Yet another Irish athlete done over by a dirty cheat!

Pisco Sour · 07-08-2012 12:39AM #1

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/london-olympics/olympic-50km-walk-champion-alex-schwazer-tests-positive-for-doping/story-fnd2erhd-1226444411159

Defending Olympic champion is out of the games for failing a drug test. One less guy for Rob to worry about on Saturday, but this guy got a silver in Barca in 2010, when Rob came 4th! Sick!

Cork24 · 07-08-2012 12:43AM

Who says he was doping in the last games?? And how is an Irish athlete done over when the race. Never started?

Our athlete could come 1st or come last. I can't understand how he was done over by a cheat, when clearly... It's policy to test every winner so in the 2010 games when this so called cheat won the 50km walk he would have being tested after the race and. Before the games started

Pisco Sour · 07-08-2012 12:50AM

Cork24 wrote: »

Who says he was doping in the last games?? And how is an Irish athlete done over when the race. Never started?

Our athlete could come 1st or come last. I can't understand how he was done over by a cheat, when clearly... It's policy to test every winner so in the 2010 games when this so called cheat won the 50km walk he would have being tested after the race and. Before the games started

Read my OP. This cheat came 2nd in Barca in the same race Rob came 4th, therefore denying him a medal. And dont give me that crap about him not doping in Beijing. Why would an Olympic Champion decide to dope after achieving the pinnacle of his/her sport! Blatantly on it all along and will come out with crap to try save face and keep his previous medals.

Pherekydes · 07-08-2012 12:53AM

Sure all walkers are cheats. :pac:

Aspiring · 07-08-2012 12:53AM

Pisco Sour wrote: »

Read my OP. This cheat came 2nd in Barca in the same race Rob came 4th, therefore denying him a medal. And dont give me that crap about him not doping in Beijing. Why would an Olympic Champion decide to dope after achieving the pinnacle of his/her sport! Blatantly on it all along and will come out with crap to try save face and keep his previous medals.

They would be under pressure to win it again and that would lead to them to dope I'm sure.

LacticAthlete · 07-08-2012 12:54AM

Moderators will surely be along to cut and snip this thread.

The thing is full of dopers, cant move for the buggers!!

M cebee · 07-08-2012 12:54AM

i don't see the point of this
-heaping opprobrium on athletes when they get busted

it's not like everyone that cheats get busted or anything

Pisco Sour · 07-08-2012 12:56AM

LacticAthlete wrote: »

Moderators will surely be along to cut and snip this thread.

Why? It's fact the guy doped. Articles all over the internet, breaking news everywhere. If this thread gets snipped then there is no hope for this forum!

07-08-2012 12:57AM

To be fair now wev had our fair Share of alleged "drug cheats"

Pisco Sour · 07-08-2012 12:57AM

M cebee wrote: »

i don't see the point of this
-heaping opprobrium on athletes when they get busted

it's not like everyone that cheats get busted or anything

Because some of us have a zero tolerance towards cheats!

Harry Angstrom · 07-08-2012 01:02AM

Pisco Sour wrote: »

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/london-olympics/olympic-50km-walk-champion-alex-schwazer-tests-positive-for-doping/story-fnd2erhd-1226444411159

Defending Olympic champion is out of the games for failing a drug test. One less guy for Rob to worry about on Saturday, but this guy got a silver in Barca in 2010, when Rob came 4th! Sick!

Shouldn't this be in the Walking section??

By posting it in the Running section, I'd say you've pretty much disqualified yourself :pac:

MrCreosote · 07-08-2012 03:57AM

I'm with Pisco on this one.

Once you are a dope cheat, it puts a huge question mark over ALL your results. Just like the questions are there when dopers return from bans. You are the "dope cheat" for ever.

Like the dope cheat Ben Johnson.
Like the dope cheat Michelle Smith.
Like the dope cheat Linford Christie.
Like the dope cheat Marion Jones.

Once caught, that's your career and legacy ruined for ever.

Headshot · 07-08-2012 04:08AM

Schwazer Should of gone to the Olympics but he got high
he could of won the race but he got high
but now he's sitting at home and I know why because he got high (because he got high)

average_runner · 07-08-2012 10:02AM

Pisco Sour wrote: »

Read my OP. This cheat came 2nd in Barca in the same race Rob came 4th, therefore denying him a medal. And dont give me that crap about him not doping in Beijing. Why would an Olympic Champion decide to dope after achieving the pinnacle of his/her sport! Blatantly on it all along and will come out with crap to try save face and keep his previous medals.

Wont he get strip of his olympic medal in beijing and the world championships?

Pherekydes · 07-08-2012 10:09AM

average_runner wrote: »

Wont he get strip of his olympic medal in beijing and the world championships?

Well his test is from this year so, unless he admits to cheating back then, no.

07-08-2012 10:11AM

Pisco Sour wrote: »

Read my OP. This cheat came 2nd in Barca in the same race Rob came 4th, therefore denying him a medal. And dont give me that crap about him not doping in Beijing. Why would an Olympic Champion decide to dope after achieving the pinnacle of his/her sport! Blatantly on it all along and will come out with crap to try save face and keep his previous medals.

siver is not the pinnacle of a sport the fact of the matter is most olympians are on drugs iv herd stories of swimmers using them and having blood transfusions so there blood is clean for a test. look at some of the female athletes in particular. for example michelle smith had shoulders broader than most men women dont have that naturally.

i understand where your coming from with your "zero tolerance" policy but welcome to the real world its not always fair

average_runner · 07-08-2012 10:12AM

Pherekydes wrote: »

Well his test is from this year so, unless he admits to cheating back then, no.

