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me-skywalker wrote: »

THe voice over states that he clearly wanted to protect the innocence in the kid that he never got to have. He immediatly got persecuted by letting the kid escape he got set on by every single person in the jail, I would imagine he got beatings everyday for weeks. Plus by the looks of it he was the only one to survive the plague when the LoS found him. Plus he lived in contsant pain only relieve by his mask. Taking all that punishment and pain for protecting Talia. I think he had some significant rise.

I'm not saying he didn't come through great adversity but his ability to take a beating notwithstanding he still required rescuing by Talia . My main point is that the revelation about Talia disarms the character of bane as surely as Batman's smashing of his mask .

I don't think the Talia reveal diminishes Bane in the slightest. If anything I think it makes him even more intriguing. Unlike the Joker, he's not a force of nature. He's just a man who suffered greatly and was utterly twisted by his experiences. The fact that he loved Talia and protected her so she could escape may lessen his super-villain status, but it also explains his motive and gives him a fascinating layer of complexity.

PhiloCypher wrote: »

It humanizes him sure, but in a way I don't think will do the character any favors on rewatching , as I said previously, before she revealed herself he was the brains & muscle that broke the Bat and his city after it he is merely the muscle.

I don't think you can look at and everything Bane says and does in the film and say that he's just following Talia's orders. I'd think of them more as partners. All the social upheaval seemed to be his doing rather than hers. He spent a lot more time down in that pit than she did, so his hatred for the privileged is understandable. The way I see it, Talia just wanted revenge and to complete her father's work. Bane wanted to torture everyone with hope before pulling the trigger.

I'm sure this has been mentioned in the thread but will Warner Bros. milk the franchise now with Joseph-Gordon Levitt and sans the Nolan? I sure hope not.

I know it's an opinion that will be slated, but I honestly rate this like I do Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. There really was very little that I liked in this. It felt like a film Nolan made because he had no choice. I loved the first two films and that's where this series ends for me.

a5y wrote: »

"Daddy, why is Bane freeing violent criminals in Gotham wrong, but Bruce Wayne freeing violent criminals in a far away land ok?"

Bringing your kids to see this? Better have an answer ready!

"Well imaginary child, it seems that none of these prisoners received Due Process and may have only been political prisoners or simply people who stood up to the corrupt people who ran the prison. Also we know they had no problem condemning children for no reason. I believe Batman decided that the prison was a human rights violation that if left unchecked could do more harm then good to society.

Parenting? Piss easy.

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

If he had the balls to kill Batman then at least it would had something. Or in the very least, end with Alfred nodding to an unseen person. But no, Batman and Catwoman having a romantic holiday. Sigh.

Actually, in his defence, I'd say no studio would allow him to do that. There's too much money to be made from the franchise, even with the mantle being handed on, to kill him off.

my problems with the film

1 - Why did Bane wait three months to detonate the bomb? Why not just do it after a day or two. This "giving people hope/making them suffer" doesnt explain why wait 3 months. Why not leave the core intact and blow it after a year then?

2 - why were Talia and Bane happy to get blown up too? Why not fly away from gotham and trigger the bomb then?

3 - Bane's voice was a bit difficult to understand.

4 - Cops V the goons. the "war" thing. Why the hell would the cops run headlong into guns? Then , like only 2/3 cops got shot! Where the hell were the goons sub machine gun bullets going? And why didnt the cops shoot at them instead of running?

5 - That "hell on earth prison" was so stupid. hell on earth?? A doctor beside you, and another guy to feed you and take care of you. Nobody pooing on your face or shooting you or beating you up. No, just somewhere nice to recuperate.
And why didnt the inmates build a little plank to get from the ledge to the one you had to jump to!!?? Build it from wood or rope or some ****! they had enough "materials" to build Banes mask!!

6 - Was the "bat plane" at the end a new one? obviously it was, cos the other one was in a nuclear explosion! So banes group took the 3 batmobiles, but ignored the bat plane thing (that defeated the 3 bat mobiles!). Stupid by them.

7 - When the cops were underground, how come they could get food and water into them but not cops out?

Im sure theres a couple more I cant think of right now.

In saying that id still give it 8/10 for the UNBELIEVABLY good scenes in it - Alfred at the grave, Bane's fights, the entire last hour!

Just a lot of lazy scriptwriting imo.

Chancer3001 wrote: »

my problems with the film

1 - Why did Bane wait three months to detonate the bomb? Why not just do it after a day or two. This "giving people hope/making them suffer" doesnt explain why wait 3 months. Why not leave the core intact and blow it after a year then?

They wanted Gotham to suffer and they wanted Bruce to watch. They didn't wait 5 months to denote the bomb. That's just how long the core took to degrade once they removed it from the reactor. They did this to ensure there was no way to disable the bomb. They only attempted to denote it at the end when Batman showed up.

2 - why were Talia and Bane happy to get blown up too? Why not fly away from gotham and trigger the bomb then?

They were happy to die. Death meant nothing to them. They were terrorists.

