Bloody Sunday Murder investigation to begin!

getzls · 06-07-2012 10:40PM

Nodin wrote: »

Do please explain.

If the I.R.A. commander Martin McGuinness can not tell the truth at the inquiry what was the point of it. Was he not there? Getting his old Granny a pint of milk and missed it? Why was he nicknamed Machine gun McGuinness? Answers on a postcard if you prefer.

karma_ · 06-07-2012 10:50PM

getzls wrote: »

Was he not there? Getting his old Granny a pint of milk and missed it?

Stay classy mate. Fourteen innocent people died, had their reputations tarnished and those responsible never even lost their jobs.

Yet here we are, 2 years after Saville when the truth finally came out and STILL there's some people out there who would still cast doubt on that, and instead try score cheap political points or go on anti-SF rants.

Here's the thing, Bloody Sunday has nothing to do with SF, nothing to do with any other incident of the Troubles and I wish people on all sides would drop the horseshít dragging it up over and over again on Bloody Sunday threads.

Bloody Sunday is about the families of those who died, it's about the people of Derry and looking some deserved Justice. Those people that day weren't marching for Republicanism, they were marching for Civil Rights.

getzls · 06-07-2012 10:54PM

Karma. I am not doubting most if not all were unlawfully killed that day.

karma_ · 06-07-2012 11:01PM

getzls wrote: »

Karma. I am not doubting most if not all were unlawfully killed that day.

OK so, then what's your problem with a Police investigation?

A verdict of unlawful killing generally leads to a police investigation, with the aim of gathering sufficient evidence to identify, charge and prosecute the culprit(s).

Don't all murderers no matter who they are deserve to be brought to justice? Why in your view should the Bloody Sunday victims be any different?

Nodin · 06-07-2012 11:46PM

getzls wrote: »

If the I.R.A. commander Martin McGuinness can not tell the truth at the inquiry what was the point of it. Was he not there? Getting his old Granny a pint of milk and missed it? Why was he nicknamed Machine gun McGuinness? Answers on a postcard if you prefer.

What the fuck has that to do with the overall verdict?

fasttalkerchat · 07-07-2012 12:01AM

getzls wrote: »

If the I.R.A. commander Martin McGuinness can not tell the truth at the inquiry what was the point of it. Was he not there? Getting his old Granny a pint of milk and missed it? Why was he nicknamed Machine gun McGuinness? Answers on a postcard if you prefer.

Half of Derry were IRA members. The other half joined after Bloody Sunday. Of course there were members in the city that day. There was no active IRA operation and all 14 were innocent people murdered by British soldiers. You picked a bad thread.

getzls · 07-07-2012 12:16AM

karma_ wrote: »

OK so, then what's your problem with a Police investigation?

Don't all murderers no matter who they are deserve to be brought to justice? Why in your view should the Bloody Sunday victims be any different?

There's a saying doing the rounds. The Hierarchy of victims. Why no inquiries over, for example the killing of children in their prams? That would not appease S.F. Or an inquirey over two of my friends who were murdered by the I.R.A. The Police will leave MMG alone, and others like him.

Tiocfaidh Armani · 07-07-2012 12:58AM

getzls wrote: »

There's a saying doing the rounds. The Hierarchy of victims. Why no inquiries over, for example the killing of children in their prams? That would not appease S.F. Or an inquirey over two of my friends who were murdered by the I.R.A. The Police will leave MMG alone, and others like him.

Why no inquiries? Because every time the IRA farted there was a massive police and state operation to get those responsible. Was that done here? No. The opposite actually. Hence the need for an inquiry because of the lack of one previously. Duh.

PieandMash · 07-07-2012 02:22AM

karma_ wrote: »

Stay classy mate. Fourteen innocent people died, had their reputations tarnished and those responsible never even lost their jobs.

Yet here we are, 2 years after Saville when the truth finally came out and STILL there's some people out there who would still cast doubt on that, and instead try score cheap political points or go on anti-SF rants.

Here's the thing, Bloody Sunday has nothing to do with SF, nothing to do with any other incident of the Troubles and I wish people on all sides would drop the horseshít dragging it up over and over again on Bloody Sunday threads.

Bloody Sunday is about the families of those who died, it's about the people of Derry and looking some deserved Justice. Those people that day weren't marching for Republicanism, they were marching for Civil Rights.

