Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 MOD POST #1130

AwayWithFaries · 18-07-2012 10:16AM

amiable wrote: »

Off topic but a real eye opener as to what standard the kids need to be at these days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DThjb_XyyoU

Sign them all up!

mike65 · 18-07-2012 10:18AM

Talksport report that Fulham have issued a denial that Dempsey is leaving

http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/120718/fulham-deny-dempsey-set-join-liverpol-176878

You clicks your links and takes your chances.

Nuri Sahin · 18-07-2012 10:20AM

Knex. wrote: »

Would he be a fairly reliable fella? Or rather, would his sources do you think?

Seems not given this mornings news.

Leiva wrote: »

Agger to Barca just won't go away

Reminds me of the Masch time.

Wouldn't hold it against him if he wanted to move on. Agger could play for any top European side and not look out of place whatsoever.

5starpool · 18-07-2012 10:27AM

While i generally like Dempsey (incident with Bellamy last season excepted) neither him nor Borini excite or fill me with renewed optimism for the season ahead (no more than Adam/Henderson/Downing did last season). If we are signing a player that will excite us by the very fact that he has signed, I hope it's not one of those. They may well excite me with their play, but they don't excite me by virtue of having signed.

NukaCola · 18-07-2012 10:44AM

5starpool wrote: »

They may well excite me with their play, but they don't excite me by virtue of having signed.

What?

jasonb · 18-07-2012 10:52AM

There was a quote from Rodgers a week or so ago saying one of our signings would really excite the fans.

I presume what 5starpool means is that so far, he's not excited by who we've signed / are supposed to sign. Yes, they might play well on the field, and excite us there, but who we've signed so far hasn't been exciting. If we signed Messi for example, we'd all be excited the moment we heard of the signing...

J.

mike65 · 18-07-2012 10:56AM

5starpool wrote: »

While i generally like Dempsey (incident with Bellamy last season excepted) neither him nor Borini excite or fill me with renewed optimism for the season ahead (no more than Adam/Henderson/Downing did last season). If we are signing a player that will excite us by the very fact that he has signed, I hope it's not one of those. They may well excite me with their play, but they don't excite me by virtue of having signed.

NukaCola wrote: »

What?

Nothing jizz worthy by name but they may be jizz worthy in the team if it all works out.

mormank · 18-07-2012 11:01AM

Dickerty wrote: »

If you saw 1 car heading in one direction, and 15 other cars heading the other, would you assume that the 15 were going the wrong way??

Yes, loaning Carroll unless the purchase clause was non-negotiable and absolute would be a bad idea.

Haha, I have seen this on numerous occasions and can honestly say I've never really thought about it but now that I have thought about it I would just assume that they were headed to different places and not that 1 was "going the wrong way".

NukaCola · 18-07-2012 11:04AM

jasonb wrote: »

I presume what 5starpool means is that so far, he's not excited by who we've signed / are supposed to sign. Yes, they might play well on the field, and excite us there, but who we've signed so far hasn't been exciting.

That makes less sense....so ye want a player that excites you because of his name and what he looks like?

If you know they will excite you playing, isn't that the point?

NukaCola · 18-07-2012 11:05AM

mormank wrote: »

Haha, I have seen this on numerous occasions and can honestly say I've never really thought about it but now that I have thought about it I would just assume that they were headed to different places and not that 1 was "going the wrong way".

WTF is happening in this thread? Has it finally happend? Have i lost my mind?

atilladehun · 18-07-2012 11:06AM

-Ade- wrote: »

Seems not given this mornings news.

Wouldn't hold it against him if he wanted to move on. Agger could play for any top European side and not look out of place whatsoever.

I'd sell Skirtel for a $1 if it means we could keep Agger. He makes so many players look better. Our worst part of the season was when he was injured.

NukaCola · 18-07-2012 11:08AM

atilladehun wrote: »

I'd sell Skirtel for a $1 if it means we could keep Agger. He makes so many players look better. Our worst part of the season was when he was injured.

What, when Carra was playing? Is that not the correlation right there no? When Carra plays he makes everyone look poor?

ush · 18-07-2012 11:11AM

Kind of suprised the Rodgers didn't start by jettisoning Carragher off the playing staff.

Dickerty · 18-07-2012 11:13AM

NukaCola wrote: »

What, when Carra was playing? Is that not the correlation right there no? When Carra plays he makes everyone look poor?

Bingo! Nail und head.

If we had put Coates in for that spell alongside Skittles, I wonder if we'd have put in a better showing. Playing Carra was a retrograde step...

Dickerty · 18-07-2012 11:13AM

ush wrote: »

Kind of suprised the Rodgers didn't start by jettisoning Carragher off the playing staff.

And have all the locals baying for blood? Never...

While he was at is, tell the media that he didn't care for the Beatles, and that Bob Paisley was a git...

Mr Alan · 18-07-2012 11:14AM

ush wrote: »

Kind of suprised the Rodgers didn't start by jettisoning Carragher off the playing staff.

