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The Gay Megathread (see mod note on post #2212)

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  • #1382
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Actor, can I ask are you basing your assertion that sexual gratification is disgusting and sinful on any particular scripture? Or is it perhaps a particular teaching. Where are you getting this from?

    You also said sodomy leads to psychological problems, have you any objective evidence or examples of that?


  • #1383
    Actor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 348 ✭✭Actor


    MadsL wrote: »
    You also said sodomy leads to psychological problems, have you any objective evidence or examples of that?

    It's a well-known fact that homosexuals are prone to mental health disorders.

    Also, there are many passages in the NT that refer to homosexuality as being sinful. Atheists discount the relevance of Scripture, so I haven't brought scripture into the debate. But it's there in black and white for all to see.


  • #1384
    Actor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 348 ✭✭Actor


    doctoremma wrote: »
    You are a scary man. Can you see this makes you no better than the Taliban?

    Do you agree that there are universal human rights?


  • #1385
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Actor wrote: »
    Do you agree that there are universal human rights?

    Do you agree that one of those human rights is the freedom of religion?


  • #1386
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Actor wrote: »
    Do you agree that there are universal human rights?

    Indeed there are . So ?


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  • #1387
    doctoremma
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭doctoremma


    Actor wrote: »
    Do you agree that there are universal human rights?

    No.


  • #1388
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Actor wrote: »
    It's a well-known fact that homosexuals are prone to mental health disorders.

    Also, there are many passages in the NT that refer to homosexuality as being sinful. Atheists discount the relevance of Scripture, so I haven't brought scripture into the debate. But it's there in black and white for all to see.

    I may not believe in the Scriptures but you do and seem to believe that we all should live by them. Yet I can safely say that you too have sinned according to scripture so perhaps you should be more concerned with your own actions and stop judging others.

    Galatians 5:19-21 When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

    As for the mental health comment - 'well known' though you may believe it is, I would prefer to see some evidence. Got any?


  • #1389
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    marienbad wrote: »
    Indeed there are . So ?

    I imagine he is going to say that God's law applies to all humans, not just the ones who believe in it.

    I imagine also he will ignore that it is God's responsibility to punish those who break God's law. "Render unto Caesar" and all that jazz.


  • #1390
    Actor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 348 ✭✭Actor


    Zombrex wrote: »
    Do you agree that one of those human rights is the freedom of religion?

    I asked you first.

    To answer your question, morals are not a matter of opinion. Freedom of belief and non-belief is fine with me. Someone has to make moral decisions though. I'd leave that to experts rather than career politicians whose objective is to stay in power and win votes rather than decipher Truth. The scourge of relativism and individualism on society has done untold damage (e.g. abortion and widespread sexual perversion).


  • #1391
    Sin City
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭Sin City


    Actor wrote: »
    It's a well-known fact that homosexuals are prone to mental health disorders.

    Also, there are many passages in the NT that refer to homosexuality as being sinful. Atheists discount the relevance of Scripture, so I haven't brought scripture into the debate. But it's there in black and white for all to see.

    can you provide evidence for the homosexual mental health point ?


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  • #1392
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Actor wrote: »
    It's a well-known fact that homosexuals are prone to mental health disorders.

    It is also a well known fact that homosexuals are prone to being on the receiving end of bigotry hatred and violence, which contributes to mental health problems such as depression and suicide.

    Good to see that your concern for the mental well being of homosexuals is combating this ...
    Actor wrote: »
    Also, there are many passages in the NT that refer to homosexuality as being sinful. Atheists discount the relevance of Scripture, so I haven't brought scripture into the debate. But it's there in black and white for all to see.

    There are also passages in the Bible that refer to not picking up grapes that have fallen on the ground because this is unholy and you should be as holy as God is (good luck trying to explain that away as a ceremonial law given where it falls in Lev 19).

    And when you get to see God and he punishes you for doing this you can take it up with him. You aren't going to be stopped doing this by the secular government of this country because they don't mind, it does no harm here on Earth even if it condemns your eternal soul by acting in an unholy manner, because it is not the governments responsibility to save your soul.


  • #1393
    Actor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 348 ✭✭Actor


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I may not believe in the Scriptures but you do and seem to believe that we all should live by them. Yet I can safely say that you too have sinned according to scripture so perhaps you should be more concerned with your own actions and stop judging others.

    Galatians 5:19-21 When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

    As for the mental health comment - 'well known' though you may believe it is, I would prefer to see some evidence. Got any?

    Who are you to interpret scripture?

    Also, numbers don't lie.


  • #1394
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Actor wrote: »
    I asked you first.

    To answer your question, morals are not a matter of opinion. Freedom of belief and non-belief is fine with me. Someone has to make moral decisions though. I'd leave that to experts rather than career politicians whose objective is to stay in power and win votes rather than decipher Truth. The scourge of relativism and individualism on society has done untold damage (e.g. abortion and widespread sexual perversion).

    So who is this someone ?


  • #1395
    Actor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 348 ✭✭Actor


    Zombrex wrote: »
    It is also a well known fact that homosexuals are prone to being on the receiving end of bigotry hatred and violence, which contributes to mental health problems such as depression and suicide.

    Good to see that your concern for the mental well being of homosexuals is combating this ...

    Do you have any evidence to suggest that this is the case?


  • #1396
    Actor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 348 ✭✭Actor


    marienbad wrote: »
    So who is this someone ?

    I'd rather live my life in accordance with the teachings of Catholic Church than by pro-abortion politicians such as Mick Wallace and Clare Daly.


