10 shot dead at Batman showing in Denver

Run_to_da_hills · 21-07-2012 03:57AM

Dude111 wrote: »

Yes the DRONE killings by US is disgusting thruout the world........ Im sick of it all to be honest with you!!

And it won't be too long before they will be turning them on their own citizens.

MadsL · 21-07-2012 03:58AM

Will we just change the title of this thread to "Bash America Day"?

Are we done here because we don't seem to be able to discuss this without xenophobic nonsense.

Mods?

K-9 · 21-07-2012 04:02AM

MadsL wrote: »

You asked, I answered. Now you want to change the terms of the answer.

Incorrect. I did not ask for the stats between 1998 and 2004.

I asked for the stats from the GFA on, covering a 15 year period, not a 6 year one. There was a reason for that, as I suspect you well know.

No need to be so disingenious. .

Wompa1 · 21-07-2012 04:05AM

The Irish are whoors for penis envy.

How many people died in Afghanistan on the day of the mass murder in Norway?? Do you remember? If not, then I guess you're as bad as Americans eh? Dumb@ss

Dude111 · 21-07-2012 04:08AM

Run_to_da_hills wrote:

And it won't be too long before they will be turning them on their own citizens.

Yup I know,we all have to be worried because of the scumbags here ruining this country

asherbassad · 21-07-2012 04:28AM

And do you remember how many died the day before, the day after and in fact everyday in the years thereafter?

Don't cherrypick the odd killing, with me, pal.
You are shocked over this batman massacre....fine. Where was your outrage when 40,000 were killed with napalm in Falujah in 2006?
Where was your rage at people being tortured for years on end? Where is your fury at the "suspended" sentence for those who conducted the Haditha Massacre?....where is you rage at drones that blow innocent people into chopmeat? Yet you bawl about 10 people in a cinema like they're sacred. P++S OFF!

Dude111 · 21-07-2012 04:31AM

I think most ppl DO NOT REALISE HOW MUCH EVIL THIS COUNTRY IS DOING TO THE WORLD!!! (Drone killings,etc)

No one has killed as many INNOCENTS as US forces have!!!

Most are not AWAKE as we are!

MadsL · 21-07-2012 04:36AM

K-9 wrote: »

Incorrect. I did not ask for the stats between 1998 and 2004.

I asked for the stats from the GFA on, covering a 15 year period, not a 6 year one. There was a reason for that, as I suspect you well know.

No need to be so disingenious. .

Why? Does fewer killings in 2010 counteract the ones in 1999?

I see you didn't answer my question.

Optimalprimerib · 21-07-2012 05:11AM

I am pie wrote: »

chin_grin wrote: »

:pac:

Hey the worlds a dark place brother/sister/whatever you are, the way people see and deal with situations is how we cope. Some do it with humour, you should laugh once in a while.

But it's called "gallows humour", have you ever laughed at the death of someone/something? No? Oh you must be a perfect God-fearing citizen then.

By the way I'm not laughing at the murder of twelve people. We're making a joke of the situation...and also the fact that the US has crazy gun laws. I don't know those twelve from Adam. I'll admit it's sad, but life goes on albeit up its own ar$e.

But sure you just continue to judge me, I don't give a flying f*ck. I wonder do you voice your opinion of disgust at anyone you hear joking about these acts around you? If you're that ballsy here, then you should be in real life.

Putting it in reverse now is it? The old 'gallows humour' clause.

I'm far from perfect, but i tend to draw the line at scrpaing the bottom of the barrell for gags involving the murder of 12 people.

And, yes thanks, I will continue to judge you and the rest of the bottom feeders looking for humour in this awful situation.

I certainly would voice my opinions in real life. I wonder would you be so quick to make such cretinous jokes.

We're done here, don't feel compelled to reply.

Get off your high horse would ya, yes it was a horrific tragedy and 12 people died but people do react to awful things in different ways. Sometimes with humour, if nothing else to protect themselves from the truth of what happened.

I personally find the posts lambasting the jokes in the thread just as pathetic and thanks whoring as the jokes themselves.

Da Shins Kelly · 21-07-2012 05:25AM

As far as legally owned guns - okay if you own a hand gun, it's still scary but believable in this country, but what on earth are people doing with AK-47s and the like? What was that kid doing with a military style AR-15 assault rifle (which was just one of three guns he brought into the cinema with him)? And in light of all this, gun sales in the region have spiked by 50%. That's the problem here. People are arming themselves to the teeth. The fact that it is relatively easy for any idiot to go and buy a gun is not helping. And, no, these incidents are not common, but they do happen in America more than they should. Hell, any shooting like this is one too many. But, it is a problem here. And comparing it to a civil war region is dumb, because it's not comparable.

books4sale · 21-07-2012 05:36AM

Dude111 wrote: »

No one has killed as many INNOCENTS as US forces have!!!
!

