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Sinn Fein in a huff over new signs

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  • #182
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    They basically voted to end a conflict by any means. Your opposition to a United Ireland is part of a minority. Finally, any questionable actions or atrocities the Provisional IRA carried out, it learned from the terrorist founders of the free state.
    /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\
    "They haven't gone away ya know"!


  • #183
    Border-Rat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\
    "They haven't gone away ya know"!

    Sorry, but I just made several points and you mutter an attempted insult and ignore anything written?

    Not a fan of the War of Independence then? You beat your chest terrorism, then beat it some more about adhering to a constitution founded by terrorism? You seem a bit confused, a chara.


  • #184
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    They basically voted to end a conflict by any means. .

    If the vote went the other way you'd be saying it was striking a blow towards getting a united Ireland. Spin, eh?

    If everyone was fully informed of the facts of a united Ireland and how it would affect them, mainly financially, would the support be the same (on either side of the border)

    Most of the support I've seen over the years (being from a workign class backround) doesnt stretch any further than "****ing Brits , give us back the north" and is entirely centred around the Idea that the Brits are *****.


  • #185
    Sound of Silence
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭Sound of Silence


    cocoshovel wrote: »
    Im still confused about this comment. Its said and thanked like I was the one who said it is all about religion.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80113185&postcount=41
    How pathetic. Religion should have nothing to do with this but of course you have assholes who bring it in regardless.

    Well, you did mention it.


  • #186
    geneyuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 270 ✭✭geneyuss


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    Sorry, but I just made several points and you mutter an attempted insult and ignore anything written?

    Not a fan of the War of Independence then? You beat your chest terrorism, then beat it some more about adhering to a constitution founded by terrorism? You seem a bit confused, a chara.

    one mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter


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  • #187
    Yamanoto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    This thread and indeed the issue itself provides some insight as to the common-sense disconnect which habitually manifests among republicans and their loyalist mirror-image, who engage in a depressingly predictable footrace to take offence and to wallow in victim-hood - each side portraying their tribe as put upon, plotted against, slighted or neglected.

    I'd imagine the majority of folks in both jurisdictions would be wholly supportive of cultural sensitivities being handled judiciously, but there come's a point where the piddling nature of the grievance simply shouldn't be indulged at an official level - This is what we're doing, sorry you don't like it, but that's the way it's gonna be etc


  • #188
    Sound of Silence
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭Sound of Silence


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Most of the support I've seen over the years (being from a workign class backround) doesnt stretch any further than "****ing Brits , give us back the north" and is entirely centred around the Idea that the Brits are *****.

    Did you come to these assumptions after staring at some poorly drawn graffiti?


  • #189
    Border-Rat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    If the vote went the other way you'd be saying it was striking a blow towards getting a united Ireland. Spin, eh?

    If everyone was fully informed of the facts of a united Ireland and how it would affect them, mainly financially, would the support be the same (on either side of the border)

    Most of the support I've seen over the years (being from a workign class backround) doesnt stretch any further than "****ing Brits , give us back the north" and is entirely centred around the Idea that the Brits are *****.

    Kinda ironic, you attempting to lecture someone on being ill-informed. You do realise that border Counties, which by the way make up 4 of the 6, suffer perpetual economic stagnation because of partition? That Derry as a city will never prosper fully as its cut off from its economic hinterland? You think we're all just thick malcontents up here with an irrational Brit hatred?

    The funding of those deadweight counties is made up of 75% government funding. How long do you suppose that'll last with a UK Government carrying a debt of 5 trillion, and when the majority of people under 27 in NI are now Catholic?


  • #190
    Sound of Silence
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭Sound of Silence


    Yamanoto wrote: »
    This thread and indeed the issue itself provides some insight as to the common-sense disconnect which habitually manifests among republicans and their loyalist mirror-image, who engage in a depressingly predictable footrace to take offence and to wallow in victim-hood - each side portraying their tribe as put upon, plotted against, slighted or neglected.

    I'd imagine the majority of folks in both jurisdictions would be wholly supportive of cultural sensitivities being handled judiciously, but there come's a point where the piddling nature of the grievance simply shouldn't be indulged at an official level - This is what we're doing, sorry you don't like it, but that's the way it's gonna be etc

    I believe you're under the illusion that Politics is a refrained and civil affair, or that Human Beings are not inherently tribal.

    Northern Ireland does not exist in vacuum. It took a lot of work to f*ck it up this badly.


  • #191
    Border-Rat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    Sound of Silence wrote: »
    Did you come to these assumptions after staring at some poorly drawn graffiti?

    He probably rarely, if ever ventures accross the border. Apparently the perpetual economic kick in the balls places like Derry and Newry must endure as a result of partition is an attraction to people in the 06 Counties. And the lions share of the whopping 75% Government spending goes to the two sole remaining Unionist Counties in the North East.

    Then they wonder why dissidents call the North-West home.


