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Sinn Fein in a huff over new signs

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  • #152
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Pure_Cork wrote: »
    And yet there's teams from one association's jurisdiction competing in the league of another, and players from that association's jurisdiction playing for the national team of the other.

    Yep, and theres Welsh teams playing in England.


  • #153
    Pure_Cork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 443 ✭✭Pure_Cork


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Yep, and theres Welsh teams playing in England.
    And there's entirely different reasons behind that.


  • #154
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    geneyuss wrote: »
    you said if the Queen gave back the north (not that its her decision) that there'll be people WAY down in Dublin deciding how people in the north live, i was just pointing out that Dublin already decides, as do them folk way over there in London

    You know that discussion was because someone complained about people in Dublin having an opinion on northern affairs yeah? It wasnt a standalone political post.


  • #155
    Where To
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    Pure_Cork wrote: »
    And yet there's teams from one association's jurisdiction competing in the league of the other, and players from that association's jurisdiction playing for the national team of the other.
    Canadian teams playing in the US
    New Zealand teams playing in Australia
    Slovakian teams playing in Russia
    and so on. . .


  • #156
    geneyuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 270 ✭✭geneyuss


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Yep, and theres Welsh teams playing in England.
    but not Scottish


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  • #157
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Pure_Cork wrote: »
    And there's entirely different reasons behind that.

    I know that but thats not whats being discussed. Some sports are all Ireland, some arent . Ones that are were being singled out as some sort of proof that its all one country.


  • #158
    Northern Monkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Northern Monkey


    The majority who want a united Ireland would change their minds if it actually happened.

    Pay €2,000 instead of £400 for car tax (extreme example, but an example none the less)
    Pay 10%-40% more to buy the actual car (new obviously)
    Spend your time dodging pot holes or paying tolls to use the roads that don't have any.
    Pay for school books
    Pay for health care
    Pay €5 for a pint
    Spend the next 20+ years paying additional taxes year on year to cover the bail out
    Pay a property tax (it's coming) to cover local services and then pay again for your services

    Where are the positives? The only one I can think of is better welfare rates and lets face it, there would be a lot of people on the dole given the amount of people working for the civil service in the north.


  • #159
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    geneyuss wrote: »
    but not Scottish

    Nope, just an English one in Sctoland (maybe more but I genuine dont car emuch for Scottish fooball so I'll leave that one to you).


  • #160
    Sound of Silence
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭Sound of Silence


    John Doe1 wrote: »
    I live 5 miles from the border, this really is a non-issue. Sinn fein always need something to rally against

    I doubt this would be a Unionist issue.

    A couple of street signs in as gaeilge is more their speed.


  • #161
    annascott
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭annascott


    I travel from Dublin to Donegal frequently and it's never really clear anymore where the borders are. The signs are a great idea. Makes it easier re phone coverage etc


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  • #162
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    Look it's simple, in a democratic vote the people of this 26 county juristiction VOTED OVERWHELMINGLY to give up our territorial claim on Northern Ireland and accept it as part of the UK until such time(hopefully never) as a majority of the voters in Northern Ireland decide differently. Thats democracy, something SF thinks comes from an Armalite and the rest of us know comes from a ballot box.
    Northern Ireland is part of the UK,it is a seperate country, a seperate juristiction and it's time SF and their ill advised shills accepted that fact!


  • #163
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Northern Monkey wrote: »
    Pay a property tax (it's coming) to cover local services and then pay again for your services
    .

    They have rates in the North

    "So, if the capital value of your home was valued at £80,000 and you live in the Down District Council area, the following calculation will show you your rate bill for the year 2012 to 2013.
    •£80,000 (CV) x 0.007203 = £576.24"


  • #164
    John Doe1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    annascott wrote: »
    I travel from Dublin to Donegal frequently and it's never really clear anymore where the borders are. The signs are a great idea. Makes it easier re phone coverage etc

    You know you are in donegal when the people resemble gods


  • #165
    geneyuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 270 ✭✭geneyuss


    Northern Monkey wrote: »
    The majority who want a united Ireland would change their minds if it actually happened.

    Pay €2,000 instead of £400 for car tax (extreme example, but an example none the less)
    Pay 10%-40% more to buy the actual car (new obviously)
    Spend your time dodging pot holes or paying tolls to use the roads that don't have any.
    Pay for school books
    Pay for health care
    Pay €5 for a pint
    Spend the next 20+ years paying additional taxes year on year to cover the bail out
    Pay a property tax (it's coming) to cover local services and then pay again for your services

    Where are the positives? The only one I can think of is better welfare rates and lets face it, there would be a lot of people on the dole given the amount of people working for the civil service in the north.

    A property tax the Uk has had for over 20 years, the Uk has higher petrol prices, only a mug would pay E5 for a pint, so there are no potholes or tolls in the UK? The Uk is still paying for its IMF bailout from the late 70's


  • #166
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    John Doe1 wrote: »
    You know you are in donegal when the people resemble gods

    You spellt dogs wrong. :p


  • #167
    geneyuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 270 ✭✭geneyuss


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Look it's simple, in a democratic vote the people of this 26 county juristiction VOTED OVERWHELMINGLY to give up our territorial claim on Northern Ireland and accept it as part of the UK until such time(hopefully never) as a majority of the voters in Northern Ireland decide differently. Thats democracy, something SF thinks comes from an Armalite and the rest of us know comes from a ballot box.
    Northern Ireland is part of the UK,it is a seperate country, a seperate juristiction and it's time SF and their ill advised shills accepted that fact!

    simply not true, and it was almost 100 years ago, alot has changed since, and the behaviour of the british in the north has had a lot to do with that change


  • #168
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    geneyuss wrote: »
    simply not true, and it was almost 100 years ago, alot has changed since, and the behaviour of the british in the north has had a lot to do with that change
    Since when was 1998 over 100 years ago?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement

    !In the Republic, the electorate voted upon the nineteenth amendment to the Constitution of Ireland. This amendment both permitted the state to comply with the Belfast Agreement and provided for the removal of the 'territorial claim' contained in Articles 2 and 3.


