Invisible bike helmet!

anniehoo · 15-08-2012 11:35am #1

Very cool....

Ficheall · 15-08-2012 11:44am

What inflates it? Is it some impact, or..?

--Kaiser-- · 15-08-2012 11:51am

A complicated device that relies on sensors and explosive infalation to accomplish what an actual helmet does while inert. Plus I imagine it can only be used once. Plus it will be really expensive. This is the dumbest thing I've heard of in quite a while.

Stupid hippies

anniehoo · 15-08-2012 12:03pm

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

This is the dumbest thing I've heard of in quite a while.

:eek: Whaaaa?? The engineering that went into creating that was unreal. Yeh id say its mega expensive but they've created a compact mobile airbag for cycling...i think its really impressive!!

Frank Spencer · 15-08-2012 12:05pm

What happens if you say lose balance on your bike and fall off? Does it inflate?

CardBordWindow · 15-08-2012 12:09pm

Frank Spencer wrote: »

What happens if you say lose balance on your bike and fall off? Does it inflate?

Your wallet groans!

--Kaiser-- · 15-08-2012 12:12pm

anniehoo wrote: »

:eek: Whaaaa?? The engineering that went into creating that was unreal. Yeh id say its mega expensive but they've created a compact mobile airbag for cycling...i think its really impressive!!

It's fvcking retarded. Can you name one advantage over a normal helmet, apart from that it doesn't mess up you hair?

CardBordWindow · 15-08-2012 12:21pm

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

It's fvcking retarded. Can you name one advantage over a normal helmet, apart from that it doesn't mess up you hair?

- It's easier to carry around. It's more foldable than a helmut so will fit in a bag
- Some people can be self-conscious about wearing a helmut. Sad but true.
- You'll stay cooler whilst cycling, as you've nothing on the top of your head.

The Scratcher · 15-08-2012 12:33pm

http://www.hovding.com/en/faq/

It's nearly €500, and can only be deployed once. It does offer better protection to the side of the head though than a standard bicycle helmet. I quite like it, fair play to the two girls to get funding for a college project like that.

--Kaiser-- · 15-08-2012 12:37pm

CardBordWindow wrote: »

- It's easier to carry around. It's more foldable than a helmut so will fit in a bag
- Some people can be self-conscious about wearing a helmut. Sad but true.
- You'll stay cooler whilst cycling, as you've nothing on the top of your head.

Even if it is more portable, I don't know about you but I wouldn't be happy carrying around an explosive device in a bag

dearg lady · 15-08-2012 12:42pm

current helmets can only be used once too. And so many people don't know how to put them on, rendering them useless. I agree re the prohibitive cost, but interesting nonetheless!

Duggy747 · 15-08-2012 1:33pm

"We're going to save the world"

"It's chicken to be a realist"

Bit heavy handed for an inflatable crash helmet. A lot of trust in that it'll even deploy.

For that price you could buy a seriously well-built helmet. Does it go off even if you just fall off your bike, as in you just trip over a curb, nothing serious?

Victor Meldrew · 15-08-2012 11:08pm

dearg lady wrote: »

current helmets can only be used once too. And so many people don't know how to put them on, rendering them useless. I agree re the prohibitive cost, but interesting nonetheless!

Not all spills off a bike result in the helmet getting a knock. and helmets are cheap and robust. like most things bike related.

There is a whiff of the €3K designer bike about this.

dearg lady · 15-08-2012 11:09pm

Victor Meldrew wrote: »

Not all spills off a bike result in the helmet getting a knock. and helmets are cheap and robust. like most things bike related.

There is a whiff of the €3K designer bike about this.

true, but if it gets even the tiniest bang it should be replaced. Bike helmets are cheap yes, I don't think theyy are particularly robust

dj jarvis · 15-08-2012 11:19pm

Frank Spencer wrote: »

What happens if you say lose balance on your bike and fall off? Does it inflate?

is that not the point , you fall off , it inflates , people get brain injury from just " falling off " bikes

granted will be pricey at first , but once it catch's on it will fall in price

its a very clever idea really , kids dont and wont wear bike helmets because they look ****e , this looks cool and its a ****ing airbag maaaannnnn :cool:

now lets see the motorbike version and ill buy one in a instant
i LOVE the idea of being able to ride a bike with no lid , but when the taxi driver gets ya ( and he will ) bam !!!! the lid inflates - they really could make bucket loads of cash from this

dj jarvis · 15-08-2012 11:21pm

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Even if it is more portable, I don't know about you but I wouldn't be happy carrying around an explosive device in a bag

do you drive a car ? you have at least 6 of them in a confined space .

me, i carry a explosive device in my bags everyday

ScumLord · 15-08-2012 11:24pm

Video is 3:35 minutes long, invisible helmet is on screen for all of 10 seconds. Is this video a promotion for the helmet or the two chicks?

dj jarvis · 15-08-2012 11:26pm

Duggy747 wrote: »

"We're going to save the world"

"It's chicken to be a realist"

Bit heavy handed for an inflatable crash helmet. A lot of trust in that it'll even deploy.