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  • #192
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Yamanoto wrote: »
    This thread and indeed the issue itself provides some insight as to the common-sense disconnect which habitually manifests among republicans and their loyalist mirror-image, who engage in a depressingly predictable footrace to take offence and to wallow in victim-hood - each side portraying their tribe as put upon, plotted against, slighted or neglected.

    I'd imagine the majority of folks in both jurisdictions would be wholly supportive of cultural sensitivities being handled judiciously, but there come's a point where the piddling nature of the grievance simply shouldn't be indulged at an official level - This is what we're doing, sorry you don't like it, but that's the way it's gonna be etc

    What's important is that you get to remain above it all, make gross generalisations and fail miserably at trying to appear as a self-appointed all-knowing commentator who in reality hasn't a ****ing clue what he's talking about.


  • #193
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    Kinda ironic, you attempting to lecture someone on being ill-informed. You do realise that border Counties, which by the way make up 4 of the 6, suffer perpetual economic stagnation because of partition? That Derry as a city will never prosper fully as its cut off from its economic hinterland? You think we're all just thick malcontents up here with an irrational Brit hatred?

    The funding of those deadweight counties is made up of 75% government funding. How long do you suppose that'll last with a UK Government carrying a debt of 5 trillion, and when the majority of people under 27 in NI are now Catholic?
    Based upon your own posts I would have to say "if the cap fits wear it".
    And actually I've just returned from a lovely weekend in the Everglades Hotel in Londonderry and it seemed to be prospering quite nicely with visitors from Italy,France,Spain, GB, and the Republic.


  • #194
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,874 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    Not a fan of the War of Independence then? You beat your chest terrorism, then beat it some more about adhering to a constitution founded by terrorism?
    Really, which one?

    The 1937 constitution was adopted by the people, with no violence involved.


  • #195
    Border-Rat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Based upon your own posts I would have to say "if the cap fits wear it".
    And actually I've just returned from a lovely weekend in the Everglades Hotel in Londonderry and it seemed to be prospering quite nicely with visitors from Italy,France,Spain, GB, and the Republic.

    I accept your ad hom as a forfeit. Let me re-iterate the points you couldn't handle: 2+3 were dropped in an attempt to end the conflict by any means, the people in the South who do not want a UI are in the minority. Unionists, like you, even smaller minority. Finally, the IRA that brought about the constitution you herald were worse than the IRA you critisize.


  • #196
    Border-Rat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    Victor wrote: »
    Really, which one?

    The 1937 constitution was adopted by the people, with no violence involved.

    To try and say it bears no relation to Collins' burning Prods out of their home - desperate, in a word. There'd be no constitution if not for the IRA.


  • #197
    Sound of Silence
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭Sound of Silence


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Based upon your own posts I would have to say "if the cap fits wear it".
    And actually I've just returned from a lovely weekend in the Everglades Hotel in Londonderry and it seemed to be prospering quite nicely with visitors from Italy,France,Spain, GB, and the Republic.

    People from other Countries in a Hotel in Derry?

    You're having me on! I've never known a place to be so cosmopolitan. I guess we people up here in Northern Ireland don't know what we're on to!


  • #198
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    He probably rarely, if ever ventures accross the border. Apparently the perpetual economic kick in the balls places like Derry and Newry must endure as a result of partition is an attraction to people in the 06 Counties. And the lions share of the whopping 75% Government spending goes to the two sole remaining Unionist Counties in the North East.

    Then they wonder why dissidents call the North-West home.

    I go over the border plenty thanks. Newry profits from partition aswell as losing out. How much would it lose when the lines of cars heading up to shop completely stops? Theres 2 sides to each debate.

    The only way I can see it being a financial gain to the South in increasing the population by a coupel of million is by importing them here. Gaining new territory aong with it wont help.

    Why not try for complete independance if this runnign a country thing is so easy?


  • #199
    Border-Rat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    Sound of Silence wrote: »
    People from other Countries in a Hotel in Derry?

    You're having me on! I've never known a place to be so cosmopolitan. I guess we people up here in Northern Ireland don't know what we're on to!

    Don't you know that one hotel a mile from the city centre is indicative of the overall economic health of a city?! I wonder which direction he entered Derry from. Through Strabane - ghost town, or the Bogside - that great mecca of industrial and economic might.


  • #200
    cocoshovel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭cocoshovel


    Sound of Silence wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80113185&postcount=41



    Well, you did mention it.

    Should have nothing


  • #201
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    And actually I've just returned from a lovely weekend in the Everglades Hotel in Londonderry and it seemed to be prospering quite nicely with visitors from Italy,France,Spain, GB, and the Republic.

    I'd hazard a guess you weren't calling it Londonderry with such gay abandon when you were there in real life.


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  • #202
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    That Derry as a city will never prosper fully as its cut off from its economic hinterland? You think we're all just thick malcontents up here with an irrational Brit hatred?
    ?

    Unless "up here" is the working class areas of Dublin , I dont see where I was talking about your area.


  • #203
    Border-Rat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    I go over the border plenty thanks. Newry profits from partition aswell as losing out. How much would it lose when the lines of cars heading up to shop completely stops? Theres 2 sides to each debate.

