fastfood the solution to late night violence?

Super-Rush · 23-07-2012 01:02PM

Brokentime wrote: »

Where was that, then?

Wexford.

end of the road · 23-07-2012 02:57PM

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

We don't have the maturity as a nation to handle 24hr bars.

you could argue that for the brits to. maturity is no reason not to have them though, its 2012 after all. if someone is going to get off their heads on drink their going to do it anyway, the country could do with the extra revenue. the reason people are immature about drink is because of the backward rules in relation to licencing. their are many immature people around the world who do other immature things besides getting to drunk, should we ban or restrict everything because of them? time for the nanny state to go.

liamhana · 23-07-2012 03:05PM

God/allah/budda be with the days when you'd have a bowl of something served up to you before being turfed out onto the street... in particular I remember a place in Salthill where if you were in a very bad way the owner wouldnt let you out of the place without downing a plate of stew/curry and rice.
Stopped the fighting & this was place where The Cure/Smiths was played along side ac/dc and plenty of other headbanging stuff!
How we didnt all get distemper/mange/cholera or gonnorhea I dont know...

who_me · 23-07-2012 03:35PM

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Stagger closing times. We don't have the maturity as a nation to handle 24hr bars.

I'm not sure how staggering the closing hours would work, most people would just gravitate to the pub/bar/club with the latest closing and you'd be back at square one.

In my experience, when the hours get later (these days there are several pubs open until 2pm/2:30pm during the week), people just go out later. We have the sense to realise that if they could stay in a club until - say - 4am, there's no point in going out at 9pm at being blotto half way through the night.

The problem is, of course, people go out with the best of intentions, but after a few drinks common sense goes out the window. If there was 24 hour drinking, I'm sure even the most sensible of us would fall foul of it and end up with woeful hangovers.

It definitely could mean 24 hour drinking would involve a very messy transition. Of course, there's also the issue that most people don't want to go to empty pubs/clubs to drink, they go for the craic/buzz of the crowd, so you'd probably still have people entering the bars at the same time; but at least you wouldn't have thousands of drunk, hungry (and horny) people with very impaired judgement all leaving the clubs at the same time and chaos ensuing..

Rabies · 24-07-2012 01:22AM

who_me wrote: »

I'm not sure how staggering the closing hours would work, most people would just gravitate to the pub/bar/club with the latest closing and you'd be back at square one.

In my experience, when the hours get later (these days there are several pubs open until 2pm/2:30pm during the week), people just go out later. We have the sense to realise that if they could stay in a club until - say - 4am, there's no point in going out at 9pm at being blotto half way through the night.

The problem is, of course, people go out with the best of intentions, but after a few drinks common sense goes out the window. If there was 24 hour drinking, I'm sure even the most sensible of us would fall foul of it and end up with woeful hangovers.

It definitely could mean 24 hour drinking would involve a very messy transition. Of course, there's also the issue that most people don't want to go to empty pubs/clubs to drink, they go for the craic/buzz of the crowd, so you'd probably still have people entering the bars at the same time; but at least you wouldn't have thousands of drunk, hungry (and horny) people with very impaired judgement all leaving the clubs at the same time and chaos ensuing..

This is where a combination of street policing and good doormen come in.
Don't allow them on premise. Just because you're a late bar or 24hrs, doesn't mean you have to serve everyone.
The Irish mentality is to drink until you can't walk/talk.

Arpa · 24-07-2012 01:28AM

Anytime I've ever had problems in Dublin city was either inside or outside a fast-food place. Knackers waiting in chipper queues are time bombs. It's the vinegar that attracts them, or the 'battor booorgers'.

The sterile lighting in a fast-food place seems to bring out the worst in people after they see clearly for the first time the mongelator they have pulled in the dimly lit club.

ArtSmart · 24-07-2012 01:35AM

fastfood the solution to late night violence?

bit like asking if throwing petrol onto a fire would put it out.

at first glance anyway. but there's little doubt drunkenness increases the probabilty of fighting, so really your questions should read

'would faster service at a fast food reduce late night violence'. as eating reduces levels of drunkenness, the answer is yes.

paddyandy · 24-07-2012 02:02PM

What ever the best solution is it won't happen because it never does .That's our way .

Grayson · 24-07-2012 04:10PM

Rabies wrote: »

This is where a combination of street policing and good doormen come in.
Don't allow them on premise. Just because you're a late bar or 24hrs, doesn't mean you have to serve everyone.
The Irish mentality is to drink until you can't walk/talk.

Plus, if there's only a few places open till the very end, they'll have their pick of customers. they could easilly refuse people and still be full.

Another thing they should do is revisit the cafe bar license. having smaller cafes that serve wine and beer would mean that people would be scattered around the place a bit more.

Grayson · 24-07-2012 04:22PM

I remember being taught geography for the intercert (yep I'm that old). the reason fights happen at chippers is because of build up. A lot of people at a one place. Opening more chippers would solve that to an extent. However what you need to realise is that there are other places for bottlenecks. Taxi ranks etc... making people go through the chipper phase faster just means there's a faster buildup at the next stage which is bus/taxi. So fights just move location.

Best bet is to stagger the release of drunks into the system. thereby never putting pressure on one particular point. And that means staggering closing time.

dd972 · 24-07-2012 05:11PM

Rabies wrote: »

stagger closing times between 1am-5am, people will go home as they see fit. No queues for food or taxis, less chance of drunken fights.

the voice of reason, Brussels has had all night pubs and cafes for donkeys years and the city still functions on a day to day basis, if society treats people like adults they tend to behave like adults

paddyandy · 02-08-2012 12:36PM

Instead of arresting people the Guards should take the shoelaces away .They did that in the 1960s at the Hastings mods n rockers skirmishes i believe .

fastfood the solution to late night violence?

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