  • #169
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    John Doe1 wrote: »
    You know you are in donegal when the people resemble gods

    Daniel O'Donnel and Bernard McHugh stand testament to that fact.


  • #170
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,418 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    geneyuss wrote: »
    simply not true, and it was almost 100 years ago, alot has changed since, and the behaviour of the british in the north has had a lot to do with that change
    Since when was 1998 over 100 years ago?

    Since 2099!


  • #171
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Since when was 1998 over 100 years ago?

    The right to self determination predated the GFA.


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  • #172
    geneyuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 270 ✭✭geneyuss


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Since when was 1998 over 100 years ago?

    sorry i misread your post, i was referring to the original vote on partition and the subsequent civil war caused by that vote, the good friday agreement is alot more complicated than Eire giving up its claim to the 6 counties


  • #173
    Dubhlinner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭Dubhlinner


    geneyuss wrote: »
    Dublin already has a say in the affairs of N,Ireland i.e cross border bodies etc, have you read the good friday agreement or are you just in continuios denial that times are changing

    cross border bodies have zero powers as far as i can see.


  • #174
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    geneyuss wrote: »
    sorry i misread your post, i was referring to the original vote on partition and the subsequent civil war caused by that vote, the good friday agreement is alot more complicated than Eire giving up its claim to the 6 counties
    Nothing at all complicated about the people of the Republic of Ireland voting overwhelmingly to remove our territorial claim to a part of the UK in the 19th Amendment to the Constitution, just a pity SF and their shill want to have their cake and eat it and only recognise democratic votes when it suits their ends.


  • #175
    Northern Monkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭Northern Monkey


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    They have rates in the North

    "So, if the capital value of your home was valued at £80,000 and you live in the Down District Council area, the following calculation will show you your rate bill for the year 2012 to 2013.
    •£80,000 (CV) x 0.007203 = £576.24"
    geneyuss wrote: »
    A property tax the Uk has had for over 20 years, the Uk has higher petrol prices, only a mug would pay E5 for a pint, so there are no potholes or tolls in the UK? The Uk is still paying for its IMF bailout from the late 70's

    Agreed, but the property tax in the North covers local services like bin collection, etc. Once the property tax here comes into force properly, you will still have to pay for such services on top of it.

    There is currently one toll road (the M6) and then a few bridges and tunnels in the UK that are tolled (none in NI to my knowledge). Yes there are potholes, but they are generally fairly quick about fixing them.

    I'd rather have higher petrol prices and lower motor tax. Tax the people by consumption rather than a fixed fee regardless of how much you drive.

    Anyway, we've gone a bit off topic. Back to signs, I don't have a problem with them.


  • #176
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    Ghandee wrote: »
    The right to self determination predated the GFA.
    The 19th Amendment is the most recent and most relavent plebiscite.
    The people have spoken, we dont want Norn Iron,its a foriegn place.


  • #177
    Border-Rat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Look it's simple, in a democratic vote the people of this 26 county juristiction VOTED OVERWHELMINGLY to give up our territorial claim on Northern Ireland and accept it as part of the UK until such time(hopefully never) as a majority of the voters in Northern Ireland decide differently. Thats democracy, something SF thinks comes from an Armalite and the rest of us know comes from a ballot box.
    Northern Ireland is part of the UK,it is a seperate country, a seperate juristiction and it's time SF and their ill advised shills accepted that fact!

    They basically voted to end a conflict by any means. Your opposition to a United Ireland is part of a minority. Finally, any questionable actions or atrocities the Provisional IRA carried out, it learned from the terrorist founders of the free state.


  • #178
    geneyuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 270 ✭✭geneyuss


    Dubhlinner wrote: »
    cross border bodies have zero powers as far as i can see.

    those bodies are more about influence than power, decisions will be made in Leinster House, Westminster and Stormont pertaining to the affairs of N.Ireland for the foreseeable future .


  • #179
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Thats democracy, something SF thinks comes from an Armalite and the rest of us know comes from a ballot box.

    The north came about because of abuse of democracy. Gerrymandering the Catholic population was abuse of democracy. The IRA was energized by people having their civil rights violently trampled on to the point of being murdered on the streets by Unionist militias and the British Army.

    Yet all you can bleat about is your blatant bias against all things Republican.

    What a caricature.


  • #180
    cocoshovel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭cocoshovel


    Varied wrote: »
    You also have assholes claiming its all about religion, but such is life.

    Im still confused about this comment. Its said and thanked like I was the one who said it is all about religion.


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  • #181
    Sound of Silence
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭Sound of Silence


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Nothing at all complicated about the people of the Republic of Ireland voting overwhelmingly to remove our territorial claim to a part of the UK in the 19th Amendment to the Constitution, just a pity SF and their shill want to have their cake and eat it and only recognise democratic votes when it suits their ends.

    Whether or not Sinn Fein utters a single word about the whole debacle, it's pretty much guaranteed that these signs won't be shown the greatest level of respect by rebellious locals.

    Ya know, cos' it's a local issue...

    The same reason why as gaeilge signs don't have a great survival rate in Unionist areas - a fate guaranteed by similarly opportunistic DUP members.


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