5 - That "hell on earth prison" was so stupid. hell on earth?? A doctor beside you, and another guy to feed you and take care of you. Nobody pooing on your face or shooting you or beating you up. No, just somewhere nice to recuperate.

As I recall the doctor said he was paid to keep Bruce alive. Bane truly didn't think Bruce could escape. But he wanted him to try and fail. As Bane told Bruce, he wanted to torture his mind, not his body.

And why didnt the inmates build a little plank to get from the ledge to the one you had to jump to!!?? Build it from wood or rope or some ****! they had enough "materials" to build Banes mask!!

I'm pretty sure he got his mask later, after he left the prison.

6 - Was the "bat plane" at the end a new one? obviously it was, cos the other one was in a nuclear explosion! So banes group took the 3 batmobiles, but ignored the bat plane thing (that defeated the 3 bat mobiles!). Stupid by them.

It looked like an incomplete prototype. It was of no use to them.

7 - When the cops were underground, how come they could get food and water into them but not cops out?

I'm not sure, but I think the supplies were being sent down by the League, not the resistance. They wanted the city to believe they were liberators. And again, they wanted to keep hope alive.

Chancer3001 wrote: »

my problems with the film

1 - Why did Bane wait three months to detonate the bomb? Why not just do it after a day or two. This "giving people hope/making them suffer" doesnt explain why wait 3 months. Why not leave the core intact and blow it after a year then?

First of all you have to remember it is a movie, and a superhero movie at that. You have to allow for movies to be different from real life due to the fact something must always be happening. It would have been fairly pointless for him to blow the bomb after two days as the movie would have been over straight away at that point. But the whole point of waiting for the 3 months is too give them actual hope. After two days the people would not have any real hope, they are still living in fear but after a few months, although still living in fear they will have adapted to a new life and begun to hope that the bomb isn't going to go off. If they left the core intact, there wouldn't be the same drama, or the same worldwide attention, they got with bringing the bomb into a stadium.

2 - why were Talia and Bane happy to get blown up too? Why not fly away from gotham and trigger the bomb then?

Because that was there mission in life, to destroy Gotham. After they had completed that task, they would have nothing else to do. They were happy to sacrifice themselves for their cause.

3 - Bane's voice was a bit difficult to understand.

I thought it was clear for the most part but can understand that some people found it difficult to get used to. It didn't help trying to understand him if someone near you was stuffing their face with popcorn when he was talking. But I'm not really sure what they could have done to change his voice that much, it is supposed to be distorted and I thought they made it fairly clear.

4 - Cops V the goons. the "war" thing. Why the hell would the cops run headlong into guns? Then , like only 2/3 cops got shot! Where the hell were the goons sub machine gun bullets going? And why didnt the cops shoot at them instead of running?

Again, its a film, and its the big climatic action scene, you have to suspend belief. What annoyed/made be laugh about that scene was one of the cops forgetting that he was supposed to be fighting and just running through the mercenaries.

5 - That "hell on earth prison" was so stupid. hell on earth?? A doctor beside you, and another guy to feed you and take care of you. Nobody pooing on your face or shooting you or beating you up. No, just somewhere nice to recuperate.
And why didnt the inmates build a little plank to get from the ledge to the one you had to jump to!!?? Build it from wood or rope or some ****! they had enough "materials" to build Banes mask!!

First of all, they didn't build Bane's mask in the prison. Secondly, I don't think the prison was exactly the height of comfort. Thirdly, you seem to be completely missing the point of it being hell on earth. The point was that it should have been impossible for Wayne to escape, the guy feeding him is only doing that so that Wayne won't stop eating and let himself die rather than watch as Gotham tears itself apart.

6 - Was the "bat plane" at the end a new one? obviously it was, cos the other one was in a nuclear explosion! So banes group took the 3 batmobiles, but ignored the bat plane thing (that defeated the 3 bat mobiles!). Stupid by them.

It was a helicopter and it was a new one, the bat had originally been held in a different place to all the other stuff, if you remember at the beginning the went through another door to get to it. There is a possibility that the mercenaries didn't find it.

7 - When the cops were underground, how come they could get food and water into them but not cops out?

Bane and the mercenaries were the ones giving the cops food. They were guarding all the exits/entrances but once again were keeping them alive to give them the hope that they would escape.

Im sure theres a couple more I cant think of right now.

In saying that id still give it 8/10 for the UNBELIEVABLY good scenes in it - Alfred at the grave, Bane's fights, the entire last hour!

Just a lot of lazy scriptwriting imo.

There isn't lazy scriptwriting, that is one thing you can't accuse the writers of. Everything that happens in the film has an explanation.

In any case, the nitpicking going on in this thread is nauseating. Nolan's plots are very complex and a lot of the finer details tend to go over the viewer's head. TDK and Inception were accused of having loads of plot holes as well. It was remarkable the level of scrutiny they held up to.

lol, remember, it doesnt matter, look theres batman! GO BATMAN!