For that price you could buy a seriously well-built helmet. Does it go off even if you just fall off your bike, as in you just trip over a curb, nothing serious?

but everyone is assuming a slight knock will set it off - we dont know that it will
i would imagine that they use the same system as a car , i have bumped into many things in my car and the airbags have never gone off

a lot of money has gone into this - i would wager all these concerns have been answered - anyway you should ALWAYS change a lid when it takes a knock - only a fool does not

as for 3,000k - did someone not say it was 500 euro ? a half decent motorcycle lid cost that so no real killer - as i said - i would get one pronto if they were fool proof and they did them for motorbikes

johnnysmack · 15-08-2012 11:30pm

dj jarvis wrote: »

i would get one pronto if they were fool proof and they did them for motorbikes

cant see them working for motorbikes. you'd hardly be able to see if you were going any decent speed without a visor because of the air speed.

dj jarvis · 15-08-2012 11:33pm

johnnysmack wrote: »

cant see them working for motorbikes. you'd hardly be able to see if you were going any decent speed without a visor because of the air speed.

eh ......... open face lids have been around since the 40's , no visor
i was a motorcycle courier for 13 years and rarely had my visor down , unless it was PISSING rain , you get used to the wind in your eyes real quick

the real problem is fly s and bees in the summer , but seeing we dont get summer in Ireland no problem really

having no visor is no issue , shades or glasses will do nicely

johnnysmack · 15-08-2012 11:35pm

dj jarvis wrote: »

eh ......... open face lids have been around since the 40's , no visor
i was a motorcycle courier for 13 years and rarely had my visor down , unless it was PISSING rain , you get used to the wind in your eyes real quick

the real problem is fly s and bees in the summer , but seeing we dont get summer in Ireland no problem really

having no visor is no issue , shades or glasses will do nicely

ah right, i was thinking open road doing 100kmph. nevermind!

dj jarvis · 15-08-2012 11:37pm

johnnysmack wrote: »

ah right, i was thinking open road doing 100kmph. nevermind!

only 100kmph , you dont drive bikes do you

trust me having no visor is no problem - i done it for years , trust me

from what i have seen in the few seconds its on screen , it has potential

The Scratcher · 15-08-2012 11:37pm

They really shoulda just gone with this design. Same result.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVaDtjStBN0

:pac:

I'd actually consider getting one because I don't wear a cycle helmet at all, can't seem to get one to fit my irregular shaped head. Perhaps Santa might oblige.

dj jarvis · 15-08-2012 11:42pm

slightly off topic

but the EU fu2k wits were pushing for airbags that covered the FULL bike :eek:
i have seen some footage , and it would be lethal , like a golf ball in traffic

thank god they did not push it

now this also has potential

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo9Vlt5tGwY

The Scratcher · 15-08-2012 11:57pm

Some of the riders in motogp use airbags similar to that one. Rossi I know has one, it's fitted into the hump of his leathers.

Here's a video of the other one being tested on a fall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goPMhvgcUq4

stoneill · 17-08-2012 5:59am

This is a fantastically brilliant idea. How many kids have you seen cycling to school with their helmet swinging from the handle bars as soon as they are out of sight of their parents?
How many supposedly intelligent adults do you see on their bikes without helmets.

Cycle helmets are uncomfortable and sweaty - this device answers the big reasons why people don't wear helmets. The price will come down as demand increases.

Guill · 17-08-2012 8:06am

It's not invisible.

Cienciano · 17-08-2012 8:59am

Its a complete pile of shíte imho. You have to charge it, it costs a fortune to buy, costs a fortune if it inflates, wearing something like that around your neck restricts your movement. Looking at the design of the website, looks like its designed for supermodels.

johnnysmack wrote: »

ah right, i was thinking open road doing 100kmph. nevermind!

I regularly drive at 120kph on a motorway with a flip up helmet completely open.
Although, not a chance I'd trust a motorbike version of one of these to deploy when I fall off instead of wearing a normal helmet

the_syco · 17-08-2012 9:07am

From the video, it seems to take two to three seconds to deploy. In a real life situation, this won't work. Also, if you fall off your bike (ice, snow, pothole), will it deploy? I doubt it?

BuzzFish · 17-08-2012 9:11am

Video is slowed down

Guill · 17-08-2012 9:14am

When I was younger (:() I used to ride my bike really fast, like i mean really really fast and then jump off, would this deploy.

