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Circumcision???

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    #92
    Nothingbetter2d
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    lcrcboy wrote: »
    I could have gone to the mens lunge forum or whatever its called, but I thought this topic would better suit after hours as we have women on here as-well.

    So my question is this do you agree with circumcision or are you against it, would approve of it been done to your son or not??... and has it been done to you (this question for the lads).

    Personally I'm against it unless its down to medical reasons for which it needs to be done.

    options needed are
    i'm male and i agree only if its medically required
    i'm female and i agree only if its medically required


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    #93
    Solair
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    Duggy747 wrote: »
    No foreskin = No cock cheese :pac:

    Having all your teeth removed would also prevent cavities and bad breath, but I don't think many people would be too keen on that approach.


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    #94
    IvyTheTerrible
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    I'm expecting a baby boy in the next month and there is no way in hell I would consent to him having a circumcision, unless there was was a strong medical reason for it.

    He will be perfect without having to have any bit of him cut off. Also, I will be teaching him how to clean himself properly so the cleanliness argument is moot.

    Also I'm not religious but the religious argument never made sense to me, I mean if god created us in his image, why do we have to chop bits of ourselves off?


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    #95
    saa
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    Spoonman75 wrote: »
    As someone on this thread already mentioned, the foreskin has several useful purposes in the human male.
    Spoonman75 wrote: »
    I mean, you're taught at an early age to wash your hands.

    Yes I understand that but I'd still say your responses are ambiguous :pac:


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    #96
    smash
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    Around 40% of the women who voted agree with it? wtf... :(


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    #97
    Johnny Foreigner
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    smash wrote: »
    Around 40% of the women who voted agree with it? wtf... :(

    They are probably Muslim, Jewish, or just ignorant.


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    #98
    --Kaiser--
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    smash wrote: »
    Around 40% of the women who voted agree with it? wtf... :(

    I wonder what the reaction would be if the men voted in a similar ratio for female circumcision


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    #99
    Wibbs
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    IvyTheTerrible wrote: »
    Also I'm not religious but the religious argument never made sense to me, I mean if god created us in his image, why do we have to chop bits of ourselves off?
    It's a primitive blood sacrifice rite really. Common enough in religions. Also a cultural marker. I'm Jewish/Muslim therefore...
    --Kaiser-- wrote: »
    I wonder what the reaction would be if the men voted in a similar ratio for female circumcision
    No doubt outrage, but people are rarely objective about their own culture. There are a number of US based groups fighting against female genital mutilation in other cultures and most don't see the irony of automatically removing bits of their own newborn sons genitals. But it's OK when your culture does something, but if the others/wogs/thirdworlders/non jew/christian does it? OHMIGAAAWD!

    Worse their doctors are usually hellbent on the practice. Mate of mine married an American lass and they had a son. He had to fight tooth and nail against the medical staff automatically having his son circumcised. The bullshít he was fed about it was unreal. He actually stopped a nurse taking his child away to have it done, although he had already made his feelings known(as did his wife) and even threatened to sue their arses. Given he's a solicitor by trade this was no idle threat. She told him he was being a bad father. Morons.

    It was medical fashion* here and in the UK for a time too, but we grew out of it. Hell look back not so long ago at the appalling suffering meted out by doctors where women in this country underwent dodgy reproductive surgeries(with government and church backing). "Doctor always knows best" is not always true. If you're a patient, research research research. 90% of the time the doctors will be correct, but better to check anyway.






    *Medicine like any human endeavour can have fashions/trends. In my age group every single friend of mine had their tonsils out. It was almost a rite of passage. Then there were glue ear operations, antibiotics for everyone in the audience(I would worry anti depressants are similar today), before that routine circumcisions. During such trends received wisdom tends to cocoon itself from objective debate. IMHO received wisdom should always be debated as it's an area most likely to hide mistakes.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #100
    Biggins
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    European Jewish and Muslim groups have joined forces to defend circumcision for young boys on religious grounds after a German regional court ruled it amounted to bodily harm.
    The ruling by the Cologne court - also criticised by the Israeli parliament - does not apply to the whole of Germany.

    But Germany's Medical Association told doctors not to perform circumcisions.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18807040

    No more snip-snip in parts of Germany then!


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    #101
    opinion guy
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    Biggins wrote: »
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18807040

    No more snip-snip in parts of Germany then!


    Or maybe more snip-snip - Angela Merkel has decide to take great big shlt stirring oar and help boil the arugment up a bit:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18833145

    Really? Why woman, why ????


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    #102
    Miss Lockhart
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    I'm female and against it except for adult males who choose to have it done.


