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Do three months of unpaid work or lose your dole: Warning to young jobless in benefit

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  • #2
    xDramaxQueenx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 944 ✭✭✭xDramaxQueenx


    matt-dublin wrote: »
    Why can't we do this here to try and shift some benefit cheats?





    Full Story:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2194967/Do-months-unpaid-work-lose-dole-Warning-young-jobless-benefit-crackdown.html
    why drop it once the person gets to 24? plenty of older benefit cheats too.


  • #3
    phasers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    It is actually a good idea, young people need to gain experience for their CVs and they're working in charitable organisations and stuff rather than Tesco


    Seems like it wouldn't be too difficult to implement either.


  • #4
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    xDramaxQueenx wrote: »
    why drop it once the person gets to 24? plenty of older benefit cheats too.

    There are no benefit cheats anyone not working can't work.Nobody wants to live on a pittance.


  • #5
    up for anything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,791 ✭✭✭up for anything


    matt-dublin wrote: »
    Why can't we do this here to try and shift some benefit cheats?

    If a job is worth doing, it's worth getting paid for.


  • #6
    Overflow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭Overflow


    kneemos wrote: »
    There are no benefit cheats anyone not working can't work.Nobody wants to live on a pittance.

    You can't be that naive, can you ? If I understand your poorly constructed sentence.


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  • #7
    Culleeo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭Culleeo


    kneemos wrote: »
    There are no benefit cheats anyone not working can't work.Nobody wants to live on a pittance.
    We have the future Taoiseach amongst us.

    Vote this man in.


  • #8
    up for anything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,791 ✭✭✭up for anything


    Overflow wrote: »
    You can't be that naive, can you ? If I understand your poorly constructed sentence.

    Why do people in glass houses throw stones? :rolleyes:


  • #9
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Overflow wrote: »
    You can't be that naive, can you ? If I understand your poorly constructed sentence.

    If I understand you right you'r jumping on the Bandwagon and ignoring the fact that when we had jobs for everyone,everyone worked.


  • #10
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    up for anything wrote: »
    If a job is worth doing, it's worth getting paid for.

    Tell that to degree-holding journalism interns that need to work years before their first paid salary - nothing gets handed to you on a plate anymore, unless you're on benefits of course.

    If sitting around and not looking for a job is worth being paid for, I'd prefer some enforced community service for those who aren't showing any initiative in their unemployment. If you're getting paid from people's taxes and not looking for a job whatsoever, you deserve a kick up the ar5e.


  • #11
    Overflow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭Overflow


    kneemos wrote: »
    If I understand you right you'r jumping on the Bandwagon and ignoring the fact that when we had jobs for everyone,everyone worked.

    That's hilarious !!


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  • #12
    ceegee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭ceegee


    kneemos wrote: »
    Overflow wrote: »
    You can't be that naive, can you ? If I understand your poorly constructed sentence.

    If I understand you right you'r jumping on the Bandwagon and ignoring the fact that when we had jobs for everyone,everyone worked.

    Yeah, hence the 0.0% unemployment during the boom...


  • #13
    samina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭samina


    kneemos wrote: »
    Overflow wrote: »
    You can't be that naive, can you ? If I understand your poorly constructed sentence.

    If I understand you right you'r jumping on the Bandwagon and ignoring the fact that when we had jobs for everyone,everyone worked.

    No they didn't, and your ignoring the fact that in families with children, living on the pittance is the same as living on the pittance of a minimum wage.


  • #14
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    ceegee wrote: »
    Yeah, hence the 0.0% unemployment during the boom...

    Pretty much.


  • #15
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    kneemos wrote: »
    There are no benefit cheats anyone not working can't work.Nobody wants to live on a pittance.
    Who will mind the children of the single mothers?


  • #16
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    samina wrote: »
    No they didn't, and your ignoring the fact that in families with children, living on the pittance is the same as living on the pittance of a minimum wage.

    They're not dole cheats,they're just looking after thier famlies.


  • #17
    Stimpyone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭Stimpyone


    Hypothetical case.

    What if a family of five lived on your street. Mammy, Daddy and three young kids. Mammy has a nice 4x4 Daddy has a BMW and a small van for his cleaning business. Only the van is taxed and none of them have an NCT.

    So far this year the family have been on two foreign holidays and the Dads been away for a couple of weekends with the lads.

    Daddy is drawing the dole for himself and his dependants and has been since before the Celtic tiger crash.

    Is he a dole cheat?. Hypothetically of course.


  • #18
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    We were talking about work shy people.


  • #19
    Banjaxed82
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Banjaxed82


    Stimpyone wrote: »
    Hypothetical case.

