified manner."

Whilst hundreds of thousands of young Irish are leaving their homeland due to unemployment this policy is complete madness :mad:

the irony of Israel doing this

mackg · 30-08-2012 05:48PM

MaxSteele wrote: »

Too many different clash of cultures. Me and you couldn't head to the U.A.E for a piss up because we choose to could we ? or have a slap up steak meal.

Likewise a muslim couldn't move here, sit outside the local centra and light up a bong filled with opium either.

Wait what? Where do I sign up to be a Muslim?

MaxSteele · 30-08-2012 05:58PM

The Saint wrote: »

Of course you can get pissed in the UAE. And why would you not be able to have a steak there?

I'd also doubt you'd find too many Muslims smoking opium since drugs are prohibited in Islam.

Strange post.

n

Maybe in one of those westernized compounds or something but in public I'd say not a chance. Isn't meat and pork forbidden in islam ?

I was in Tunisia years ago on holidays and saw many middle aged men sitting outside local businesses or whatever smoking out of those large vase like bongs.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought opium use was rife amongst many muslim states whether it is or isn't illegal ? Could have been hash not entirely sure.

mackg · 30-08-2012 06:05PM

MaxSteele wrote: »

n

Maybe in one of those westernized compounds or something but in public I'd say not a chance. Isn't meat and pork forbidden in islam ?

I was in Tunisia years ago on holidays and saw many middle aged men sitting outside local businesses or whatever smoking out of those large vase like bongs.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought opium use was rife amongst many muslim states whether it is or isn't illegal ? Could have been hash not entirely sure.

Do you mean a sheesha? They are used for smoking flavoured tobacco, a friend brought me one back from Dubai when he was out there working.

The Saint · 30-08-2012 06:06PM

MaxSteele wrote: »

n

Maybe in one of those westernized compounds or something but in public I'd say not a chance. Isn't meat and pork forbidden in islam ?

There are hotels, bars and nightclubs in the UAE that serve alcohol. It is freely available. Pork is prohibited in Islam but beef is fine.

I was in Tunisia years ago on holidays and saw many middle aged men sitting outside local businesses or whatever smoking out of those large vase like bongs.

MaxSteele wrote: »

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought opium use was rife amongst many muslim states whether it is or isn't illegal ? Could have been hash not entirely sure.

It is flavoured tobacco. There is no high from it, although it is strong and will fcuk your lungs up. You can buy it in specialised tabacco shops in Ireland as far as I know. It's not illegal. It is widely smoked throughout the Arab world and also in Israel.

Mr Trade In · 30-08-2012 06:08PM

Great new members for "Operation Human Shield" if we ever go to War.

Rawhead · 30-08-2012 06:12PM

Pherekydes wrote: »

Any potential Usain Bolts amongst them?

That's the feckin worst thing. All we got from Africa was the Nigerians who are basically the knackers of Africa. They aren't any good at distance running/sprinting or anything really.

Pity that.

We could have done with some Kenyans.

Mod: User banned for this post.

wp_rathead · 30-08-2012 06:18PM

Rawhead wrote: »

That's the feckin worst thing. All we got from Africa was the Nigerians who are basically the knackers of Africa. They aren't any good at distance running/sprinting or anything really.

Pity that.

We could have done with some Kenyans.

..oh good god...

andrew · 30-08-2012 06:19PM

MaxSteele wrote: »

Too many different clash of cultures. Me and you couldn't head to the U.A.E for a piss up because we choose to could we ? or have a slap up steak meal.

Likewise a muslim couldn't move here, sit outside the local centra and light up a bong filled with opium either.

I'm pretty sure you can drink alcohol in UAE, and that Islam and opium aren't a thing. But even if they were, so what. Don't go to UAE if you don't want. and if there are laws against opium here, then respect them.

purplepanda wrote: »

Tell that to Black South Africans who waited decades for democracy & demcratic rights only to see their living standards driven down since by five million plus illegal immigrants prepared to undercut wages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_in_South_Africa

Immigration is not a race issue as it's depicted by some.

Every country should protect it's citizens future by imposing strict immigration controls, particulally in times of high employment.

Anyone who advocates total freedom of immigrants to settle anywhere they choose worldwide is living in fantasy :pac:

Maybe if those Zimbabweans could legally emigrate anywhere in the world, then south africa wouldn't have had such a big problem.

The fact is, if there were no boarder controls, everyone would be economically better off in the long run.

Dum_Dum wrote: »

Places take on a bland homogeneous globalist culture with open borders. Don't remember voting for this.