The Nazis killed millions of innocents so your statement is false.

Wake up!

MadsL · 21-07-2012 05:42AM

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

As far as legally owned guns - okay if you own a hand gun, it's still scary but believable in this country, but what on earth are people doing with AK-47s and the like? What was that kid doing with a military style AR-15 assault rifle (which was just one of three guns he brought into the cinema with him)?

It's a dressed up 0.22 rifle, there are hundreds if not thousands of them in Ireland. The other gun of the three was a 12 guage shotgun, 10s of thousands of those in Ireland.

edit: conflicting reports of the caliber used...

And in light of all this, gun sales in the region have spiked by 50%.

In one day? How do we know? Any source for this?

That's the problem here. People are arming themselves to the teeth.

What problem exactly, a few nuts go crazy once in while? Tragic but is this a bigger problem than say medical error killing thousands or road safety? In the scale of 300 million is a major problem?

The fact that it is relatively easy for any idiot to go and buy a gun is not helping.

How easy? What would you change? I personally would insist on test fires on record but thats me - what's your answer?

And, no, these incidents are not common, but they do happen in America more than they should.

How do you propose controlling that?

Hell, any shooting like this is one too many.

Of course, why would anyone argue otherwise?

But, it is a problem here. And comparing it to a civil war region is dumb, because it's not comparable.

Personally I think justifying some of the stuff that has happened during the troubles as a "civil war" is dumb. I also note that Norway did not get attacked on boards as stupid or gun-crazy after its shooting tragedy.

21-07-2012 05:43AM

can i just ask why did 2 parents bring there 6yr old and a 3 month old baby to a batman movie at 12AM

1 thoose children should be in bed

2. the movie is not suitable for a 6 month old lol and a 6 yr old

3. the movie would of been to loud for them

Carcharodon · 21-07-2012 06:32AM

books4sale wrote: »

The Nazis killed millions of innocents so your statement is false.

Wake up!

Ah come on, are you telling me those Jews were innocent....

Manic Moran · 21-07-2012 07:02AM

asherbassad wrote: »

That's just today.
Drone "pilots" are now getting bravery medals. Super! What bravery, exactly?

This is incorrect. The recent news article is about a medal which is proposed being created because none of the currently existing medals of the grade are appropriate: They tend to involve descriptions of heroism or valour. The proposed Distinguished Warfare Medal would be an achievement award, but not a valor award. Unfortunately, a lot of the negative reaction is from people who couldn't be arsed to look up the difference.

As far as legally owned guns - okay if you own a hand gun, it's still scary but believable in this country, but what on earth are people doing with AK-47s and the like?

They're extremely useful. AR-15-based rifles are the single most popular rifle in the US today, as they do an excellent job of performing any task you would ask of it, from varminting, game hunting, target shooting, or zombie defence. They are light, reliable, ergonomic and capable, which makes sense: They were designed to be better than the rifles which came before them.

NTM

Wibbs · 21-07-2012 08:02AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

They're extremely useful. AR-15-based rifles are the single most popular rifle in the US today, as they do an excellent job of performing any task you would ask of it, from varminting, game hunting, target shooting, or zombie defence. They are light, reliable, ergonomic and capable, which makes sense: They were designed to be better than the rifles which came before them.

Makes sense MM. Then again people hear "assault rifle" and too often all bets are off in a debate. Back in the day "Saturday Night Special*" was another trigger description. Couple of points on the term, they're semi automatic, not fully like their military versions. You need a special licence for the latter and are allowed only in some states. People hear the term and think "machine gun spraying bullets". Nope.

Secondly given a choice between being hit by a military/NATO bullet and a bolt action hunting rifle bullet and I'll take the "assault rifle" bullet any day of the week. The latter are fully jacketed bullets, don't tend to fragment, Geneva convention and all that, whereas something like a hunting round tends to have a soft point that expands rapidly in a body cavity and turns it to mush. A "dum dum" bullet in laymans terms. Yet few would clamour to ban hunting/sport rifles to nearly the same degree. Shotgun? Hideous damage compared to the other two(IIRC specifically banned by Geneva convention though used by various armies) and would be right down at the bottom of the ban list for most. Stick a deer slug(solid bullet in place of lots of small pellets/shot) into a shotgun and you've essentially got a shoulder mounted cannon.

