Bloody Sunday Murder investigation to begin!

SocSocPol wrote: »

When the Birmingham Bombers are prosecuted, when Adams is convicted for Jean McConvilles murder, when the killers of Tom Oliver are brought to justice.......
Where does it end , it appears that all that the so called republicians want is one sided justice that will perpetuate the hatred and suffering.
It is time to let the dead bury the dead.

Firstly, this has nothing to do with Republicans. It's to do with 14 civilians who were murdered by trigger happy Paras, who did nothing more than to march for civil rights. Not only were they tragically murdered, the State conspired to have them portrayed as terrorists, talk about driving a knife in. Now, at least the Saville inquiry has finally uncovered what everyone already knew anyway, these people were in fact innocent, it's a disgrace in itself that it took until 2010 to get to that point.

Don't these 14 deserve some kind of justice SoCSocPol? or would you rather have murderers live out their lives without having justice served.

You're a unionist, I can respect that, were you to campaign and finally get another inquiry or investigation into Teebane or the Enniskillen bombing I'd say fair play to you for everyone up here deserves a bit of justice rather than to be conveniently forgot about. Maybe leave the tinted glasses off for a minute and be happy for the families of these victims for a minute or two.

SocSocPol wrote: »

Sorry to dissappoint you but I am not a Unionist(that blows your sectarian attack on me out of the water). I am Irish born in Dublin, politically I am Republican (with a capital R as oppossed to Irish republican, which can best be described as fascist sectarian).

A sectarian attack? You have to be feckin joking ... right?

If I mistook you for a unionist, then I apologise, however I see Gregory Campbell making the same argument, and he certainly is not a Republican regardless of case! So hopefully this explains the error.

In saying that, the entire argument I see you make here can be simplified thus - "Let's allow admitted murderers to not be prosecuted."

That's no argument at all, it's obscene.

I have no problems with any man or woman who has not so far been convicted of their crimes in Northern Ireland being convicted. IF that means they have to be prosecuted under the terms of the GFA then so be it, better a little justice than none at all. Likewise for these paras, who are now acknowledged to be responsible for these murders to be convicted.

Hell, even if they only ever ended up being convicted and spending one day in jail, I'd be delighted for the Bloody Sunday families.

Now how about you take that sectarian shít stick you throw all to easily at posters and shove it.

SocSocPol wrote: »

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If you cant use persuasion, logic or facts, do what SFIRA, resort to personalized abuse.

Listen up, before you start this bullshít. YOU were the one who accused me of making a sectarian attack upon you. Now your crying about abuse? Give me a f*****g break.

SocSocPol wrote: »

Who accused whom of being a Unionist?

And I apologised for that mistake.

SocSocPol wrote: »

A lot of SFIRA murderers might follow him maybe the babykillers of Warrington?

If you're going to bat for your heroes using child-murder as an excuse, you really ought to learn how to pick your moments better. Lets take a look at your own heroes record re: Child Killing;

