Clare GAA discussion thread

billo.d86 · 10-07-2012 09:33AM

Sweet double header on Saturday!! Yupouradat!!

TV3 saying triple header though??

Clareman · 10-07-2012 10:11AM

billo.d86 wrote: »

Sweet double header on Saturday!! Yupouradat!!

TV3 saying triple header though??

Tipperary Wexford in the football at 3, Cork Wexford in hurling at 5 followed by the main event at 7

[-0-] · 10-07-2012 01:08PM

TV3 again? Christ.

tricialou · 10-07-2012 04:56PM

billo.d86 wrote: »

Very surprised that there isnt much chat on the hurling from Sat or is everyone still dying after it! Great match, great to have the passion back in the terraces instead of a sense of consternation.

We were like a dog with a bone that wouldnt let go in the second half!
Some great displays from the likes of Bugler who gets a lot of grief, he was immense.
Tony Kelly as savage for a fella making his debut, dispite the poor celebration!
Donnellan played some great ball in the second half, as did Donovan.
Conlon was a very impressive and Collins was everywhere!

I am from Clare and delighted they won but have to say davy fitz is becoming more and more cringeworthy every time. He is the lauging stock of other counties and his actions are regularly the butt of jokes in newpapers outside of Clare.
Did anyone see the galway manager looking for attention on Sunday after a historic win (it will go down in the history books) over Galway. He acted the way a manager should act. calm and collected.
If a manager cant keep his head during a game how are the players suppossed to! Has anyone ever seen Brian Cody ffffing and blinding and jumping around like a nutcase. At the end of the day it is about attention and he is taking attention and concentration away from the players. At the end of the day its a first round qualifier not a all ireland and they were lucky to get it against a dead legged Dublin team! Let the players celebrate and keep the head Davy !!!

tricialou · 10-07-2012 04:59PM

tricialou wrote: »

I am from Clare and delighted they won but have to say davy fitz is becoming more and more cringeworthy every time. He is the lauging stock of other counties and his actions are regularly the butt of jokes in newpapers outside of Clare.
Did anyone see the galway manager looking for attention on Sunday after a historic win (it will go down in the history books) over Galway. He acted the way a manager should act. calm and collected.
If a manager cant keep his head during a game how are the players suppossed to! Has anyone ever seen Brian Cody ffffing and blinding and jumping around like a nutcase. At the end of the day it is about attention and he is taking attention and concentration away from the players. At the end of the day its a first round qualifier not a all ireland and they were lucky to get it against a dead legged Dublin team! Let the players celebrate and keep the head Davy !!!

Oh ya and people may argue that he has passion ! Every Gaa player and manager from underage - Junior A etc has passion otherwise they wouldnt be out 3 nights a week in the lashing rain during the winter. Managers like Anthony Daly and Brian Cody have passion but dont act like that !!!!

premierstone · 10-07-2012 05:06PM

tricialou wrote: »

I am from Clare and delighted they won but have to say davy fitz is becoming more and more cringeworthy every time. He is the lauging stock of other counties and his actions are regularly the butt of jokes in newpapers outside of Clare.
Did anyone see the galway manager looking for attention on Sunday after a historic win (it will go down in the history books) over Galway. He acted the way a manager should act. calm and collected.
If a manager cant keep his head during a game how are the players suppossed to! Has anyone ever seen Brian Cody ffffing and blinding and jumping around like a nutcase. At the end of the day it is about attention and he is taking attention and concentration away from the players. At the end of the day its a first round qualifier not a all ireland and they were lucky to get it against a dead legged Dublin team! Let the players celebrate and keep the head Davy !!!

Couldnt agree more, it was a great win and ye have a very promising bunch of players with huge potential but there were no medals giving out last Sat night and Davy was completely OTT, he seems to make a point of making sure he is right in front of the camera too when he is leaping around like a lunatic, bit of an attention seeker is wee Davy.

Fireball07 · 10-07-2012 05:22PM

I must say I like Davy... there have been times when I've been really annoyed with him, but he's a bit of a laugh and obviously very passionate about Clare hurling.

As for the butt of the jokes thing, I don't doubt it, but is it really mockery when he plays up to that image so much?

tricialou · 10-07-2012 05:28PM

premierstone wrote: »

Couldnt agree more, it was a great win and ye have a very promising bunch of players with huge potential but there were no medals giving out last Sat night and Davy was completely OTT, he seems to make a point of making sure he is right in front of the camera too when he is leaping around like a lunatic, bit of an attention seeker is wee Davy.