Wasn't that the point of the Good Friday Agreement? To put the past to the past and to move into peaceful times? All this is doing is opening a can of worms, trying to prosecute people for crimes they committed 40 years ago and trying to create a hierarchy of victims.

Why can't people just stick to the Good Friday Agreement and just move on? The past is the past, the people who got murdered on Bloody Sunday are dead. End of story.

Many people from the Protestant community would like Martin Mcguinness locked up for Claudy or Gerry Adams for the murder of Jean McConville but ain't going to happen.

Just stop this nonsense and move. The younger generation is not interested in this any more. It is over, please try to move on and stop being bitter about it.

There is no point in learning about the names of the soldiers who did it when you have thousands of unsolved murder cases and the people who committed them unknown and we will never know and many people would actually like to just put it all to the side and move on.

This is history now, it is all in the past and it should stay in the past. Stop trying to bring it all back up again.

carbon nanotube · 07-07-2012 02:57AM

getzls wrote: »

British justice is/was a lot better than the I.R.A. justice. Yes i think some were murdered then. Do we jail these solders now and let Martin the DFM stay free? No i say.

the same brit justice that jailed the northern lads, birmingham six lads because of their accents?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 07-07-2012 04:17AM

Fenian Army wrote: »

My heart screams that those responsible should be prosecuted... (I can think of better medicine)

But listening to my head, as I try to do, I would rather see a general amnesty and a peace and reconciliation forum like SA.

You know what, I think like the meeting with Q.E. and MMG that some day it will happen and there'll be a massive sigh of relief and 'its about bloody time'.

I think a Truth and Reconciliation Forum, and an amnesty for those who testify will do more or peace on this God forsaken wind and rain soaked rock than anything else.

dizzywizlw · 07-07-2012 08:03AM

Slightly disconcerted that the 'reconciliatory' atmosphere is being tinged as a move away from pursuing political union between IRL and NI, certainly I would have expected a lot more comment from pro-reunification circles but instead all we hear is the right honourable loyalist douche first minister talking about how such steps prove a united Ireland is dying.

For the record, I'm anti-SF and anti-Unionist and in no way a follower of the constructed 'Irishness' that's caused all this ****e.

With regards to a murder investigation, so long as the soldiers are treated with the same leniency as the other murderers during the troubles I've no problem with it. I'd rather see RUC-SB answer for its crimes considering they were the prime driver of sectarian state violence.

bwatson · 08-07-2012 07:28PM

karma_ wrote: »

Stay classy mate. Fourteen innocent people died, had their reputations tarnished and those responsible never even lost their jobs.

Yet here we are, 2 years after Saville when the truth finally came out and STILL there's some people out there who would still cast doubt on that, and instead try score cheap political points or go on anti-SF rants.

Here's the thing, Bloody Sunday has nothing to do with SF, nothing to do with any other incident of the Troubles and I wish people on all sides would drop the horseshít dragging it up over and over again on Bloody Sunday threads.

Bloody Sunday is about the families of those who died, it's about the people of Derry and looking some deserved Justice. Those people that day weren't marching for Republicanism, they were marching for Civil Rights.

This is about justice for the people of Derry? What justice is there in former republican terrorists from said city being granted amnesty and subsequently taking up positions in government while soldiers of the Parachute Regiment are put on trial for something like this?

Sometimes I feel quite confused as to what people mean when they refer to justice. Surely justice must include equal treatment for all those involved?

Border-Rat · 08-07-2012 08:19PM

Rascasse wrote: »

He said he is neither a unionist nor from NI so its is unlikely "British paramilitary terrorists" or British soldiers are his 'heroes'.

Nice list, but Republican paramilitaries killed 57 Civilians aged 16 or under. No comment them?

Threads like these prove there is a small but vocal parts of the various communities that think there is still some kind of fight going on. When everyone else, seems to me, just wants to move on with life.

Does that include the instances where the FRU would take weapons from Provo caches, shoot children, leave the weapons back then plaster it over the news that the IRA had shot Catholic children by accident - using ballistics from 'found' arms caches as evidence?

And ironically, the above act of absolute scumbaggery was 'whistle blown' by a Loyalist.

Bloody Sunday Murder investigation to begin!

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