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Car Stolen in 2009

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  • #152
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,466 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Antares wrote: »
    To take back a stolen car?
    To keep it at the station until the OP taxes it.


  • #153
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,466 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    hondasam wrote: »
    It takes any guard two seconds to run the reg to see if it's on the stolen list.It's not rocket science believe me.
    If it was reported stolen and never recovered it stays on the system with a status of stolen.
    It seems the DOT does not have access to this database.


  • #154
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Antares wrote: »
    To take back a stolen car?

    They can recover it but they cannot hold onto it, the owner is entitled to get it taken from the station on a truck, no insurance or tax so can't be driven.


  • #155
    MugMugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,871 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    hondasam wrote: »
    Antares wrote: »
    To take back a stolen car?

    They can recover it but they cannot hold onto it, the owner is entitled to get it taken from the station on a truck, no insurance or tax so can't be driven.

    I mistook the no authority bit :)


  • #156
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    It seems the DOT does not have access to this database.

    The system is integrated with PULSE but not sure if DOT can see the status of veh's


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  • #157
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,466 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    hondasam wrote: »
    The system is integrated with PULSE but not sure if DOT can see the status of veh's
    Which seems to be the issue here.


  • #158
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    Which seems to be the issue here.

    DOT should be able to see if it's stolen I would imagine.


  • #159
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,466 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    hondasam wrote: »
    DOT should be able to see if it's stolen I would imagine.
    They say they can't.


  • #160
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    They have no lawful authority to do so.

    Are they under an obligation to store it indefinately for the OP?


  • #161
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    They say they can't.

    Possibly once they load the info they no longer have access to it.


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  • #162
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,466 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Are they under an obligation to store it indefinately for the OP?
    No.


  • #163
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Are they under an obligation to store it indefinately for the OP?

    Absolutely not. He will be told to get it in order or sign a disclaimer and they will crush it.


  • #164
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Thats what I was gettign at. What if he decides he has no where to put it for a week say and refuses to sign a waiver. Are they between the proverbial rock and hard place?


  • #165
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    Quazzie wrote: »
    It seems that way. So basically, rob a car from outside an apartment (generally short term residents) then sit on it for a few years, and register it to yourself.

    So....(head hurts)....really all you need then is the VIN number to 'legally' steal a car.

    Find someone who's on holidays for a few weeks (or working abroad, plenty of those around these days)....

    Write to the most helpful people in the DOT to have the car registered in your name. They'll send a letter which will likely not be answered. You get the car registered in your name.....report it stolen...tell the guards you know where it is....and they'll even deliver it to your house....

    That can't be right can it? Please someone tell me I missed something somewhere and there is no way that this could actually work?

    (if I don't reply it's cause i'm outside filing all the VIN numbers off the car)


  • #166
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    I would not fancy driving around in a car that's on the U/T list.


  • #167
    Frynge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Frynge


    To clarify them storing the car, they are going to allow me keep it in the car park because they are nice people.

    I've just sent off an email to minister howlin because i met him the week before last and if this becomes a manner in which car are stolen and then legally put back on the road then it sure as hell need reforming.


  • #168
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Frynge wrote: »
    To clarify them storing the car, they are going to allow me keep it in the car park because they are nice people.

    Indefinitely free of charge?

    And if anything happens to it while in the car park who is responsible?


  • #169
    Frynge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Frynge


    hondasam wrote: »
    Indefinitely free of charge?

    And if anything happens to it while in the car park who is responsible?

    i assume not, a week maybe two


  • #170
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Frynge wrote: »
    i assume not, a week maybe two

    I'm struggling to understand why they have not recovered it tbh. You reported what happened and I assume they checked to see if it's still on the U/T list.
    Have you gone back to them to see if there is any update?


  • #171
    Frynge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Frynge


    When i was in the garda station today the garda rang the department and then put through another request for the information and was told again by the DoT that they are very busy and will got onto it.

    This will get sorted tomorrow though.

    I'm still amazed that i have to actually call them on the matter.


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  • #172
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    Frynge wrote: »
    To clarify them storing the car, they are going to allow me keep it in the car park because they are nice people.

    I've just sent off an email to minister howlin because i met him the week before last and if this becomes a manner in which car are stolen and then legally put back on the road then it sure as hell need reforming.

    If you don't hear back from him you should see if you can manage to get your hands on the VIN number for his car.....you might be able to point out the problem to him

    :cool:


  • #173
    Frynge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Frynge


    wexie wrote: »
    If you don't hear back from him you should see if you can manage to get your hands on the VIN number for his car.....you might be able to point out the problem to him

    :cool:

    Genius


  • #174
    pegasus1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭pegasus1


    Yeah right, busy with all the new car sales/second hand car sales:rolleyes:..probably too busy in the queue at the continuous coffee breaks!

    Sorry to read about your woes OP, hope all is sorted for you soon,it's all a bit iroish!


  • #175
    ferretone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 638 ✭✭✭ferretone


    Sorry to hear of your woes, Frynge. This is the whole problem with the public sector, that we just aren't allowed to mention. They have so much power over our lives, are paid their wages by us, and yet they show no accountability. It's at their discretion whether they bother to deal with our issue or not.

    I've found it is literally the whims of these people that decide an issue. Ok, it was just the motor tax office in my case, but I had a real problem when I wanted to retax my hubby's van after the new crack-down came in. He's a sparky, and often used to use his own van going to clients (doesn't run a van now, but still works for same employer), so I tried to use proof that he worked for his sparky firm to tax his van, no good. I actually rang my local councillor, who suggested I just bring in his commercial vehicle insurance documents in, which worked fine, but in fairness the motoer tax lady could just as well have told me that, but chose not to.

    Then just recently, I stupidly misplaced my driving licence, and then landed in to get a duplicate shortly before the office closed, partly due to the police part taking such a long wait. My address had changed since I got the original, so I needed documents that I hadn't brought in, but which were in my car. The exact same lady who was so unhelpful on the commercial tax matter said, yes her time was up, but I should go down to my car, and gave me her name to give the receptionist to call her back, so she could get all my documents for the duplicate licence application. Which she did, and I had it in a couple days.

    That's what I mean about discretion and whims. Bureaucrats have so much power that I believe even legislators fear to cross them. Let's hope they feel positively towards your case!


  • #176
    Frynge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Frynge


    Just got a call back from the DoT and was told the gardai were informed last Thursday. There is also a genuine reason they weren't informed beforehand. They only get notified by the insurance company's or the tax office, there is not cross talk between their computers and the gardai's. In the Garda station now waiting on an update.


  • #177
    Frynge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Frynge


    It is currently being investigated by the stolen vehicle unit in the phoenix park and I have someone to contact now


  • #178
    cyrusdvirus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    Frynge wrote: »
    Just got a call back from the DoT and was told the gardai were informed last Thursday. There is also a genuine reason they weren't informed beforehand. They only get notified by the insurance company's or the tax office, there is not cross talk between their computers and the gardai's. In the Garda station now waiting on an update.

    just wondering, did you not contact the tax office when you got a renewal cert for the tax for the car?

    I remember having to contact them when Car#1 was car-napped and killed, cos even though the insurance had paid out i STILL got a NCT & Tax demand/reminder....


  • #179
    Henry Ford III
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 18,089 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Frynge wrote: »
    It is currently being investigated by the stolen vehicle unit in the phoenix park and I have someone to contact now

    Progress at last!


  • #180
    Gary ITR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,800 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    If you need to borrow a clamp when you get the car back I have one :)


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  • #181
    MugMugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,871 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    This better be some machine with all the reading effort I've put into this thread over the past while :D;)


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