Maybe he wasnt cuddled enough as a child ha ha !!

tricialou · 10-07-2012 05:35PM

Fireball07 wrote: »

I must say I like Davy... there have been times when I've been really annoyed with him, but he's a bit of a laugh and obviously very passionate about Clare hurling.

As for the butt of the jokes thing, I don't doubt it, but is it really mockery when he plays up to that image so much?

oh for gods sake he was crying during an interview after a qualifier last year with Waterford. cant remember if it was Galway or Dublin they beat. Any manager worth his salt would realise it s only a qualifier and be looking to the next game.
it s like crying when you pass a x mas test yet the leaving cert is in June!!!

tricialou · 10-07-2012 05:48PM

Clareman wrote: »

Just back from the match, the ref didn't do us any favours. Clare were completely dominated at midfield and half back line, you could also see difference between Division 1 and 4 footballers, Cork were more clinical in everything they did.

dont know loads about football but was surprised to see an article in the paper where the clare manager said we cant get more than 10 wides if we are to have any chance!! did he know who he was playing? Jesus they couldnt afford to get ANY wides and they got enough of them as well well over 10!!!

ontheditch2 · 10-07-2012 07:20PM

premierstone wrote: »

Couldnt agree more, it was a great win and ye have a very promising bunch of players with huge potential but there were no medals giving out last Sat night and Davy was completely OTT, he seems to make a point of making sure he is right in front of the camera too when he is leaping around like a lunatic, bit of an attention seeker is wee Davy.

TBH, the cameras are right in his face, he doesn't go looking for the cameramen at the end of the game, they follow him like leeches when the game is nearing the end.

grenache · 11-07-2012 12:43AM

Davy gets too involved himself with things actually happening on the pitch. He needs to calm down and mature a little. He reminds me of an u-14s coach who thinks he can run onto the field at any time. If he has his team properly prepared, he should not need to do all this shouting and gesturing. Again last Saturday evening, he got involved with a Dublin player by trying to get to the ball first when it went out for a sideline, it's real needless and muppetry stuff. You won't see John Allen or JBM on Saturday behaving like this. Both are successful managers. Davy could learn a thing or two from how they carry themselves.

billo.d86 · 12-07-2012 02:11PM

Looks lads the simple fact is that Davy is abit wired.....the other managers probably arent, he was wired playing and its not something you just switch off!

No matter what team he was with he has always acting the same, and for that I have to say makes him a genuine person with a character and players like that!

Be maybe the butt of jokes in some counties, but he who laughs last my friends, laughs longest!

The reason for his reaction last Saturday night was the same as mine, unlike most counties in Munster, Tipp & Cork & Waterford may well forget these things. Clare having done much in a while. I was the first championship win since 2008!

Whats the damage for tickets on Saturday??? :P

buck65 · 12-07-2012 03:10PM

Who gives a **** what he's like on the sideline, his team has been promoted to Div 1 A, they should have beaten Waterford and they beat a fancied Dublin side.
He has brought Clare on alot form Sparrow's reign.
This is all that matters to anyone in Clare.

Limestone1 · 12-07-2012 10:10PM

tricialou wrote: »

I am from Clare and delighted they won but have to say davy fitz is becoming more and more cringeworthy every time. He is the lauging stock of other counties and his actions are regularly the butt of jokes in newpapers outside of Clare.
Did anyone see the galway manager looking for attention on Sunday after a historic win (it will go down in the history books) over Galway. He acted the way a manager should act. calm and collected.
If a manager cant keep his head during a game how are the players suppossed to! Has anyone ever seen Brian Cody ffffing and blinding and jumping around like a nutcase. At the end of the day it is about attention and he is taking attention and concentration away from the players. At the end of the day its a first round qualifier not a all ireland and they were lucky to get it against a dead legged Dublin team! Let the players celebrate and keep the head Davy !!!

It takes all sorts and personally I think the game needs a few characters like Davy - its great to see a bit of craziness every now and then.

jv2000 · 13-07-2012 08:52AM

tricialou wrote: »

I am from Clare and delighted they won but have to say davy fitz is becoming more and more cringeworthy every time. He is the lauging stock of other counties and his actions are regularly the butt of jokes in newpapers outside of Clare.
Did anyone see the galway manager looking for attention on Sunday after a historic win (it will go down in the history books) over Galway. He acted the way a manager should act. calm and collected.
If a manager cant keep his head during a game how are the players suppossed to! Has anyone ever seen Brian Cody ffffing and blinding and jumping around like a nutcase. At the end of the day it is about attention and he is taking attention and concentration away from the players. At the end of the day its a first round qualifier not a all ireland and they were lucky to get it against a dead legged Dublin team! Let the players celebrate and keep the head Davy !!!

