Men-emasculated by 50 shades ?

ibarelycare · 08-08-2012 03:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually I've noticed that most of the people slating it - haven't actually read it, be they male or female.

I considered reading it, to see what all the fuss is about. But I think I'd rather just actually watch some porn thanks.

Yep, exactly the same with the Twilight books. I've had people say to me before "I can't believe you read Twilight, that's so sad" or something along those lines, but at least I'm the one who's qualified to slag them off, whereas the people who haven't read them and slag them off are just being sheep

hatrickpatrick · 08-08-2012 03:21PM

If lads are too scared to try out a little BDSM.... Well actually that doesn't surprise me too much in "post Catholic Ireland" :P

Sala · 08-08-2012 03:21PM

Is 50 shades just a Dan Brown moment where the hype gets out of control? I intend to read it although I haven't got around to it (never got around to reading Dan Brown either!) just so I know what everyone is talking about. Anyone I know who has read it said it was very badly written.

super_furry · 08-08-2012 03:22PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

If lads are too scared to try out a little BDSM.... Well actually that doesn't surprise me too much in "post Catholic Ireland" :P

This post

The point

Diapason · 08-08-2012 03:23PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

If lads are too scared to try out a little BDSM.... Well actually that doesn't surprise me too much in "post Catholic Ireland" :P

Criticising a novel for being badly-written = too scared to try BDSM.

I see.

08-08-2012 03:23PM

ibarelycare wrote: »

Yep, exactly the same with the Twilight books. I've had people say to me before "I can't believe you read Twilight, that's so sad" or something along those lines, but at least I'm the one who's qualified to slag them off, whereas the people who haven't read them and slag them off are just being sheep

I read, and will happily admit that I enjoyed, all of the twilight books. Yeh they're badly written, and she could do with coming up with a few more verbs and adjectives, but they were my guilty pleasure!!

Shivers26 · 08-08-2012 03:28PM

Sala wrote: »

Is 50 shades just a Dan Brown moment where the hype gets out of control? I intend to read it although I haven't got around to it (never got around to reading Dan Brown either!) just so I know what everyone is talking about. Anyone I know who has read it said it was very badly written.

Yes, pretty much. I'd never even heard of them before and in June a girl I was working with told me about it and I've heard of nothing else since! Word of mouth advertising at its best.

You should just read them anyway and judge for yourself. I know loads who did actually like them.

They are quite badly written. Punctuated with emails and text messages, that just gets annoying and very little character development (so far!)

Shivers26 · 08-08-2012 03:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I read, and will happily admit that I enjoyed, all of the twilight books. Yeh they're badly written, and she could do with coming up with a few more verbs and adjectives, but they were my guilty pleasure!!

I'll come out of the closet seeing as you went first. I did actually quite like the Twilight books.

I wanted to die of embarrassment watching the movies though, especially that last one.

Sea Filly · 08-08-2012 03:57PM

Bad Panda wrote: »

Honestly, I don't recall the jealousy accusation by men on here, but I'm sure it happens too.

My point is that when it comes to sex/looks related it's usually women throwing it around to feel somewhat empowered.

Not in my experience!

Feeona · 08-08-2012 03:58PM

I haven't read the books at all but I have been surprised by the type of disdain some men have for them. They're just books. It reminds me of the disdain some men have for Sex and the City. I think there is a particular type of man who does not like to see women enjoying the same things he enjoys himself, puts them on a more equal footing in his own mind. These type of people still exist unfortunately :eek:. 'Closet chauvinists' I call them.

Sea Filly · 08-08-2012 04:01PM

Dangerous Man wrote: »

My GF read all three books. She said the first two were garbage but the last one wasn't bad

Why did she keep reading to the third book?

Wompa1 · 08-08-2012 04:02PM

I don't think I'm jealous..Maybe I am. 50 Shade of Grey is just another girls fad that somehow gets pushed to the forefront of pop culture and like it or not you're going to hear about it. It helped inspire my little blog. How Girls Are Destroying the World. Read it, won't you?

http://thecityfathers.com/2012/08/08/how-girls-are-destroying-the-world/

Duggy747 · 08-08-2012 04:03PM

It's hilariously awful (from the extracts I've seen) and every girl I know who've read it have said it's horrifically written.

I've actually never heard criticism from men, moreso women who are insulted that this is the kind of literature their gender is assumed to be only interested in.

Honestly, I could've wrote a better story and posted it up on a BDSM site.

Feeona wrote:

It reminds me of the disdain some men have for Sex and the City. I think there is a particular type of man who does not like to see women enjoying the same things he enjoys himself, puts them on a more equal footing in his own mind

No, SATC was just materialistic shìte no matter who watched it.

Sea Filly · 08-08-2012 04:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually I've noticed that most of the people slating it - haven't actually read it, be they male or female.

Well, I've personally read some excerpts, I wouldn't criticise it if I hadn't.

Bad Panda · 08-08-2012 04:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I read, and will happily admit that I enjoyed, all of the twilight books. Yeh they're badly written, and she could do with coming up with a few more verbs and adjectives, but they were my guilty pleasure!!

