To report, or not report. That is the quistion.

Sminkypinky · 07-08-2012 11:46PM

jimthemental wrote: »

I don't see that much of a problem with it myself unless all the young crowd were plastered. As a barman I always checked ID but I also grew up in an area where there was no social life outside GAA and drink so I don't think a few young lads going for pints is as bad as a bunch of teenage pregnancies around the place.

Yes, but don't you think that there may be a connection between giving alcohol to under-age people and teenage pregnancies?;)

Tombi! · 07-08-2012 11:47PM

If the owner knew they were underage he can be closed down (AFAIK) so don't report him but to point out that they were under 18. Not in a smart arse way or anything.

BUBBLE WRAP · 07-08-2012 11:54PM

LordSmeg wrote: »

Report it. Turning a blind eye every now and again I wouldnt mind but if he's hell bent on serving kids to line his pocket then fcuk him, he has no business running a pub.

Dravokivich wrote: »

In the op you said the place was burnt down and they served from tents. Now someone legitimately refused to serve and was unfairly dismissed?

Feck that the kids are getting served, if you ain't spinning a yarn here the owner is a cowboy ted.

humbert wrote: »

Report it if you think it's ethically wrong. Understand in your own mind why you think it's wrong.

The legality of it really doesn't matter.

Kirby wrote: »

He sent a member of staff home for refusing to serve under age punters?

The discussion ends there. Report him. The fecker deserves everything he gets. Thats a scummy thing to do. I hope she reported him herself.

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

If the owner knew they were underage he can be closed down (AFAIK) so don't report him but to point out that they were under 18. Not in a smart arse way or anything.

These are the only posts that really made sence. What makes it worse is, The people that were in favor of underage drinking, where the posters that I really looked up to and I thought they where good contributers to the forums. Ah well... :rolleyes:

Edit: I dont know how I missed this. Great post BTW.

TheChizler wrote: »

You're saying that she was sent home for refusing to serve to under 18 year olds? Personally I wouldn't report them for serving the odd pint as long as they weren't getting pissed or anything, but if the owner is punishing his own staff for refusing to break the law, and opening themselves (the bar staff) to prosecution, then that would be reason enough for a call from me.

Yup thats exactly it.

TheChizler · 07-08-2012 11:56PM

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

These are the only posts that really made sence. What makes it worse is, The people that were in favor of underage drinking, where the posters that I really looked up to and I thought they where good contributers to the forums. Ah well... :rolleyes:

I feel personally insulted that mine was neglected... Sniff...

cruais · 07-08-2012 11:59PM

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

The owner never even asked for I.D. as he knew them well. there was a female bartender there as well. who asked for I.D. She then refused to serve them and was sent home. By the owner.

But back to your point.
I think its an uttar disgraceful for a bartender to serve anyone under the age of 18.

Is it because your just recently legal to drink yourself that you now class yourself as an auld lad and anyone younger than you (barely) are now kids?

Get off your high horse and stop being a kill joy!

BUBBLE WRAP · 08-08-2012 12:02AM

TheChizler wrote: »

I feel personally insulted that mine was neglected... Sniff...

Sorry I missed that, But ya, the only way I can describe the other posts are cringeworthy....

brummytom · 08-08-2012 12:04AM

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Sorry I missed that, But ya, the only way I can describe the other posts are cringeworthy....

When did you (if ever) start drinking yourself, OP?

BUBBLE WRAP · 08-08-2012 12:06AM

cruais wrote: »

Is it because your just recently legal to drink yourself that you now class yourself as an auld lad and anyone younger than you (barely) are now kids?

Get off your high horse and stop being a kill joy!

I just hate to see owners of pubs ect. break the law just so they have a bit of extra money.

Also do you encourage under age drinking offen? Or are you one of these coolers that buy children beer. Just to be looked up to? :rolleyes:

Martyn1989 · 08-08-2012 12:09AM

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Il go to the barman a tell him it was me. As long as he learns his lesson, thats all that I care about.

Who are you to teach people lessons? You sound very self-righteous, you must be great craic. I'd also wager that theres no way your going to approach that barman and tell him you reported him. Sounds like they slacked the rules a little for an event for the community and your trying to ruin it for everyone.

On a side note I work as a barman and Ill never serve under 18s, mainly because they are prone to having one too many and annoying everyone else, no-point letting three youths with no money drive out countless adults.

BUBBLE WRAP · 08-08-2012 12:10AM

brummytom wrote: »

When did you (if ever) start drinking yourself, OP?