I don't think it is fair to criticise this, it is not anything new. Davy has been like that for years. I always remember going to my first Clare match back in the mid 90s. He was off his head crazy, jumping all over the place and shouting.... just the TV cameras never showed it. I think its just a mixture of passion and probably too much energy. I have no problem at all with the way he is acting, at least he doesnt act like John Mullane. Also it is great to know that Clare have a manager who wants the best for the county and wants to achieve great things.

premierstone · 13-07-2012 10:30AM

Limestone1 wrote: »

It takes all sorts and personally I think the game needs a few characters like Davy - its great to see a bit of craziness every now and then.

jv2000 wrote: »

I don't think it is fair to criticise this, it is not anything new. Davy has been like that for years. I always remember going to my first Clare match back in the mid 90s. He was off his head crazy, jumping all over the place and shouting.... just the TV cameras never showed it. I think its just a mixture of passion and probably too much energy. I have no problem at all with the way he is acting, at least he doesnt act like John Mullane. Also it is great to know that Clare have a manager who wants the best for the county and wants to achieve great things.

Do ye not feel however that it shows an awfull lack of respect for opponents and officials, some of the abuse he has directed at referees and linesmaen is nothing short of disgracefull.

I appreciate he is a passionate guy and that it to be admired in a way, but it also needs to be controlled and if the manager is out of control, it is inevitable that eventually it will spread to the players.

Not sure what the comment about John Mullane is about, can't remember Mullane ever doing anything too bad on the field, bit of silly fist pumping and badge kissing but never in an opponents face or anything its always to teh Waterford fans.

jv2000 · 13-07-2012 11:44AM

premierstone wrote: »

Do ye not feel however that it shows an awfull lack of respect for opponents and officials, some of the abuse he has directed at referees and linesmaen is nothing short of disgracefull.

I appreciate he is a passionate guy and that it to be admired in a way, but it also needs to be controlled and if the manager is out of control, it is inevitable that eventually it will spread to the players.

Not sure what the comment about John Mullane is about, can't remember Mullane ever doing anything too bad on the field, bit of silly fist pumping and badge kissing but never in an opponents face or anything its always to teh Waterford fans.

I am a bit torn, I have an obvious Clare bias

I would never support unjustified slagging of referees etc as that is going to help nobody. You are right as well that maybe Davy going mad jumping all over the place could be perceived as offensive to the other teams. But I have to say that IMHO he is always respectful of the other teams and managers in interviews.

The John Mullane comment actually relates directly to Davy, when Waterford beat Clare this year it was John Mullane all in Davy's face and not the other way round.

billo.d86 · 13-07-2012 11:45AM

premierstone wrote: »

Do ye not feel however that it shows an awfull lack of respect for opponents and officials, some of the abuse he has directed at referees and linesmaen is nothing short of disgracefull.

I appreciate he is a passionate guy and that it to be admired in a way, but it also needs to be controlled and if the manager is out of control, it is inevitable that eventually it will spread to the players.

Not sure what the comment about John Mullane is about, can't remember Mullane ever doing anything too bad on the field, bit of silly fist pumping and badge kissing but never in an opponents face or anything its always to teh Waterford fans.

I think the John Mullane quote is in reference to his reaction after the Waterford v Clare game, i.e jumping into Davy's face basically after the final whistle.
But he has a track record of stupidity, which is a pity bcause he is a class hurler.

I think its about time that Clare stood up for themselves and stop being see as the poor relation in Munster.

Davy I feel wants to instill that mentality into this group of young players he has, get the mindset of the 90's teams back.

Clare never get favours off Refs, Umpries or the G.A.A council. I wont go and bring the skeletons out of the closet, but I'm sure Jimmy Cooney would know what I'm talking about.

There's no place for soft touches in Championship winning teams, the future looks bright.

jv2000 · 13-07-2012 11:56AM

billo.d86 wrote: »

I think the John Mullane quote is in reference to his reaction after the Waterford v Clare game, i.e jumping into Davy's face basically after the final whistle.
But he has a track record of stupidity, which is a pity bcause he is a class hurler.

I think its about time that Clare stood up for themselves and stop being see as the poor relation in Munster.