Pulling a wheelie, deploy?
Going down steps, bumby hill, speed bumps?

the_syco · 17-08-2012 9:21am

BuzzFish wrote: »

Video is slowed down

If it takes more than half a second, you're dead.
If it fails, you're dead.
If it deploys when not needed, it'll block off your vision to your left and right, and you could get hit when it's deflating.

dj jarvis · 17-08-2012 4:18pm

the_syco wrote: »

If it takes more than half a second, you're dead.
If it fails, you're dead.
If it deploys when not needed, it'll block off your vision to your left and right, and you could get hit when it's deflating.

ok so apply what you have said to a car , the system work's in cars,

it takes less than half a second to deploy ( if its the same as a car, its deployed at over 200mph )

if your car airbag or normal lid fails you are dead , but i presume you trust them ? so why not the same tech used in a new product , these would not be released onto the open market until they have been tested to all safety regulations - do you actually think these would be road legal without proving they work and work every time ???

a motorcycle helmet already blocks your vision right and left , you turn your head

as for deflation , the amount of time it stays inflated is down to the amount of charge it uses - again , ALL this would be sorted before it is for sale to the public - lets face it , if you have these concerns don't you think the manufacturer and investors have already thought of this ?

they would not be able to sell this ANYWHERE without the proper safety regulation and certification - the same people that certify your airbags in your car or your motorcycle helmet , and i presume you trust them ?

Noopti · 17-08-2012 4:51pm

I think it actually looks more ridiculous than a normal helmet.

Fair play to them for pulling it off, but until it is much cheaper I can't see it selling well. Also...in that last video the person slowly falls over on their bike, and it goes off - sure it protects their head from the fall, but it looks like you could bend down to tie your shoe laces and the bloody thing would inflate!

ScumLord · 17-08-2012 5:18pm

It's also not going to help with collisions with low head room objects.

dj jarvis · 17-08-2012 6:21pm

Noopti wrote: »

I think it actually looks more ridiculous than a normal helmet.

Fair play to them for pulling it off, but until it is much cheaper I can't see it selling well. Also...in that last video the person slowly falls over on their bike, and it goes off - sure it protects their head from the fall, but it looks like you could bend down to tie your shoe laces and the bloody thing would inflate!

all shots of the helmet deploying are in slow motion , it actually takes 100's of a second

they have the same sensors in the charge that you car airbags have , your airbags dont go off every time you hit a pot hole do they ?
they also dont go off when you nudge the car in front of you

think of it logically - do you think they would get 10 million in seed money if these question have not been addressed ?
as with any air bag system a sensor set to a range of force/movement will determine if its deployed - so you will be safe to tie your shoes with out it going off

people who are hung up about it being deployed by accident or it not being deployed quick enough should just think car air bag , they work perfectly and this is the exact same system

christ - people have no issue with flying in a 300 ton pressurized alloy tube at 500 mph 36,000 ft off the ground because they trust the systems
why so cynical about this ? the use of this tech has been around for decades , this is just another application of proven systems

[Jackass] · 18-08-2012 7:04am

Not much use if you run into an opened car door or a side swipe to the head from a passing vehicle or falling debris from a truck or hitting a pole or traffic sign...as examples of some city scenarios where this product wouldn't protect you versus a traditional helmet...or in off road cycling, a head on collision into a tree branch.

There's also the danger of an accident at excessive speed, where the inflatable helmet may become shreded or torn before protection is no longer required, such as a face skid followed by a car running over your head...

I'll stick to the old tried and tested, cheers.

If it aint broke....

No need to reinvent the wheel etc....

CardBordWindow · 18-08-2012 10:15am

[Jackass] wrote: »

Not much use if you run into an opened car door or a side swipe to the head from a passing vehicle or falling debris from a truck or hitting a pole or traffic sign...as examples of some city scenarios where this product wouldn't protect you versus a traditional helmet...or in off road cycling, a head on collision into a tree branch.

There's also the danger of an accident at excessive speed, where the inflatable helmet may become shreded or torn before protection is no longer required, such as a face skid followed by a car running over your head...

I'll stick to the old tried and tested, cheers.

If it aint broke....

No need to reinvent the wheel etc....

And a traditional helmet will save you in that situation???

The Scratcher · 18-08-2012 11:36am

It's also not meant for off road cycling!! You'd be pretty stupid to take this thing on a DH race. All of the other scenarios can be easily flipped to make lid helmets appear inadequate, what if something catches the strap and takes the helmet off my head before I hit the ground?

dj jarvis · 18-08-2012 11:44am

[Jackass] wrote: »

Not much use if you run into an opened car door or a side swipe to the head from a passing vehicle or falling debris from a truck or hitting a pole or traffic sign...as examples of some city scenarios where this product wouldn't protect you versus a traditional helmet...or in off road cycling, a head on collision into a tree branch.

There's also the danger of an accident at excessive speed, where the inflatable helmet may become shreded or torn before protection is no longer required, such as a face skid followed by a car running over your head...

I'll stick to the old tried and tested, cheers.