Basically if someone wanted to cause the most damage and death in an enclosed space at short ranges in the hands of even an amateur a semi or pump action shotgun with a magazine extension would be the tool for the job. A real "room cleaner". Yet people will scream Assault rifle baaaad. It's one of those "givens" accepted as fact cos it sounds right, but it's anything but. How many shotguns are in this country? Loads yet Ireland has one of the toughest(and oft mad illogical) gun restrictions in the world and we don't see events like what happen in the US. There's an underlying social problem there it seems. The gun is a release for that in the hands of a thankfully tiny percentage of people, it's not the issue itself. I suspect if the US brought in Irish level restrictions in the morning this kinda thing would still happen.

*broadly a term for a really cheap handgun, imagined to be smuggled in in thousands specially for crims and scumbags. Very little truth in it.

up for anything · 21-07-2012 08:09AM

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Deleted User wrote: »

can i just ask why did 2 parents bring there 6yr old and a 3 month old baby to a batman movie at 12AM

1 thoose children should be in bed

2. the movie is not suitable for a 6 month old lol and a 6 yr old

3. the movie would of been to loud for them

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bad parents brings a 6 yr old and a 3 month old to a batman movie

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wtf is a 3 months old baby and a 6 year old doing at a batman movie

Did posters not give you enough answers to your queries yesterday that you have to bring it up again?

It seems to me that you are trying to demonise this particular set of parents? What next? What next, whip up a Facebook Frenzy against their parenting skills?

Give it a rest! :rolleyes:

Canis Lupus · 21-07-2012 08:11AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

This is incorrect. The recent news article is about a medal which is proposed being created because none of the currently existing medals of the grade are appropriate: They tend to involve descriptions of heroism or valour. The proposed Distinguished Warfare Medal would be an achievement awardbut not a valor award. Unfortunately, a lot of the negative reaction is from people who couldn't be arsed to look up the difference.

NTM

It's kind of like Xbox but real life.

Father Damo · 21-07-2012 08:37AM

up for anything wrote: »

It seems to me that you are trying to demonise this particular set of parents? What next? What next, whip up a Facebook Frenzy against their parenting skills?

Give it a rest! :rolleyes:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2176718/Father-left-BABY-floor-massacre-cinema--child-rescued-mother-shot-leg.html

Flees the theatre and then drives off and is only found when his wife calls him?

It is like a bit from the Simpsons.

up for anything · 21-07-2012 08:49AM

Father Damo wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2176718/Father-left-BABY-floor-massacre-cinema--child-rescued-mother-shot-leg.html

Flees the theatre and then drives off and is only found when his wife calls him?

It is like a bit from the Simpsons.

I'm not going to bite. That has nothing to do with their original decision to take the children to the movie with them which was not unreasonable.

Father Damo · 21-07-2012 09:02AM

up for anything wrote: »

I'm not going to bite. That has nothing to do with their original decision to take the children to the movie with them which was not unreasonable.

Ok.

What about the bit where he throws his kid on the ground, legs it, hops into his car, and drives off? It really is Homer Simpson "dont eat me, I have a wife and kids- eat them!" territory.

They look like rednecks anyway.

aloyisious · 21-07-2012 09:10AM

I wondered about the lack of response to the shooter in the cinema, as the US gun laws seemed to allow easy access to fire-arms, then saw this in today's Irish Examiner. It seem's the cinema has a "no guns" policy for it's patrons.

Denver massacre 'an argument for more guns'
Saturday, July 21, 2012 - 08:36 AM

The head of an American firearms lobbying group has said the shooting at a cinema in Denver, Colorado is an opportunity to “loosen up gun laws”.

Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America and a member of National Rifle Association, told BBC Radio 5’s Stephen Nolan programme that anti-gun laws were “setting people up for this kind of disaster”.

Mr Pratt told the programme: “It is very sad that there was a no-guns policy in that theatre and that nobody had thought to take a gun with them anyway.

“At a church in the same city four months ago something somewhat similar occurred but with a very different outcome.

“A dirtbag ran his car into another car in a church parking lot and stormed out of his car, killed a woman, and people were leaving the church at that time.

“So as soon as he did that somebody that had a concealed firearm drew down and killed the attacker, and his slaughter was put to rest immediately.