    Actually, no there isn't two sides to that debate. The people that flock up do so to ASDA, which in no way benefits the local economy. In fact, in Strabane, the large ASDA outpost has practically killed the town centre and small businesses. In an attempt to compensate, the local Council makes every street a pay-area for parking, further driving locals away from from commuting. Southerners go nowhere near the locals businesses, the large superstores are placed away from them to avoid congestion.

    Inconvenient facts for you, but I don't make them facts.


  • #204
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    I'd hazard a guess you weren't calling it Londonderry with such gay abandon when you were there in real life.
    Why not? That was the address of the hotel and thats what ALL the roadsigns called it once I entered the UK at Aughnacloy.


  • #205
    Sound of Silence
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭Sound of Silence


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    I go over the border plenty thanks. Newry profits from partition aswell as losing out. How much would it lose when the lines of cars heading up to shop completely stops? Theres 2 sides to each debate.

    Sainsbury's in Newry profits from partition.

    I don't know if the shelf-stackers working there are living the high life as result of it though.


  • #206
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    Actually, no there isn't two sides to that debate. The people that flock up do so to ASDA, which in no way benefits the local economy. In fact, in Strabane, the large ASDA outpost has practically killed the town centre and small businesses. In an attempt to compensate, the local Council makes every street a pay-area for parking, further driving locals away from from commuting. Southerners go nowhere near the locals businesses, the large superstores are placed away from them to avoid congestion.

    Inconvenient facts for you, but I don't make them facts.
    The people that flock up do so to ASDA, which in no way benefits the local economy- yeah ASDA don't employ local workers, their staff are flown in daily from Mongolia!
    Of course it helps the local economy:mad:


  • #207
    Seanchai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Seanchai


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Northern Ireland is ... a seperate country

    No, it's not. Duh. Keep trying. :rolleyes:

    Seán O'Doherty of Pettigo, Co. Fermanagh is just as Irish by birth as Seán O'Doherty 100 metres down the hill in Pettigo, Co. Donegal. And regardless of your prejudices and bitterness about this fact, international law is on his side since at least the Anglo-Irish Agreement in 1985, a status which was reinforced in the GFA of 1998.

    In other words, the British state which you think you're defending here has conceded unequivocally that because of his birth in the part of Ireland currently known as "Northern Ireland" he has a right to be a citizen of the sovereign state known as Ireland. This internationally-enshrined birthright to Irishness does not exist by virtue of somebody being born in a foreign country like, for instance, Britain. How does that fit into your "Northern Ireland is as British as Finchley" delusions?


  • #208
    Border-Rat
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    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Why not? That was the address of the hotel and thats what ALL the roadsigns called it once I entered the UK at Aughnacloy.

    The Everglades is in a Nationalist area. In fact, its quite close to a staunchly Republican area. The employee's, in all probability, don't share you're Unionist outlook.


  • #209
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    Actually, no there isn't two sides to that debate. The people that flock up do so to ASDA, which in no way benefits the local economy. In fact, in Strabane, the large ASDA outpost has practically killed the town centre and small businesses. In an attempt to compensate, the local Council makes every street a pay-area for parking, further driving locals away from from commuting.

    So now your debating the economics and benefits of large multiples. People shopping in a country, regardless of where they shop is a gain for the economy. Who works in ASDA btw? Are they shipping in all their staff from Britain?

    Are you really sayign theres no economc gain to NI from all the shoppers from the south?

    It's good that you've surveyed everyone headign up to make sure they are headign in to asda and going by all the other shops.


  • #210
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,905 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Seanchai wrote: »
    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Northern Ireland is ... a seperate country

    No, it's not. Duh. Keep trying. :rolleyes:

    Seán O'Doherty of Pettigo, Co. Fermanagh is just as Irish by birth as Seán O'Doherty 100 metres down the hill in Pettigo, Co. Donegal. And regardless of your prejudices and bitterness about this fact, international law is on his side since at least the Anglo-Irish Agreement in 1985, a status which was reinforced in the GFA of 1998.

    In other words, the British state which you think you're defending here has conceded unequivocally that because of his birth in the part of Ireland currently known as "Northern Ireland" he has a right to be a citizen of the sovereign state known as Ireland. This internationally-enshrined birthright to Irishness does not exist by virtue of somebody being born in a foreign country like, for instance, Britain. How does that fit into your "Northern Ireland is as British as Finchley" delusions?


    Its still not a part of the republic. They dont pay taxes to kenny. They pay taxes ti cameron if they work in the nirth. FACT


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  • #211
    Border-Rat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    The people that flock up do so to ASDA, which in no way benefits the local economy- yeah ASDA don't employ local workers, their staff are flown in daily from Mongolia!
    Of course it helps the local economy:mad:

    Oh, so you ignore 3 other points but decide you'll take this one on? ASDA removes millions from the local economy in one month. Are you saying their employee's on minimum wage are millionaires. Unlikely. Whats more important, employing some people or sustaining some businesses?


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