  • #1397
    doctoremma
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭doctoremma


    Actor wrote: »
    I'd rather live my life in accordance with the teachings of Catholic Church than by pro-abortion politicians such as Mick Wallace and Clare Daly.

    And what of those who do not wish to live their lives in accordance with the teachings of the Catholic Church?


  • #1398
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Actor wrote: »
    Who are you to interpret scripture?

    Also, numbers don't lie.

    Surely I am one of God's children whether I believe in Him or not?

    Who are you to decide I can't read what is apparently the word of my creator?

    The numbers may not be lying but they are also not here. Let's see some numbers and judge their truthfulness shall we?


  • #1399
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Actor wrote: »
    I'd rather live my life in accordance with the teachings of Catholic Church than by pro-abortion politicians such as Mick Wallace and Clare Daly.

    Is that the best you can do ! I don't live my life according to Mick Wallace either - there are more choices that than :D


  • #1400
    Actor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 348 ✭✭Actor


    doctoremma wrote: »
    And what of those who do not wish to live their lives in accordance with the teachings of the Catholic Church?

    And what of those who do? We must strike a balance that accomodates the majority. If the minority want to live in a secular State, perhaps they should move to Holland where bestiality, prostitution and abortion is rife. That, or lobby for change as they are perfectly entitled to do.


  • #1401
    Actor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 348 ✭✭Actor


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Surely I am one of God's children whether I believe in Him or not?

    Who are you to decide I can't read what is apparently the word of my creator?

    The numbers may not be lying but they are also not here. Let's see some numbers and judge their truthfulness shall we?

    You can read the bible all you want. If you're not qualified, your opinion is moot. Would you take tax advice on a complex issue from some punter on the internet? If you did, you'd look like a fool when audit time came around and wouldn't get any sympathy from Revenue.

    "A systematic review of mental disorder, suicide, and deliberate self harm in lesbian, gay and bisexual people" BMC Psychiatry 2008, 8:70

    Amphetamines are also strongly linked to mental disorders. I'd avoid like the plague. Same goes for bum "sex".


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  • #1402
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    Actor wrote: »
    doctoremma wrote: »
    And what of those who do not wish to live their lives in accordance with the teachings of the Catholic Church?

    And what of those who do? We must strike a balance that accomodates the majority. If the minority want to live in a secular State, perhaps they should move to Holland where bestiality, prostitution and abortion is rife. That, or lobby for change as they are perfectly entitled to do.

    I think you'd find that the majority want to live in a secular state. Theocracy would do Christianity no favours.


  • #1403
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    Actor wrote: »
    And what of those who do? We must strike a balance that accomodates the majority. If the minority want to live in a secular State, perhaps they should move to Holland where bestiality, prostitution and abortion is rife. That, or lobby for change as they are perfectly entitled to do.

    It's a "well known fact" that practising Catholics ARE the minority. Send us a postcard when you get to Amsterdam, won't you?


  • #1404
    Actor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 348 ✭✭Actor


    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    I think you'd find that the majority want to live in a secular state. Theocracy would do Christianity no favours.

    Do you have any evidence to suggest that "the majority want to live in a secular state"? The Catholic Church is pro religious freedom FYI. But is against the tyranny of State-sanctioned secular relativism.


  • #1405
    Actor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 348 ✭✭Actor


    NuMarvel wrote: »
    It's a "well known fact" that practising Catholics ARE the minority. Send us a postcard when you get to Amsterdam, won't you?

    I've been there and visited the wonderful museums. It's an awful pity that the place has been ruined by drug/sex tourists in their quest for smut. It's become such a problem that the "coffee shops" are now only serving locals.

    Also, Catholics are in a minority. 92% of people choose to send their children to Catholic primary schools.


  • #1406
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Actor wrote: »
    I've been there and visited the wonderful museums. It's an awful pity that the place has been ruined by drug/sex tourists in their quest for smut. It's become such a problem that the "coffee shops" are now only serving locals.

    Also, Catholics are in a minority. 92% of people choose to send their children to Catholic primary schools.

    Do they have a choice ?


  • #1407
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    Actor wrote: »
    Also, Catholics are in a minority.

    Well then, you obviously agree that the State shouldn't accommodate your beliefs. Thanks :D.


  • #1408
    Actor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 348 ✭✭Actor


    marienbad wrote: »
    Do they have a choice ?

    I wouldn't send my child to an atheist-run school. I'd sooner home school. If there was such a problem with Catholic education, there'd be people out on the streets protesting. They're not. Therefore one can only assume that the system, as stands, works fine and satisfies the needs of the majority (Catholic; according to the most recent census).


  • #1409
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    Actor wrote: »
    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    I think you'd find that the majority want to live in a secular state. Theocracy would do Christianity no favours.

    Do you have any evidence to suggest that "the majority want to live in a secular state"? The Catholic Church is pro religious freedom FYI. But is against the tyranny of State-sanctioned secular relativism.

    I think you're confusing secularism with atheism. Religious freedom doesn't mean the freedom to impose your religious beliefs on those who don't hold them. I'm glad to live in a secular country where people are free to practice any faith they choose or no faith at all if they so wish.


  • #1410
    Wiggles88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭Wiggles88


    Actor wrote: »
    92% of people were forced to send their children to Catholic primary schools.

    Fixed your post :)


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  • #1411
    pathtohome
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 61 ✭✭pathtohome


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Homosexuality is perfectly natural

    Brian Cowen is perfectly skinny. Two can play at that game.


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