There's not a manager in the world who would have.

I suspect Carra will feature at least as much as he did last season.

Blatter · 18-07-2012 11:16AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

There's not a manager in the world who would have.

I suspect Carra will feature at least as much as he did last season.

I suspect Rodgers will move Coates firmly ahead of him in the pecking order tbh.

Kess73 · 18-07-2012 11:17AM

Blatter wrote: »

I suspect Rodgers will move Coates firmly ahead of him in the pecking order tbh.

Maybe as the season goes on, but I reckon when the season starts that Carragher will be the CB on the bench and Coates will be the one in the stands.

Dickerty · 18-07-2012 11:18AM

mormank wrote: »

Haha, I have seen this on numerous occasions and can honestly say I've never really thought about it but now that I have thought about it I would just assume that they were headed to different places and not that 1 was "going the wrong way".

Kind of missed the point there...they are all on the same side of the road?

I was suggesting that Mr Alan thinks one thing, and almost everyone else thinks something different, but he thinks we are all wrong and he's the only right one...

SlickRic · 18-07-2012 11:18AM

you don't just jettison Jamie Carragher, and it's a bit silly to think Rodgers was ever going to do that.

Dickerty · 18-07-2012 11:20AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

There's not a manager in the world who would have.

I suspect Carra will feature at least as much as he did last season.

I don't. Rodgers cannot on one hand say that Carroll is not a good enough passer to fit in, and then have Carra taking 8 seconds to pick a pass. Coates has been developed in a country where defenders see plenty of the ball are are expected to pass it, and run with it. He's MILES ahead of Carra on natural ability alone.

Mr Alan · 18-07-2012 11:21AM

Blatter wrote: »

I suspect Rodgers will move Coates firmly ahead of him in the pecking order tbh.

Certainly not for a while I wouldn't think.

Vurnon San Benito · 18-07-2012 11:22AM

Andy's coming home lads!

Mr Alan · 18-07-2012 11:24AM

Dickerty wrote: »

I don't. Rodgers cannot on one hand say that Carroll is not a good enough passer to fit in, and then have Carra taking 8 seconds to pick a pass. Coates has been developed in a country where defenders see plenty of the ball are are expected to pass it, and run with it. He's MILES ahead of Carra on natural ability alone.

Rodgers reasons for not wanting Carroll don't add up. Particularly when it looks increasingly likely Joe Cole has a future at the club. Shocking

Carra has been name checked by Rodgers since he got the job as an amazing player, someone he's looking forward to working with & someone who has a huge role to play for us next season.

NukaCola · 18-07-2012 11:24AM

If Rodgers wants Carroll out because he doesn't fit his system, then where does Carra fit in that system?

If Rodgers is consistant i would hope Carras playing days are restricted to Cameos....he was shown to be terrible last year and still got in the team, hopefully Rodgers is strong enough to bench him.

NukaCola · 18-07-2012 11:25AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Rodgers reasons for not wanting Carroll don't add up.

Please explain.

Chucky the tree · 18-07-2012 11:29AM

NukaCola wrote: »

If Rodgers wants Carroll out because he doesn't fit his system, then where does Carra fit in that system?

If Rodgers is consistant i would hope Carras playing days are restricted to Cameos....he was shown to be terrible last year and still got in the team, hopefully Rodgers is strong enough to bench him.

There's a huge difference between the skills your striker need and the skills your defender need, I thought that would be obvious.

Mr Alan · 18-07-2012 11:29AM

NukaCola wrote: »

Please explain.

See an article posted here yesterday.

See the fact he's not even met the player yet has said everyone will get a chance.

See his successful use of a similar, actually far inferior player in the same system in Danny Graham.

Kess73 · 18-07-2012 11:30AM

Dickerty wrote: »

I don't. Rodgers cannot on one hand say that Carroll is not a good enough passer to fit in, and then have Carra taking 8 seconds to pick a pass. Coates has been developed in a country where defenders see plenty of the ball are are expected to pass it, and run with it. He's MILES ahead of Carra on natural ability alone.

I think Carragher will be phased out slowly this season given it is the final year of his contract. I think if it were another CB with the exact same abilities/age etc as Carragher that was from London, then he would be starting the season as fourth choice. But Carragher, like it or not, does have a fair bit of influence thanks to the service he has given the club and also thanks to his contacts in the media.

Would be a very brave move by Rodgers if he tried to phase Carragher out straight away as he would need a very good start to his managerial career to avoid the backlash, and I would guarantee that a certain journo or two would be beating the drum through their pieces in the paper.

Would make more sense for Ridgers to use him as a sub at the start, and then push him down to 4th choice as the season went on.

NukaCola · 18-07-2012 11:31AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

See an article posted here yesterday.

See the fact he's not even met the player yet has said everyone will get a chance.

See his successful use of a similar inferior player in the same system in Danny Graham.

So your basing his reasons on conjecture rather than facts or quotes.......gotcha.....

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