Well growing up with an alcoholic grandfather, I seen the damage that alcohol can cause to both the individual and the family. So I dont drink very offen. Just the odd one or two beers during the weekend.

cruais · 08-08-2012 12:13AM

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

I just hate to see owners of pubs ect. break the law just so they have a bit of extra money.

Also do you encourage under age drinking offen? Or are you one of these coolers that buy children beer. Just to be looked up to? :rolleyes:

I don't see anything wrong with a 17 year old having a pint. Theres worse things for a 17 year old to be getting up to! :rolleyes:

And no, I don't by children beer, for the only children I'm close to are my nieces and nephews, with the oldest of them being ten!

But I still think your a kill joy!

BUBBLE WRAP · 08-08-2012 12:18AM

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

So I was at a local fund raiser two days ago, in the local pub. I seen the barman (owner) serving youths alcoholic beverages. (None of their parent were at it.) Which included beer ect. The pub burned down last week. But they had a tent kinda thing in its place at the funraiser. One of the youths inparticular is sold alcoholic beverages on a regular basis. (He is in the pub every secound day.) (Im not one of them youths as im 19.:D) So should I report the owner?

Martyn1989 wrote: »

Who are you to teach people lessons? You sound very self-righteous, you must be great craic. I'd also wager that theres no way your going to approach that barman and tell him you reported him. Sounds like they slacked the rules a little for an event for the community and your trying to ruin it for everyone.

On a side note I work as a barman and Ill never serve under 18s, mainly because they are prone to having one too many and annoying everyone else, no-point letting three youths with no money drive out countless adults.

Did you read the bold part of the OP?

And this "youth" I talk about does be in the pub form about 11 in the morning to 7 in the morning. Unless he runs out of money, in that case he is told that he is not wanted.

TheChizler · 08-08-2012 12:20AM

cruais wrote: »

I don't see anything wrong with a 17 year old having a pint. Theres worse things for a 17 year old to be getting up to! :rolleyes:

And no, I don't by children beer, for the only children I'm close to are my nieces and nephews, with the oldest of them being ten!

But I still think your a kill joy!

I think the issue was that they were as young as 15 and getting pissed. Also the bartender was sent home for not breaking the law.

BUBBLE WRAP · 08-08-2012 12:20AM

cruais wrote: »

I don't see anything wrong with a 17 year old having a pint. Theres worse things for a 17 year old to be getting up to! :rolleyes:

And no, I don't by children beer, for the only children I'm close to are my nieces and nephews, with the oldest of them being ten!

But I still think your a kill joy!

Thats your opinion, Not that I care.

Real Life · 08-08-2012 12:21AM

OP sounds like great fun

Vicar in a tutu · 08-08-2012 12:21AM

What kinda pub opens from 11 in the morning till 7 the next?, is it an early house? .. you didnt mention this in your op..

TheChizler · 08-08-2012 12:22AM

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

And this "youth" I talk about does be in the pub form about 11 in the morning to 7 in the morning. Unless he runs out of money, in that case he is told that he is not wanted.

I'd actually be in favour of practical laws that ban this practice with everybody. Completely taking advantage of a person's dependence on alcohol. Maybe that's not what happens in this case but it does happen.

BUBBLE WRAP · 08-08-2012 12:26AM

Martyn1989 wrote: »

Who are you to teach people lessons? You sound very self-righteous, you must be great craic. I'd also wager that theres no way your going to approach that barman and tell him you reported him. Sounds like they slacked the rules a little for an event for the community and your trying to ruin it for everyone.

On a side note I work as a barman and Ill never serve under 18s, mainly because they are prone to having one too many and annoying everyone else, no-point letting three youths with no money drive out countless adults.

Why dont you "Slack" the rule as you call it?

One thing I dont get though. I sound "self-rouhteous" ect. But you dont serve under 18s.? So what makes it OKAY, for this pub to sell alcohol to under age children. but you "will never serve under 18s".... :rolleyes:

BUBBLE WRAP · 08-08-2012 12:29AM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

What kinda pub opens from 11 in the morning till 7 the next?, is it an early house? .. you didnt mention this in your op..

I really didnt see the point in putting it in the OP...

Martyn1989 · 08-08-2012 12:30AM

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Did you read the bold part of the OP?

And this "youth" I talk about does be in the pub form about 11 in the morning to 7 in the morning. Unless he runs out of money, in that case he is told that he is not wanted.