New York, London, Canada, to name a few places, are anything but bland and homogeneous.

partyatmygaff · 30-08-2012 06:20PM

MaxSteele wrote: »

I was in Tunisia years ago on holidays and saw many middle aged men sitting outside local businesses or whatever smoking out of those large vase like bongs.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought opium use was rife amongst many muslim states whether it is or isn't illegal ? Could have been hash not entirely sure.

They're sheesha pipes for smoking flavoured tobacco. Nearly every country in the Middle East has extremely harsh laws against use of other drugs like opium or hash. Some even impose the death penalty. That said... a few years of sheesha use is a surefire way to absolutely kill your lungs in any case.

30-08-2012 06:22PM

MaxSteele wrote: »

n

Maybe in one of those westernized compounds or something but in public I'd say not a chance. Isn't meat and pork forbidden in islam ?

I was in Tunisia years ago on holidays and saw many middle aged men sitting outside local businesses or whatever smoking out of those large vase like bongs.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought opium use was rife amongst many muslim states whether it is or isn't illegal ? Could have been hash not entirely sure.

As someone who has had the most unholy pissups and tastiest steaks in the UAE, I can tell you your wrong.....

Opium is big around Afghanistan and the like, not something you would see in Dubai/Abu Dhabi.....

And those things aint bongs, they are sheesh pipes for smoking flavoured tobaccos, I brought one home!

SocSocPol · 30-08-2012 06:26PM

MaxSteele wrote: »

n

Maybe in one of those westernized compounds or something but in public I'd say not a chance. Isn't meat and pork forbidden in islam ?

I was in Tunisia years ago on holidays and saw many middle aged men sitting outside local businesses or whatever smoking out of those large vase like bongs.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought opium use was rife amongst many muslim states whether it is or isn't illegal ? Could have been hash not entirely sure.

Meat is not forbidden in Islam, cant think where you got that idea.
Wrong indeed, very few of those bongs you see are used for opium of hash.

SocSocPol · 30-08-2012 06:28PM

Thread was about our new fellow citizens not a debate on east versus west, or Israeli policy on illigeal immigrants!:(

Hande hoche! · 30-08-2012 06:30PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

Thread was about our new fellow citizens not a debate on east versus west, or Israeli policy on illigeal immigrants!:(

So what you're saying is that this thread needs more Sabrina discussion?

MaxSteele · 30-08-2012 06:32PM

Well I was very misinformed !

nacimroc · 30-08-2012 06:43PM

Good on them! Was probably years of jumping through hoops to qualify!

Nodin · 30-08-2012 06:52PM

conorhal wrote: »

I've really tired of this 'culturally enriched' meme that the left perpetrate, many of whom are the very same people that that rather ironically sneer at any and every assertion of indigenous Irish culture.

I've also yet to experience this 'cultural enrichment', or have anybody explain exactly how my life has been 'enhanced’ by it.
Perhaps I have failed to fully appreciate the cultural value of my Eastern European neighbors all night vodka parties and casual knife crime (neighbor stabbed to death a few years ago at a party). Nor does my trip into work feel 'enhanced' by the burka brigade on the bus with their kids and male 'chaperone', in fact I find it somewhat disquieting to have to sit in proximity to somebody wearing a mask and seated next to her bouncer. Nor does half of Nigeria swaggering around the Square where I shop dressed as identikit gangstas in their trackies and chains seem very 'culturally enhancing' either, and I've yet to figure out how the default cultural expression of most Africans in the area appears to be the culture of South Central Los Angeles to which (as far as I can gather anyway) they have no connection.

I get the distinct feeling that those who bang on about 'cultural vibrancy' tend to be the kind of people that turn up at the annual DunLaoghaire 'Festival of Cultures' to eat a samosa, watch some Thai's dance and buy a colorful hat before fecking off back home to Dublin 4, because they sure as hell don't live in the pretty alienating world of vibrant multicultural Dublin that I do.

Awwwww. God love ye.

Cork boy 55 · 30-08-2012 06:56PM

It says 14,000 since last june
How many in last 10 years and where are these people from?

Chuck Stone · 30-08-2012 06:58PM

I do think that immigration should be more selective.

More professionals to drive down the costs of healthcare would be nice.

Less people for the non-skilled areas - there's plenty of competition there.

SocSocPol · 30-08-2012 07:00PM

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

It says 14,000 since last june
How many in last 10 years and where are these people from?