- Patrick Barnard (13), Dungannon, Co. Tyrone, killed along with James McCaughey (13) and three adult Catholics in British paramilitary car bomb attack.
- Daniel Barrett (15), Ardoyne, Belfast; shot in his home from a nearby BA observation post.
- Martha Campbell (13), Ballymurphy Road, Belfast, shot by British paramilitary terrorists.
- Michael Patrick Connors (14), Central Belfast, shot along with John Mahon by British soldiers at a checkpoint.
- Patrick Crawford (15), West Belfast, while walking with two others, shot by British soldiers.
- James Cromie (13), Belfast, killed along with fourteen other Catholics by British paramilitary car bomb outside McGurk’s Pub.
- Alphonsus Cunningham (13), West Belfast, during disturbances, run over by a vehicle.
- Manus Deery (15), Derry, shot by army sniper as he brought supper home from nearby shop.
- Bridget Anne Dempsey (10 months), North Belfast, burned to death along with her mother and father when British paramilitary terrorists firebombed their house at night.
- James Doherty (4), West Belfast, shot outside his home.
- Michael Francis Donnelly (14), Silverbridge, Armagh, killed along with two adult Catholics in bomb-and-bullet attack on Donnelly’s Bar; by RUC, UDR and British paramilitary terrorists.
- Brian Duffy (15), North Belfast, in a taxi stand, died along with driver, shot by British paramilitary terrorists.
- Seamus Duffy (15), North Belfast, shot at close range by RUC rubber bullet.
- Margaret Gargan (13), West Belfast, shot by British soldiers who also shot dead Fr. Noel Fitzpatrick as he gave her Last Rites. The bullet that killed Fr. Fitzpatrick passed through him and also killed Patrick Butler. While trying to drag Fr. Fitzpatrick to safety David McCafferty was also shot dead by the soldiers. (The first priest killed was Fr. Hugh Mullan, West Belfast, shot, twice, by British soldiers as he gave Last Rites to another of their victims. An attempt to drag him to safety ended when Frank Quinn was shot dead by the soldiers.)
- Rosaleen Gavin (8), North Belfast, shot by British soldiers from an observation post.
- Stephen Geddes (10), West Belfast, shot in head at close range by British soldier with rubber bullet.
- Rory Gormley (14), West Belfast, while being driven to school by his father, shot by British paramilitary terrorists.
- Desmond Healey (14), West Belfast, shot in back by Parachute Reg’t soldier.
- Kevin Heatley (12), Newry, Co. Down, shot by British soldier. Kevin’s father later committed suicide.
- Clare Hughes (4), North Belfast, in blast of British paramilitary car-bomb outside Benny’s Pub.
- Carol Ann Kelly (11), West Belfast, shot in head by British soldier’s rubber bullet as she brought milk home from a nearby shop.
- James Kennedy (15), South Belfast, killed, along with four Catholic adults, in British paramilitary gun attack on betting shop.
- Julia Livingstone (14), shot in head at close range by a rubber bullet gun mounted on a British armored vehicle.
- Eileen Mackin (14), West Belfast, shot by British paramilitary terrorists.
- Anne Magee (15), North Belfast, while at work in a grocery, shot in face by British paramilitary terrorists.
- Andrew Maguire (6 weeks),
- Joanne Maguire (8) and
- John Maguire (2), West Belfast, all crushed by a car when its driver was shot dead by a British soldier. Their mother later committed suicide.
- Hugh Maguire (9), West Belfast, hit by British armored vehicle.
- Gerald McAuley (15), West Belfast, shot dead along with an adult Catholic, by British paramilitary terrorists who were also burning down the homes of Catholics on Bombay Street and adjacent streets.
- Siobhan McCabe (4), West Belfast, shot near her house by British soldiers.
- David McCafferty (14), West Belfast, shot by British soldiers while trying to drag to safety Fr. Fitzpatrick who the soldiers had just shot.
- James Francis McCaughey (13), Dungannon, Co. Tyrone, killed in street along with his friend, Patrick Barnard (13).
- David McClenaghan (15), North Belfast, at night in his home, shot by British paramilitary terrorists who also raped his widowed mother.
- Stephen McConomy (11), Derry, shot in head by plastic bullet fired from a nearby armored vehicle.
- Anthony McDowell (12), North Belfast, while a passenger in a car, attributed to Parachute Reg’t soldiers who deny it.
- Annette McGavigan (14), Derry, shot by British soldiers.
- Joseph McGuinness (13), North Belfast, walking with friends to a fish and chip shop, shot by British paramilitary terrorists.
- Maria McGurk (14), North Belfast, daughter of owner of McGurk’s Bar, killed along with fourteen others by British paramilitary terrorist bomb attack on the bar.
- Geraldine McKeown (14), North Belfast, shot through her window by British paramilitary terrorists.
- Kevin McMenamin (10), West Belfast, in blast of a bomb placed by British paramilitary terrorists.
- Carol McMenamy (15), North Belfast, shot in head and neck by British paramilitary terrorists in front of her cousin’s house. Her brother and cousin were murdered earlier.
- Darren Murray (12), Portadown, Co. Armagh, chased by British paramilitary terrorists into traffic where a car killed him.
- Anne Marie O’Brien (5 months), along with their mother, Anna, and father, John, among the thirty-three killed in the car-bomb blasts of 17May74 in Dublin and Monaghan streets placed by BA/RUC/”The Jackal.”
- Michelle O’Connor (3), South Belfast, killed by a bomb attached to her father’s car by British paramilitary terrorists.
- Majella O’Hare (12), Whitecross, Co. Armagh, on way, with friends, to Confession, shot by 3 Parachute Reg’t soldier.
- Geraldine O’Reilly (14), Belturbet, Co. Cavan, while walking with her boyfriend, Patrick Stanley, outside Belturbet Post Office, killed by British paramilitary car-bomb.
- Sean O’Riordan (13), West Belfast, shot in back of head by British soldier.
- Michelle Osborne (13), Hannahstown, Co. Antrim, killed by British paramilitary terror bomb placed in Ballymacaward Kennel Club.
- Richard Quinn (10),
- Mark Quinn (9) and
- Jason Quinn (8), Ballymoney, Co. Antrim, burned to death by British paramilitary terrorists who fire-bombed them in their beds. Their mother had tried to protect them from just such Anti-Catholic attacks by raising them as Protestants; but they were deemed Catholic enough to merit death.
- Philip Rafferty (14), South Belfast, abducted from near his home and shot by British paramilitary terrorists.
- Patrick Rooney (9), West Belfast, while in bed, shot by RUC machine gun through wall.
- Francis Rowntree (11), West Belfast, shot in the head at close range by British soldiers.
- Michael Scott (10), North Belfast, while visiting his grandmother, burned to death along with her when British paramilitary terrorists firebombed her house.
- Brian Stewart (13), West Belfast, shot in head by plastic bullet at close range by British soldier.
- Paula Stronge (6), North Belfast, while playing in street, killed along with four-year-old Clair Hughes, in British paramilitary bombing of Benny’s Bar.
- James Templeton (15), South Belfast, while walking in front of Catholic bar that British paramilitary terrorists shot up after it was opened following an earlier British paramilitary bombing that killed eight adults.
- Peter Joseph Watterson (15), West Belfast, in front of his mother’s shop, shot in back by British paramilitary terrorists from passing car.
-Paul Whitters (15), Derry, shot at close range by RUC plastic bullet.


Conveniently, "Irish" people like you rarely, if ever have anything to say about the above. Pathetic.

R P McMurphy wrote: »

I think you are nothing short of a disgrace with an attitude like that. Maybe you were content with the widgery report, I can only suggest that your comments on this thread are a result of gross ignorance

Ah! The Widgery report, the Saville Inquiry. After spending so much money the result from the Saville inquiry was never going to echo the Widgery. The Right result was produced if not necessary the correct one. How could it have been different when Martin McGuinness refused to answer some questions. Plus if the Right result had not been found, in another lot of years an even more expensive inquiry would have happened.

Varied wrote: »

Here we go with statistics being thrown about in some sick justification for your ridiculous statements.





700 hundred Catholics burned out of their homes and 21 killed in just three days, are you going to bring up those little statistics? Now this was before the PIRA came along.

I and most other republicans condemn the warrington atrocity and want to see justice, yet you can't say one thing about the circumstances that Irish/catholics/republicans/nationlists had been in and why these things came about.

Debating with you and people like you seems pointless as you really know f**k all.

Do you as a Republican only condemn the atrocities that resulted in the deaths of children? Just a thought.