If it aint broke....

No need to reinvent the wheel etc....

you do that - no one is forcing you to do anything
im trying to point out that it can and will work , some people are saying it wont
i dont remember saying it was the be all and end all of cycle safety - just a workable concept - that should not be dismissed by people not actually thinking about it

as for the no need to reinvent the wheel - with that attitude we would be still with horse and cart - because sure that's fine , why change it , it works

you have a grand cycle around the cobble streets of ireland on your penny farthing - while i go on my lightweight multi geared mountain bike with disk brakes and suspension on tarmacked roads
see what im getting at ?

tdawg · 18-08-2012 12:03pm

The problem I see is that it seems to be activated based on impact and a specific venture away from normal cycling activity. If there is a head first impact it can do nothing, I'd also be interested to see how it responds to you simply falling off rather than being involved in an impact.

I think if it is eventually found to be significantly safer than a normal cycling helmet and could be bought at a similiar price-level, then it would be a useful device, still a bit early for them to be claiming it is the finished article.

The video is exceptionally poor in terms of the actual technology, full of philosophical thinking and comes across more so as something to get women involved and interested in engineering.

kylith · 18-08-2012 1:15pm

tdawg wrote: »

The problem I see is that it seems to be activated based on impact and a specific venture away from normal cycling activity. If there is a head first impact it can do nothing, I'd also be interested to see how it responds to you simply falling off rather than being involved in an impact.

I think if it is eventually found to be significantly safer than a normal cycling helmet and could be bought at a similiar price-level, then it would be a useful device, still a bit early for them to be claiming it is the finished article.

The video is exceptionally poor in terms of the actual technology, full of philosophical thinking and comes across more so as something to get women involved and interested in engineering.

I agree, I was quite annoyed that I had to wait until the last few seconds to actually see the product, and there was no discussion of what it's made of, how the protection it offers is greater than a traditional helmet, etc.

Scioch · 18-08-2012 2:17pm

I hope they have made some advancements in some things along the way because their end product is a bit shít.

Its not invisible, doesnt look any better than a regular bike helmet, they just switched helmet with a neck brace and it looks ridiculous when activated, cant be anywhere near as safe or practical or affordable as a regular helmet.

Alot of money wasted on an impractical idea if they are not left with some other route to go down with this.

Cienciano · 18-08-2012 3:50pm

dj jarvis wrote: »

christ - people have no issue with flying in a 300 ton pressurized alloy tube at 500 mph 36,000 ft off the ground because they trust the systems
why so cynical about this ? the use of this tech has been around for decades , this is just another application of proven systems

So, airplanes work, therefore any technology works and should be trusted. Brilliant

Seedy Arling · 18-08-2012 4:14pm

You should wear it in case this happens.

You could also fix it with your glass hammer.

dj jarvis · 18-08-2012 4:32pm

Cienciano wrote: »

So, airplanes work, therefore any technology works and should be trusted. Brilliant

no , any technology that works - works !!!!

so do you fly ? if you do then you trust the technology by default or you would not fly,
the same goes for car air bags , trusted technology because IT WORKS
why in gods name would you trust something that does not work ???

your point is pointless - have a think and get back to us - your adding 2 + 2 and getting potato

[Jackass] · 18-08-2012 5:48pm

CardBordWindow wrote: »

And a traditional helmet will save you in that situation???

Well, it depends on multiple variables, such as speed, weight of vehicle, angle at which helmet meets wheel, type of helmet worn etc., but potentially, I believe it could, yes.

I think the following products have more potential to save lives by being superior to existing technology... (videos on webpages)

http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/smart-takes/a-better-way-to-see-bicyclists-at-night/18672?tag=header;header-sec

and

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1652790707/torch-bicycle-helmet-with-integrated-lights?ref=live

dj jarvis · 18-08-2012 6:40pm

[Jackass] wrote: »

Well, it depends on multiple variables, such as speed, weight of vehicle, angle at which helmet meets wheel, type of helmet worn etc., but potentially, I believe it could, yes.

I think the following products have more potential to save lives by being superior to existing technology... (videos on webpages)

http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/smart-takes/a-better-way-to-see-bicyclists-at-night/18672?tag=header;header-sec

and

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1652790707/torch-bicycle-helmet-with-integrated-lights?ref=live

they both look good !! nice twist on existing systems ,
it ties in with the point im trying to make about people knocking the helmet with having all the information - it may work , it may not but unless its tried to its limit we would never know

and lets face it - majority on here would not have a clue about designing and engineering such a device ( me included ) but see fit to rubbish it from the comfort of their keyboard

me , i will wait and see on this technology - as i have said it has potential
its not a panacea - but who knows , its still in DEVELOPMENT

some just dont understand the concept of development - so lads relax , its not finished yet - keep your powder dry till it is .

Invisible bike helmet!

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