I did read it, but you want to report them for the fundraiser, not this. How do you know hes in there that much? How do you know hes not 18?

In answer to your OP I don't think you should report them, it seems that on that occasion they where serving the lads a few drinks at a special event, so long as it was under control its ok in my book.

Granted the legal drinking age is 18 because people are deemed to be mature enough to make informed decisions by that age, but the truth is that there are tons of adults out there who are not mature enough to make their own decisions.

brummytom · 08-08-2012 12:32AM

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Well growing up with an alcoholic grandfather, I seen the damage that alcohol can cause to both the individual and the family. So I dont drink very offen. Just the odd one or two beers during the weekend.

I'm sorry to hear about your Grandfather, can't have been easy.

But even so, you didn't actually answer my question. Even if you weren't drinking before the age of 18, I'd be amazed if none of your friends were. Why did you not report those who served them?

BUBBLE WRAP · 08-08-2012 12:33AM

Real Life wrote: »

OP sounds like great fun

Do I know you? :rolleye:

Edit: :pac: just read the user name.. LOL, just because you have "life" in your user name dosnt mean you have a life....

Vicar in a tutu · 08-08-2012 12:35AM

Ah but you should of.. you have a point, He clearly abuses it something else.. His parents must know? No parent could over look their child spending that much time in the pub, They have as much responsibility as the barman.

Martyn1989 · 08-08-2012 12:37AM

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Why dont you "Slack" the rule as you call it?

One thing I dont get though. I sound "self-rouhteous" ect. But you dont serve under 18s.? So what makes it OKAY, for this pub to sell alcohol to under age children. but you "will never serve under 18s".... :rolleyes:

I think its ok to bend the rules for a community event but not on a regular night. I told you why I dont slack the rule, because they have a few too many and drive out adults, no-one wants to bring their girlfriend out for a drink and sit next to 4 cackling spotty schoolboys trying to look down her top.

The difference is you where at a community fundraiser held in a pub, not having a pint in said pub on a Wednesday after work.

Oh and your use of this :rolleyes: made you seem even more self-righteous

TheChizler · 08-08-2012 12:38AM

Never mind this lad, I'd be concerned about the 15 year olds doing it. Do they 'only have the one' (meaning three) or do they drink a substantial amount? How often?

BUBBLE WRAP · 08-08-2012 12:41AM

brummytom wrote: »

I'm sorry to hear about your Grandfather, can't have been easy.

But even so, you didn't actually answer my question. Even if you weren't drinking before the age of 18, I'd be amazed if none of your friends were. Why did you not report those who served them?

Oh took your post up wrong. Em no I didnt, never really had interest in drink. When you see a loved one in that frame of mind because of drink and rune there life. It was something that I never wanted anything to do with. But once I turned 18 I went out on soft drinks ect. But most of the time I rather, not to drink as it brings back the memeries I try to forget.

Oscar Bravo · 08-08-2012 12:44AM

OP sounds like one of these ones thats goes to a pub and watches everyones business but their own.You see,if it doesnt concern you,dont worry about. op,u have your 3 glasses and go home and read what people are up in court in the local newspaper.You will probably be out Xmas eve looking for a free one....

BUBBLE WRAP · 08-08-2012 12:44AM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

Ah but you should of.. you have a point, He clearly abuses it something else.. His parents must know? No parent could over look their child spending that much time in the pub, They have as much responsibility as the barman.

I can tell you, the parent know nothing. The barman is delighted to see him coming in the door. He tells the parent he is going to work with a neighbour.

brummytom · 08-08-2012 12:45AM

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Oh took your post up wrong. Em no I didnt, never really had interest in drink. When you see a loved one in that frame of mind because of drink and rune there life. It was something that I never wanted anything to do with. But once I turned 18 I went out on soft drinks ect. But most of the time I rather, not to drink as it brings back the memeries I try to forget.

That's understandable.

However, just because you've seen someone ruined by drink doesn't mean it's evil. If anything, removing the taboo of alcohol at a young age could prevent people from binging on it in their later years.

I'm not trying to claim the barman had some noble aim - he wanted to make a few euro, the lads wanted a drink. It was mutually beneficial. But Ireland/the UK's attitude to drink is already so ridiculous at the moment compared to the continent, where alcohol is encouraged from a young age, that I don't think heightening that taboo at all is a good idea.

naughto · 08-08-2012 12:47AM

if you do report them lets hope the young lads find out who you are and kick the sh1te out of ya.

To report, or not report. That is the quistion.

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