Davy I feel wants to instill that mentality into this group of young players he has, get the mindset of the 90's teams back.

Clare never get favours off Refs, Umpries or the G.A.A council. I wont go and bring the skeletons out of the closet, but I'm sure Jimmy Cooney would know what I'm talking about.

There's no place for soft touches in Championship winning teams, the future looks bright.

Don't mention Jimmy Cooney

I had almost forgotten...... although I suspect I will never forget. Also I have a friend who will not go to anything GAA related anymore after the U-21 fiasco a couple of years back.

premierstone · 13-07-2012 12:24PM

billo.d86 wrote: »

Davy I feel wants to instill that mentality into this group of young players he has, get the mindset of the 90's teams back.

See IMHO thats the biggest mistake Clare hurling could ever do and that is why it was a mistake to appoint Davy in the first place, forget the 90's its gone, this is a new set of players with completly new set of attributes, and FWIW potentially better hurlers IMO.

Clareman · 13-07-2012 01:13PM

I agree with Premierstone, Clare need to turn their back on the 90s and realise that they need to go outside of that team to get brought through to the next level, I don't think there's ever been a team to have so many managers/coaches from 1 team, off the top of my head
Davey - Clare, Waterford, LIT and countless other teams.
Brian Lohan - Clare minors
Daly - Clare and Dublin
Ollie Baker - Offaly
Jamesy - Clare minors
Sparrow - Clare
Cyril Lyons - Clare and Clare u-21s

1 of the reasons these players can make a great manager is because they know what's needed to be done from the start, they know the grassroots, the extra training, fitness, whatever, they'll do whatever it takes to win. Clare on the otherhand has the same county board in place as 20 years ago and are still delussioned with the fact that we're a top table county, we need another Len Gaynor to come in get us setup properly and THEN have someone come in to put on the finishing touches.

keane2097 · 13-07-2012 01:14PM

Gob****e manager can take the focus off the players to the positive sometimes.

buck65 · 13-07-2012 01:39PM

Clareman wrote: »

I agree with Premierstone, Clare need to turn their back on the 90s and realise that they need to go outside of that team

Absolutely bizarre statement, Clare are having their best season since 2008.
Yes Davy Fitz was on that 90s team but no one hurling for Clare now were, it is a new team completely with a new playing style and training regime.
By all accounts no expense is being spared. County board are doing as their told.

deisefolife · 13-07-2012 07:15PM

buck65 wrote: »

Absolutely bizarre statement, Clare are having their best season since 2008.
By all accounts no expense is being spared. County board are doing as their told.

I LMFAO at that comment.all day long..

no expense is being spared... after what he done to the Waterford county board..

buck65 · 13-07-2012 08:47PM

what did he done?

premierstone · 14-07-2012 06:29PM

buck65 wrote: »

what did he done?

lol english and hurling two things you clearly struggle with

pugw · 14-07-2012 06:50PM

Screw all the knockers I hope davey and d lads put a marker down tonight! Cmon the Banner

Fireball07 · 15-07-2012 12:53AM

Hard luck Clare, it was a good game but even though ye lost, there's plenty of hope for the future.

Tony Kelly is obviously a class hurler and in general there's a young team there, I mean what age is Conor McGrath?? Conlon, O'Connell, Cooney, O'Donovan,etc. are all young too.

I was particularly impressed with Galvin today, thought he was fantastic. Put in a huge amount of work and got a few good scores too.

Clareman · 15-07-2012 11:42AM

I think we've a lot to be positives to take out of yesterdays game, a couple of small things and we could have won the game, we should have taken out points from the 2 missed 21s, especially the second one, there hadn't been a score in ages and the next score was going to be vital, the old adage "take your points and the goals will come".

More importantly we seriously need to tighten up in defence, for the the first time every (that I can remember) we have no problem with forwards (except for the half forwards giving away soft frees), each of the goals we conceded in the championship this year could have been stopped by a more decisive full back line (I'm including the free conceded against Waterford btw).

1 of the massive positives for us after this year is that we're a team that has a plan b, our game plan of choice is a short passing game with a 2 man full forward line, if that isn't working we can change to a more standard 6 forwards direct game (which I think we're better suited for).

For next year I think we have to aim to retain top flight status in the top division and win a Munster championship match with qualification to an All Ireland semi being a stretch target.

Now for the county to get behind the footballers, they are into the last 12 in Ireland now and there's a few teams left in the draw that they would fancy their chances against.

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