    What if a family of five lived on your street. Mammy, Daddy and three young kids. Mammy has a nice 4x4 Daddy has a BMW and a small van for his cleaning business. Only the van is taxed and none of them have an NCT.

    So far this year the family have been on two foreign holidays and the Dads been away for a couple of weekends with the lads.

    Daddy is drawing the dole for himself and his dependants and has been since before the Celtic tiger crash.

    Is he a dole cheat?. Hypothetically of course.

    With three kids, and this arsenal of vehicles, I'd say they're more than likely drug dealers.


  • #20
    bhamsteve
    Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭bhamsteve


    Hooray, looks like we're getting the generic dole thread.

    In reply to the OP I can't see why someone who has never paid a stamp and is not in any form of training wouldn't benefit from work experience.
    What about topping up the Dole of someone under 21 if they do 20 hours a week voluntary work?


  • #21
    saiint
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭saiint


    work for 3months unpaid ? me bollochs id go out and beg rather then do that


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  • #22
    bhamsteve
    Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭bhamsteve


    saiint wrote: »
    work for 3months unpaid ? me bollochs id go out and beg rather then do that

    It's not quite unpaid when the state is supporting you though. Maybe just earning a crust?


  • #23
    Conall Cernach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    Call me old fashioned but I believe that if you do an honest days work you should be paid for it. Forcing people to do unpaid work amounts to slavery and it further depresses the economy as there is no incentive to provide paying jobs.


  • #24
    previous user
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭previous user


    How is this article relevant to Ireland, this is being implemented in London.


  • #25
    bhamsteve
    Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭bhamsteve


    Conall Cernach wrote: »
    Call me old fashioned but I believe that if you do an honest days work you should be paid for it. Forcing people to do unpaid work amounts to slavery and it further depresses the economy as there is no incentive to provide paying jobs.

    I'd agree, but on the other hand should someone who has never worked at least display a willingness to work before they can register as unemployed?
    There's litter to be picked, old people to help with shopping, various other community based voluntary work that people could do. I'm unemployed myself at the moment and find joining the queue to sign on soul destroying.


  • #26
    Alaia Late Marlin
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Alaia Late Marlin


    Conall Cernach wrote: »
    Call me old fashioned but I believe that if you do an honest days work you should be paid for it. Forcing people to do unpaid work amounts to slavery and it further depresses the economy as there is no incentive to provide paying jobs.

    you get paid your dole if you work
    you don't get paid your dole if you don't work

    => paid work


  • #27
    carlmango11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭carlmango11


    It's not unpaid work.

    It's not slavery.

    Instead of the Government paying people to do nothing all day they're paying them to work.

    How the flying **** is that slavery. People need to stop living in benefit-land where the dole is a career choice that everyone is entitled to. The world doesn't owe anyone anything and if the taxpayer is going to feed, clothe and house you then why the hell shouldn't you work for it.

    :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:


  • #28
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    kneemos wrote: »
    There are no benefit cheats anyone not working can't work.Nobody wants to live on a pittance.

    Clearly living on a different planet...


  • #29
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Clearly living on a different planet...

    Steer clear of the cliches bud.I think it makes perfect sense to have people work for the dole,even people on the dole would jump at the chance,just look at the waiting list for C.E. schemes.Logistically you would be dealing with a mammonth work force though.


  • #30
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Short-term unemployment benefits are too low in Irl, lower than the USA (50% of former wages), Germany (approx 60-67% of former wages), and many other European countries. So JSB should be increased here, not cut.


    However, the EU/IMF are correct to focus on the open-ended benefits that don't reduce with LT unemployment. After 1yr in Germany, the payment is 359pm or 83pw, plus health ins, plus housing benefit. After 99 wks in the USA, unemployment payments finish.


    So we should abolish JSA ("the dole"), and instead offer jobs to the long-term unemployed. There is plenty of work to be done. I suggest 250pw. This may actually cost more than the current system, but will give the dignity of work.


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  • #31
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Geuze wrote: »
    Short-term unemployment benefits are too low in Irl, lower than the USA (50% of former wages), Germany (approx 60-67% of former wages), and many other European countries. So JSB should be increased here, not cut.


    However, the EU/IMF are correct to focus on the open-ended benefits that don't reduce with LT unemployment. After 1yr in Germany, the payment is 359pm or 83pw, plus health ins, plus housing benefit. After 99 wks in the USA, unemployment payments finish.


    So we should abolish JSA ("the dole"), and instead offer jobs to the long-term unemployed. There is plenty of work to be done. I suggest 250pw. This may actually cost more than the current system, but will give the dignity of work.

    Good idea.


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