Not sure how many were granted citizenship in the last 10 years, however we do know that the 4,000 who got their citizenship came from 115 different countries, which is great. Maybe at last we are moving towards becoming a forward looking inclusive,melting pot as oppossed to a inward and narrow minded mono ethnic kip.

mackg · 30-08-2012 07:09PM

andrew wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you can drink alcohol in UAE, and that Islam and opium aren't a thing. But even if they were, so what. Don't go to UAE if you don't want. and if there are laws against opium here, then respect them.

New York, London, Canada, to name a few places, are anything but bland and homogeneous.

As I said earlier a friend lived in Dubai for a year working on the construction of some hotel or other and he said you can drink in the bars in the hotels all you like but when you are done get straight in a taxi (they will be right outside the door) and go where you are going, no messing around as that is not tolerated in the least. Another friend who is currently working in Saudi Arabia said that there the only place to drink is in the company compound iirc.

not yet · 30-08-2012 07:23PM

conorhal wrote: »

I've really tired of this 'culturally enriched' meme that the left perpetrate, many of whom are the very same people that that rather ironically sneer at any and every assertion of indigenous Irish culture.

I've also yet to experience this 'cultural enrichment', or have anybody explain exactly how my life has been 'enhanced’ by it.
Perhaps I have failed to fully appreciate the cultural value of my Eastern European neighbors all night vodka parties and casual knife crime (neighbor stabbed to death a few years ago at a party). Nor does my trip into work feel 'enhanced' by the burka brigade on the bus with their kids and male 'chaperone', in fact I find it somewhat disquieting to have to sit in proximity to somebody wearing a mask and seated next to her bouncer. Nor does half of Nigeria swaggering around the Square where I shop dressed as identikit gangstas in their trackies and chains seem very 'culturally enhancing' either, and I've yet to figure out how the default cultural expression of most Africans in the area appears to be the culture of South Central Los Angeles to which (as far as I can gather anyway) they have no connection.

I get the distinct feeling that those who bang on about 'cultural vibrancy' tend to be the kind of people that turn up at the annual DunLaoghaire 'Festival of Cultures' to eat a samosa, watch some Thai's dance and buy a colorful hat before fecking off back home to Dublin 4, because they sure as hell don't live in the pretty alienating world of vibrant multicultural Dublin that I do.

Shush...you can't be saying that. Don't you know we are now a happy,vibrant multicultural nation that we have all agreed to.

cristoir · 30-08-2012 07:24PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I do think that immigration should be more selective.

More professionals to drive down the costs of healthcare would be nice.

Less people for the non-skilled areas - there's plenty of competition there.

That seems fine in theory but many "unskilled immigrants" come to this country to become skilled and end up subsequently making a large contribution to the economy even though upon arrival that would not appear so. Nearly everyone I work with in retail who is a non-national is studying.

I don't what the numbers are here but in the US, Germany and else where a non-national is far more likely to start up a business then a native national.

AnonoBoy · 30-08-2012 07:28PM

brimal wrote: »

Your 'see what I mean' post was referring to Israel's no-nonsense approach to illegal immigrants.

What's wrong with deporting people who are in the country illegally?

Nothing. However sticking it into a post about people becoming legal citizens of Ireland although not explicitly stating it suggests that the person posting it thinks that those people should be deported.

We hadn't been talking about illegal immigrants but yet he thought it relevant to bring it into the thread. Why? It wasn't what we were talking about at all but as per my prediction somebody managed to get in the 'send 'em back where they came from' pretty darn quick.

So once again - "See what I mean!" :pac:

Cork boy 55 · 30-08-2012 07:31PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

Not sure how many were granted citizenship in the last 10 years, however we do know that the 4,000 who got their citizenship came from 115 different countries, which is great. Maybe at last we are moving towards becoming a forward looking inclusive,melting pot as oppossed to a inward and narrow minded mono ethnic kip.

Are you serious?

Ya Ireland 1999 was terrible.

A multi-ethnic country is automatically superior to a largely mono-ethnic one, this is your viewpoint.
Do you consider all largely mon-ethnic countries to be "kips"
So the Dominican republic is superior to south Korea in your opinion?
oh
mono ethnic =/= inward or narrow mined (automatically )
and
melting pot =/= forward looking for example what of all these immigrants where from the most remote part of conservative Afghanistan or Amish (automatically )

You say it is a day to celebrate yet you seem to have no idea where or who these people are or how their will benefit us?
Produce some data.

bodice ripper · 30-08-2012 07:37PM

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

You say it is a day to celebrate yet you seem to have no idea where or who these people are or how their will benefit us?

I have no idea who "us" is or how we'll benefit me either...

4,000 new citizens, a day to celebrate.

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