I don't see what the problem is. Everyone has guilty pleasures. Mine are crap horror movies.

Why aren't people getting up on their high horse about all the poorly written films and tv shows we enjoy?

Oh that's right, 50 shades is in. Hi-ho silver!

Sea Filly · 08-08-2012 04:05PM

ibarelycare wrote: »

Yep, exactly the same with the Twilight books. I've had people say to me before "I can't believe you read Twilight, that's so sad" or something along those lines, but at least I'm the one who's qualified to slag them off, whereas the people who haven't read them and slag them off are just being sheep

You can read excerpts though, to give you a feel for a book. You don't have to read the whole thing to slate it! Indeed, why would you read the whole thing if you think it's terrible?

Sea Filly · 08-08-2012 04:07PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

If lads are too scared to try out a little BDSM.... Well actually that doesn't surprise me too much in "post Catholic Ireland" :P

Well the book demonstrates that the author knows feck all about the subject so not liking it tells you nothing about Irish men and their predilections. :cool:

Sea Filly · 08-08-2012 04:08PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

I don't think I'm jealous..Maybe I am. 50 Shade of Grey is just another girls fad that somehow gets pushed to the forefront of pop culture and like it or not you're going to hear about it. It helped inspire my little blog. How Girls Are Destroying the World. Read it, won't you?

http://thecityfathers.com/2012/08/08/how-girls-are-destroying-the-world/

No thanks! :cool:

stovelid · 08-08-2012 04:09PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

Why did she keep reading to the third book?

Must be desperate for any type of a ride.

Joey the lips · 08-08-2012 04:11PM

No problem with me. i just wish i was tied up whipped and what every ana got done to her...

I am def submissive when it comes to kinky ****.

ibarelycare · 08-08-2012 04:11PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

You can read excerpts though, to give you a feel for a book. You don't have to read the whole thing to slate it! Indeed, why would you read the whole thing if you think it's terrible?

Because I was interested to see how the story would progress.

08-08-2012 04:12PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

Well, I've personally read some excerpts, I wouldn't criticise it if I hadn't.

The people I'm talking about have never even seen the book, let alone read excerpts!

08-08-2012 04:16PM

I was listening to the radio recently and they were discussing the latest Big Wet Asses DVD release. Oh wait, they weren't actually.

Sea Filly · 08-08-2012 04:18PM

ibarelycare wrote: »

Because I was interested to see how the story would progress.

I read a book firstly for the writing, so I couldn't do that.

foxyboxer · 08-08-2012 04:19PM

I haven't read it and don't plan on reading it. Believe me, I picked up a copy of Twilight in Waterstones once and read a page. If it's anything like that purple prose sh1te then allow me to draw an analogy with Films.

Box Office receipts are no reflection on the actual quality of the film in question. When something like Transformers: Dark of the Moon can gross over a billion dollars at the box office and considering how sh1t that film is, I can only surmise that the insane popularity of 50 SOG can be likened to that of the Transformers film.

People don't want to think, and from reviews i've read of 50 SOG it sounds like a 'open the book, turn off your brain, close the book' kind of read. Just like the Transformers film.

ibarelycare · 08-08-2012 04:22PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

I read a book firstly for the writing, so I couldn't do that.

Well good for you

cynder · 08-08-2012 04:23PM

Tbh, I find the sex pretty mild, not at all BDSM, it's pretty normal stuff minus the use of a anal beads, butt plug, nipple clamps, crop and flogger, who hasn't tried handcuffs or been tied up? Ok maybe not everyone gets the Chance to use an elevator for extra activities but thats not BDSM.

I read the book just as it was getting popular about 3 months ago, too much sex in the first book but I wanted to find out why grey was the way he was so read the other 2 books. They had less sex and more of a story line.

The sex scenes themselves were nothing to shout about, never got my blood racing. I found they were somewhat repetitive, the language used was far from erotic...

The controlling behavior - well it's only a book. I didnt find it glorified. She tamed him a little.

ibarelycare · 08-08-2012 04:34PM

cynder wrote: »

The controlling behavior - well it's only a book. I didnt find it glorified. She tamed him a little.

The worrying thing is that people will actually use this book as a guideline for future relationships. They'll find hope in it that they can change an emotionally and (arguably) physically abusive person. The book downplays that so much. He's not some "bad guy" with a hint of danger that women should get excited about. He's manipulative, controlling and possessive. It's completely and utterly unrealistic and dangerous for women to think they can change someone like that.

08-08-2012 04:41PM

ibarelycare wrote: »

The worrying thing is that people will actually use this book as a guideline for future relationships. They'll find hope in it that they can change an emotionally and (arguably) physically abusive person. The book downplays that so much. He's not some "bad guy" with a hint of danger that women should get excited about. He's manipulative, controlling and possessive. It's completely and utterly unrealistic and dangerous for women to think they can change someone like that.

From the bits I've read I'd find any woman who took any inspiration from the book very boring both sexually and intellectually.

Dangerous Man · 08-08-2012 04:44PM

It is a work of fiction - a novel - not a self-help book. If women use this as inspiration to help them in their daily lives, they are already beyond helping.

Men-emasculated by 50 shades ?

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