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    #103
    Wibbs
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    Biggins wrote: »
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18807040

    No more snip-snip in parts of Germany then!
    Good call. If many are all too happy to laugh at/disapprove at religion and the religious and most see us moving beyond most of that guff, I don't see why removing the right of religious parents to mutilate their kids is such a big issue. Any form of female genital mutilation(even the least severe) is banned in most civilised nations, so don't see why this one should remain OK because of some bronze age daftness that continues to this day.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #104
    Chinasea
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    It seems to be totally acceptable still in the US.:eek:

    I couldn't believe when Christina María Aguilera ran off like a sheep and got her baby 'done' just cause her husband's faith still practices this hocus pocus nonsense.

    What kinda f*cked up progressive thinking is that Christina?


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    #105
    Chuck Stone
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    It's a tricky issue to tackle because banning it would surely mean that circumcision would be driven underground. Driving circumcision underground would likely have the effect of increasing the rate of 'kitchen table surgery' which would result in the banning doing more harm than good.

    I do think that the people who do partake in circumcision should have to fund their own regulated surgeries with qualified health workers.


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    #106
    steddyeddy
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    Just curious but is it only a religous thing? Its been very common in our family on my fathers side. Were definatly not Jewish but my fathers side is a little more exotic than my mother's pure celt side.


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    #107
    someuser905
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    its child abuse mutilation


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    #108
    Pedant
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Just curious but is it only a religous thing? Its been very common in our family on my fathers side. Were definatly not Jewish but my fathers side is a little more exotic than my mother's pure celt side.

    No, it's not only religious as far as I know. Some people naively believe that it will improve their sex lives.


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    #109
    Neeson
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    IvyTheTerrible wrote:
    Also, I will be teaching him how to clean himself properly so the cleanliness argument is moot.

    So do all parents give a pull and wash to their little fellas willy in the bath?


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    #110
    steddyeddy
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    Pedant wrote: »
    No, it's not only religious as far as I know. Some people naively believe that it will improve their sex lives.

    Actually it improves the sex lives of whoever I sleep with :P


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    #111
    seamus
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    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    It's a tricky issue to tackle because banning it would surely mean that circumcision would be driven underground. Driving circumcision underground would likely have the effect of increasing the rate of 'kitchen table surgery' which would result in the banning doing more harm than good.
    Being cold about it, that's Darwin in effect. If parents are dumb enough to do this underground when it provides no benefit whatsoever, then the human race is better off without their offspring as members.


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    #112
    Pedant
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Actually it improves the sex lives of whoever I sleep with :P
    I imagine, but surely not the other way around. The foreskin is there for a reason; to keep the sensitivity of the glans.


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    #113
    My name is URL
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    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    It's a tricky issue to tackle because banning it would surely mean that circumcision would be driven underground. Driving circumcision underground would likely have the effect of increasing the rate of 'kitchen table surgery' which would result in the banning doing more harm than good.

    I do think that the people who do partake in circumcision should have to fund their own regulated surgeries with qualified health workers.

    I doubt too many would turn to the underground to have it done if there was a threat of a hefty jail sentence for doing so. It's an extreme form of child abuse at the end of the day, and it shouldn't be accepted by society as a whole just because it makes up part of a minority's faith system.

    An individuals right to bodily integrity should always outweigh someone else's right to religious freedom.


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    #114
    gcgirl
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Pedant wrote: »
    No, it's not only religious as far as I know. Some people naively believe that it will improve their sex lives.

    Actually it improves the sex lives of whoever I sleep with :P
    The lack of sensitivity would prolong the actual act of intercourse so you last 5 mins as oppose to 2 mins :)


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    #115
    steddyeddy
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    Why am I talking about this online :S


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    #116
    opinion guy
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Why am I talking about this online :S

    Why are you asking us ?:confused:


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    #117
    steddyeddy
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    opinion guy wrote: »
    Why are you asking us ?:confused:

    No idea really :S. Ah no Im unfotunatly the type that would talk about this offline to so no difference really.


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    #118
    Gael23
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    I had it done purely for medical reasons but I would never have had one if it wasn't nessecary.


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    #119
    Chuck Stone
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    seamus wrote: »
    Being cold about it, that's Darwin in effect. If parents are dumb enough to do this underground when it provides no benefit whatsoever, then the human race is better off without their offspring as members.

    Christ that is very cold.
    My name is URL wrote: »
    An individuals right to bodily integrity should always outweigh someone else's right to religious freedom.

    Oh I'm in full agreement. I'm just wondering whether banning would be beneficial in the grand scheme of things. Perhaps a large serving of education with a drizzle of stigma would be a better approach?

    I dunno.


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    #120
    steddyeddy
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    ryanf1 wrote: »
    I had it done purely for medical reasons but I would never have had one if it wasn't nessecary.

    Mine wasnt medical but to be honest it doesnt bother me in the slightest. To the best of my knowledge it doesnt bother any girl I have been with either.


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    #121
    Gael23
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Mine wasnt medical but to be honest it doesnt bother me in the slightest. To the best of my knowledge it doesnt bother any girl I have been with either.
    I had it done about age 11 or thereabouts so I guess I never had any experience from that point of view:)


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