“So it is a clear take-away message from what happened, is ’don’t go into gun-free zones unless you are willing to break the law’.”

Asked about what New York mayor Michael Bloomberg’s suggestion that the two presidential candidates, Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, need to look again at gun laws, Mr Pratt told the programme he felt that was unlikely to happen.

He said: “I don’t see the Congress getting involved with this. In fact I think this is going to be an opportunity for us to loosen up gun laws in this country.

“The idea that you tell people they’ve got to go into a public place without a firearm is setting them up for this kind of disaster.

“Most of our mass murders have occurred precisely where the criminal knew that he would find unarmed victims, and by and large he has been right.”

inmyday · 21-07-2012 09:13AM

Carcharodon wrote: »

Ah come on, are you telling me those Jews were innocent....

This thread has officially turned to ****e!

Father Damo · 21-07-2012 09:17AM

aloyisious wrote: »

I wondered about the lack of response to the shooter in the cinema, as the US gun laws seemed to allow easy access to fire-arms, then saw this in today's Irish Examiner. It seem's the cinema has a "no guns" policy for it's patrons.

You cant carry a gun around without a permit generally anyway.

Toby Take a Bow · 21-07-2012 09:27AM

An Irish Independent article, bascially suggesting that there is a 'curse' on the Nolan Batman films.

Stay classy, Irish Independent.

MadsL · 21-07-2012 09:29AM

Father Damo wrote: »

You cant carry a gun around without a permit generally anyway.

Depends on which State you are in. A convicted felon cannot handle a gun, whereas in some states a resident (not necessarily a citizen) may buy and open carry (visible on the hip - cowboy style) without permit.

Open Carry however is generally discouraged by cops as it is seen as provocative or likely to panic the public.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry

Manic Moran · 21-07-2012 09:30AM

aloyisious wrote: »

“At a church in the same city four months ago something somewhat similar occurred but with a very different outcome.

“A dirtbag ran his car into another car in a church parking lot and stormed out of his car, killed a woman, and people were leaving the church at that time.

“So as soon as he did that somebody that had a concealed firearm drew down and killed the attacker, and his slaughter was put to rest immediately.

Huh. Hadn't heard about that one (probably because the shooter, who was legally barred from firearm ownership, was shot which rather stopped him from making the national news), but he's right.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/24/suspect-in-colo-church-sh_n_1450313.html

Before the Colorado shooting Sunday, Parker had been parked somewhere with a friend when he became agitated, hopped in his vehicle and drove off, leaving the friend behind, Aurora police spokesman Frank Fania said Tuesday.

Parker sped into the parking lot of New Destiny Center church in Aurora, crashed into a car, then fired at people who came to his aid. The shooting killed Josephine Echols, the mother of a pastor at the church, police said. Echols' nephew Antonio Milow, an off-duty Denver police officer who was attending a church service, then shot and killed Parker, authorities said.

"Who knows what would've happened if the officer had not been there. It certainly could have been a lot worse," Fania said.

Investigators do not know what upset Parker, but it didn't appear that Parker and his friend were arguing, Fania said.

"It's quite possible that we may never know why he jumped out of the car with that gun and why he was so agitated before," Fania said.

They haven't determined where he got the gun and don't know what led him to the church.

"It's totally random, unfortunate circumstances that he ended up in that parking lot on that Sunday," Fania said.

MadsL · 21-07-2012 09:34AM

I spent July 4th at the house of a church deacon who recently completed his CCW in order to carry to church for this reason. This is not the only church shooting recently.

Not sure how I feel about church deacons getting all Ezekiel 25:17 but he is nice bloke. Might be fun to go to the range with him. He's huge too, probably has some kind of hand cannon on his permit.

tigger123 · 21-07-2012 09:54AM

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

An Irish Independent article, bascially suggesting that there is a 'curse' on the Nolan Batman films.

Stay classy, Irish Independent.

This is why I don't read the Independent.

randylonghorn · 21-07-2012 09:58AM

Deleted User wrote: »

can i just ask why did 2 parents bring there 6yr old and a 3 month old baby to a batman movie at 12AM

1 thoose children should be in bed

2. the movie is not suitable for a 6 month old lol and a 6 yr old

3. the movie would of been to loud for them

You're right, it's a bad parenting decision.

So obviously they deserved that the place was shot up, yes?

Or can we get past their (acknowledged) bad parenting decision and look at the bigger picture?

10 shot dead at Batman showing in Denver

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