Ok, thought if you tested within 8 years of the olympics you lose your medals. Must of picked it up the wrong way.

ThisRegard · 07-08-2012 10:15AM

I'm sure Brian O'Connor is starting to get a big I told you so smirk on his face at this rate.

Pherekydes · 07-08-2012 10:41AM

Dana Damaged Surface wrote: »

siver is not the pinnacle of a sport

He's the reigning Olympic 50k walk champion. The silver alluded to is from the Europeans in Barcelona two years ago.

If you think swimming doesn't give girls big shoulders I suggest you take a trip to your local swimming club and take a look.

racso1975 · 07-08-2012 11:36AM

average_runner wrote: »

Ok, thought if you tested within 8 years of the olympics you lose your medals. Must of picked it up the wrong way.

I think your right and that it is a new thing. So if new drugs at the moment that go under the radar can be detected in say 6 years they will retest the ones from this Olympics

RayCun · 07-08-2012 11:44AM

They take the samples from competitors and hold on to them for eight years, so those samples can be tested again.
If those samples are found to contain PEDs, the athlete is punished by having their title stripped.

But if a sample given today contains PEDs, that doesn't change the sample given four years ago.

There's a case for retroactive punishment of dopers - dope at any time and all your medals are stripped, even those won when your samples were clean - but it would be a major change to current policy.

plodder · 07-08-2012 11:55AM

The "man on the street" is rightly going to be suspicious of a drug cheat's past achievements. But, I think it would be legally very difficult to bring in retrospective punishments (ie applying before the failed sample was taken). Much better to look forward and deal with the anomaly where cheats are banned for only two years imo.

walshb · 07-08-2012 01:51PM

Pisco Sour wrote: »

Because some of us have a zero tolerance towards cheats!

There is zero tolerance and there is just spurious allegations. You are making spurious allegations concerning Beijing!

LacticAthlete · 07-08-2012 02:13PM

MrCreosote wrote: »

I'm with Pisco on this one.

Once you are a dope cheat, it puts a huge question mark over ALL your results. Just like the questions are there when dopers return from bans. You are the "dope cheat" for ever.

Like the dope cheat Ben Johnson.
Like the dope cheat Michelle Smith.
Like the dope cheat Linford Christie.
Like the dope cheat Marion Jones.

Once caught, that's your career and legacy ruined for ever.

Just like fellow drug cheats

Sandra Perković
Yohan Blake
Darya Pishchalnikova

all of whom barely got a mention as druggies on any tv coverage!

Pherekydes · 07-08-2012 03:32PM

LacticAthlete wrote: »

Just like fellow drug cheats

Sandra Perković
Yohan Blake
Darya Pishchalnikova

all of whom barely got a mention as druggies on any tv coverage!

Don't know about the Russian, but Blake and Perkovic are not cheats.

james1992 · 07-08-2012 03:42PM

There has been a lot of talk about Nevin Yanit and refusing to take a drugs test from turkey ioc....
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heres hoping derval dosent lose out to her tonight. But i suspect she will

Pherekydes · 07-08-2012 04:03PM

james1992 wrote: »

heres hoping derval dosent lose out to her tonight. But i suspect she will

They're not in the same semi.

martyeds · 07-08-2012 04:04PM

MrCreosote wrote: »

I'm with Pisco on this one.

Once you are a dope cheat, it puts a huge question mark over ALL your results. Just like the questions are there when dopers return from bans. You are the "dope cheat" for ever.

Like the dope cheat Ben Johnson.
Like the dope cheat Michelle Smith.
Like the dope cheat Linford Christie.
Like the dope cheat Marion Jones.

Once caught, that's your career and legacy ruined for ever.

Irish swimmer Michelle Smith is no cheat.......but don't get me started on that Belgian Michelle De Bruin.:D

Pherekydes · 07-08-2012 04:19PM

martyeds wrote: »

Irish swimmer Michelle Smith is no cheat.......but don't get me started on that Belgian Michelle De Bruin.:D

Belgian? Her hubby is Dutch.

ecoli · 07-08-2012 04:35PM

LacticAthlete wrote: »

Just like fellow drug cheats

Sandra Perković
Yohan Blake
Darya Pishchalnikova

all of whom barely got a mention as druggies on any tv coverage!

For the record Yohan Blake didnt fail a drug test as in 2009 Methylhexaneamine was not on the banned list this has since been added and is only deemed an offence if found in competition testing (since last year).

The reason he recieved a ban was because JADCO appealed their own decision on the grounds it had similar attributes to something on the banned list

(Perkovic also failed for this one but it was last year so as such the ban is validated)

A bit of background on this is found here:

http://drugfreesportrec.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/methylhexaneamine-1-3-dimethylamylamine.html

Darya Pishchalnikova is another matter though and i think the main reason she isn't held in the same regards as the likes of the sprinters is simply people dont have as much of a knowledge about the event. Definitely should have been given a life ban

martyeds · 07-08-2012 04:43PM

Pherekydes wrote: »

Belgian? Her hubby is Dutch.

Darn....what was i thinking!!:(

Yet another Irish athlete done over by a dirty cheat!

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