Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception

cloud493 · 12-08-2012 10:39pm

Well he realizes doesn't he? When he's nearly being overwhelmed, before he gets saved by the tribe.

C14N · 12-08-2012 10:50pm

cloud493 wrote: »

Well he realizes doesn't he? When he's nearly being overwhelmed, before he gets saved by the tribe.

Not really though. He only gets saved after a pretty lengthy shootout sequence. In the desert we saw him slowly become weaker and weaker. Controlling him was laborious but I still thought it made a good point because three straight days of intense Syrian sun and no food or water is serious damage. He could barely walk by the time he got to the town. When he finds it though it all just disappears and he's back to climbing up walls and rolling around in seconds which seemed to jar horribly with the previous scenes of Drake's physical and mental deterioration in the desert.

cloud493 · 12-08-2012 11:01pm

Well he's not quite as he was. He's pretty tired. And he acknowledges that hunting for him in a dessert is pretty stupid, and he can't last long.

Magill · 12-08-2012 11:08pm

C14N wrote: »

Why does Drake have no problem killing 600+ guys (on my playthrough) throughout the game but hesitates about killing their boss?

haha, classic action hero stuff.... kills countless soldiers/grunts who are just doing their job without blinking, but gives the real bad guy a second chance. Really annoying.

johnny_ultimate · 13-08-2012 12:31am

Drake as moralistic hero who isn't adverse to mini-genocides isn't a new problem though. Was even more pronounced in the second game. The level in the museum near the start, if I recall correctly, actually went out of its way to comment on how Drake was opposed to murder, and gave you non-lethal weaponry and techniques as a result (he does throw a guy off a really, really high cliff, but he swims away so it's all good!). But then all that mortal combat for the rest of the game. It's the biggest single flaw with Nathan Drake as a character, and damages the narrative consistency of the series.

As I said earlier in this thread, I'd love Naughty Dog to experiment and try and make an Uncharted game without combat. It might be beyond them, but shooting has always been the weak link in these games. Alternatively, comment upon this contradiction within the game itself.

Since many people seem to complain unless a game hits some magical running time (8-12 hours), I doubt we'll ever see Naughty Dog being really bold and inventive, as combat is depressingly the cheapest and easiest way to fluff up a game's length.

C14N · 13-08-2012 8:09am

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

As I said earlier in this thread, I'd love Naughty Dog to experiment and try and make an Uncharted game without combat. It might be beyond them, but shooting has always been the weak link in these games. Alternatively, comment upon this contradiction within the game itself.

Since many people seem to complain unless a game hits some magical running time (8-12 hours), I doubt we'll ever see Naughty Dog being really bold and inventive, as combat is depressingly the cheapest and easiest way to fluff up a game's length.

On this issue I think it's important to bring up The Last of Us. In the first few seconds of seeing it at E3 I thought "Oh great, an Uncharted clone" but as the game went on it became clear that this is a very different and more original game.

From what I have read about it, combat has been massively reduced and ammo is scarce. A lot of the time it will be prudent to use stealth and by that I mean actual stealth, not staying in the rear 180° of you enemies and killing them all like that because they will hunt you down if guys go missing. It will only be possible to take down very small groups of enemies instead of dozens at a time due to ammo shortage and lack of regenerating health or a pause menu that lets you heal.

On top of that the ability to kill enemies seems far more consequential. I don't know exactly how they did it but killing a person looks like killing a person, not shooting a humanoid target like in Uncharted.

mystic86 · 15-11-2013 4:47am

New Uncharted game announced for PS4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SnJPTkrD7o

With the content of the clip and the fact that it's just 'Uncharted' without any number or further name descriptions in the title I would put a lot of money on this being a prequel to 'Uncharted: Drake's Fortune'....

biggebruv · 15-11-2013 1:29pm

mystic86 wrote: »

New Uncharted game announced for PS4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SnJPTkrD7o

With the content of the clip and the fact that it's just 'Uncharted' without any number or further name descriptions in the title I would put a lot of money on this being a prequel to 'Uncharted: Drake's Fortune'....

NNOOOOOOOOOO please dont say that im reallly not into prequels

plus uncharted golden abyss on the vita was a prequel I think

NotorietyH · 15-11-2013 1:38pm

I'd say they're just dropping numbers and going with subtitles. Like Killzone.

NotorietyH · 15-11-2013 2:30pm

Ooh, something really interesting, that actually has me more interested in it, that it seems like it is a prequel, but it's not Nathan Drake, it's Sir Francis Drake. Naughty Dog have only referred to 'Drake' never mentioning Nathan, and the island in the map relates to the Libertalia and Francis Drake. It was a pirate haven the island or something like that.

tok9 · 15-11-2013 2:33pm

Ya I agree with NotorietyH... I also reckon it's a sign that it's a long way off.

NotorietyH · 15-11-2013 3:06pm

Ha I actually forgot that the first Uncharted had a subtitle, Drake's Fortune, so this one is probably just called Uncharted.

Robert ninja · 16-11-2013 3:12am

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Drake as moralistic hero who isn't adverse to mini-genocides isn't a new problem though. Was even more pronounced in the second game. The level in the museum near the start, if I recall correctly, actually went out of its way to comment on how Drake was opposed to murder, and gave you non-lethal weaponry and techniques as a result (he does throw a guy off a really, really high cliff, but he swims away so it's all good!). But then all that mortal combat for the rest of the game. It's the biggest single flaw with Nathan Drake as a character, and damages the narrative consistency of the series.

As I said earlier in this thread, I'd love Naughty Dog to experiment and try and make an Uncharted game without combat. It might be beyond them, but shooting has always been the weak link in these games. Alternatively, comment upon this contradiction within the game itself.

Since many people seem to complain unless a game hits some magical running time (8-12 hours), I doubt we'll ever see Naughty Dog being really bold and inventive, as combat is depressingly the cheapest and easiest way to fluff up a game's length.

I find this really interesting and I notice this attitude from fans of the series and people who generally like Drake and the people he surrounds himself with. Maybe I'm completely wrong but not once did I think I was playing as a good guy in these games - I think Nathan Drake and most of the people he associates himself with to be bad or neutral... they're bad guys, they steal stuff that doesn't belong to them or simply feel entitled to it and they also kill a lot of people.

I think Drake's personality is meant to make him very likable as well as Sully's, but I honestly just see it as bat**** insane and creepy when he does a total turn around and shows mostly no mercy to anyone who passes him. He seems cavalier with the lives of his friends and his own just for the sake of adventure and his own ego and manages to conjure up a hundred different excuses as to why he just has to do it - emotionally manipulating his friends into going along with it.

Maybe I'm reading into it too much... but I don't think I can ever see Drake or his team as anything but murdering, thieving lunatics. You can point to that time when Drake tries to save Marlowe(from a fate he doomed her to), but you can see he just fell for the same emotionally manipulative tactics he subjects his friends to. I doubt he even did it out of empathy - it was likely for selfish reasons as usual probably more so to convince himself that he's a good person and sleep better at night... telling himself he's the good guy.

I could go on about how he's no better than all the 'villains' he comes into contact with but I've said enough and probably angered enough people :P

So I'll just wait here for people to tell me why I'm wrong.

Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception

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