Bloody Sunday Murder investigation to begin!

sellerbarry · 06-07-2012 08:54AM

A quick message from 99.9% of the population. Move on. Don't want my kids growing up listening to more of this crap.

mattjack · 06-07-2012 09:02AM

sellerbarry wrote: »

A quick message from 99.9% of the population. Move on. Don't want my kids growing up listening to more of this crap.

From or to ?

Feisar · 06-07-2012 09:05AM

John Doe1 wrote: »

As an protestant from donegal, I hope those poor families get some justice, its an absolute disgrace what happened. So many lives could have been saved over the decades if those idiots hadnt opened fire.

Idiots? They were Paratroopers, it's their job to open fire. You can't blame them for doing what they were trained to do.

The idiocy comes from putting them there. Aggressive front line soldiers should never be used to police civilians.

JustAddWater · 06-07-2012 09:09AM

RHarrow wrote: »

Don't really care what happened 30 years ago in another country to be honest.

Eh? Then why post!

Go back under your bridge

Rabidlamb · 06-07-2012 09:22AM

Is this going to become like Hillsborough or the Stardust where the families keep campaigning for inquiry after inquiry where we all know they just want a big wedge of compensation ?.

Crooked Jack · 06-07-2012 09:22AM

sellerbarry wrote: »

A quick message from 99.9% of the population. Move on. Don't want my kids growing up listening to more of this crap.

WOW! Someone who can speak for 99.9% of the population.
Now we can sort out all sorts of issues without any need for a referendum or election.
Abortion, the euro, whatever, all we have to do is ask this guy.

sellerbarry · 06-07-2012 09:44AM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

WOW! Someone who can speak for 99.9% of the population.
Now we can sort out all sorts of issues without any need for a referendum or election.
Abortion, the euro, whatever, all we have to do is ask this guy.

It's history. Move on. Get on with your life.:rolleyes:

Nothingbetter2d · 06-07-2012 09:49AM

lol typical british solution to ira related inquiries.... wait 30 to 40 years until most of the eye witnesses have died off then waste money having the inquiry that leads to no real answers.

They must be learning from the irish with regards to pointless inquiries.... we are champion at wasting hundreds of millions on inquiries that lead to no prosecutions

R P McMurphy · 06-07-2012 10:01AM

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Is this going to become like Hillsborough or the Stardust where the families keep campaigning for inquiry after inquiry where we all know they just want a big wedge of compensation ?.

Ah yeah because if you had a family member killed due to gross negligence or downright murder you would just shrug your shoulders and move on without wanting someone held accountable. Pity your family

Rabidlamb · 06-07-2012 10:50AM

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Ah yeah because if you had a family member killed due to gross negligence or downright murder you would just shrug your shoulders and move on without wanting someone held accountable. Pity your family

Governments have deep pockets which is why people pursue them ecouraged of course by the legal profession.
The Saville Bloody Sunday Inquiry cost £400 million http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_Inquiry#Controversy_over_cost_and_duration
I consider this a bigger crime than some trigger happy paratroopers.
If they'd given each of the 13 families £10 million each & said sorry this could have been put to bed a decade ago.

CucaFace · 06-07-2012 10:55AM

Sellerbarry somehow i doubt you would be on here telling everyone to move on and forget about this if it was someone in your family that was murdered like this.

Maybe for a second just try and put yourself in their shoe's before posting such rubbish.

The families of these innocent people who were shot as they took part in a peaceful march DESERVE some justice after all these years.

A trail like this is the very least they desreve.

How can they move on knowing that the people who shot their loved one's have never been brought to account for their crimes that day??

CucaFace · 06-07-2012 10:59AM

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Governments have deep pockets which is why people pursue them ecouraged of course by the legal profession.
The Saville Bloody Sunday Inquiry cost £400 million http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_Inquiry#Controversy_over_cost_and_duration
I consider this a bigger crime than some trigger happy paratroopers.
If they'd given each of the 13 families £10 million each & said sorry this could have been put to bed a decade ago.

What a a disgraceful comment.

No amount of money equates to the loss of these people's lifes.

Show Time · 06-07-2012 11:02AM

sellerbarry wrote: »

A quick message from 99.9% of the population. Move on. Don't want my kids growing up listening to more of this crap.

Who gave you permission to speak for me??

Klim · 06-07-2012 11:18AM

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Is this going to become like Hillsborough or the Stardust where the families keep campaigning for inquiry after inquiry where we all know they just want a big wedge of compensation ?.

Hillsborough's victims families were only campaigning for compensation?

What a completely ignorant and downright spiteful thing to say.

You haven't a clue. I suggest you read up on it.

R P McMurphy · 06-07-2012 11:34AM

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Governments have deep pockets which is why people pursue them ecouraged of course by the legal profession.
The Saville Bloody Sunday Inquiry cost £400 million http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_Inquiry#Controversy_over_cost_and_duration
I consider this a bigger crime than some trigger happy paratroopers.
If they'd given each of the 13 families £10 million each & said sorry this could have been put to bed a decade ago.

I think you are nothing short of a disgrace with an attitude like that. Maybe you were content with the widgery report, I can only suggest that your comments on this thread are a result of gross ignorance

Rabidlamb · 06-07-2012 11:38AM

Klim wrote: »

Hillsborough's victims families were only campaigning for compensation?

What a completely ignorant and downright spiteful thing to say.

You haven't a clue. I suggest you read up on it.

Had it been a pilot who caused the death of 96 people the families would have moved on years ago.
As it's a police force who's allegedly at fault here then there's more than an apology & admittance of guilt up for grabs.
I'm cynical by nature but I see greed at play here also.

Rabidlamb · 06-07-2012 11:49AM

R P McMurphy wrote: »

I think you are nothing short of a disgrace with an attitude like that. Maybe you were content with the widgery report, I can only suggest that your comments on this thread are a result of gross ignorance

The initial report was a washout, agreed, but do you not concede that £400 million would have been put to much better use building cross community projects.

Biggins · 06-07-2012 12:25PM

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

lol typical british solution to ira related inquiries.... wait 30 to 40 years until most of the eye witnesses have died off then waste money having the inquiry that leads to no real answers.

They must be learning from the irish with regards to pointless inquiries.... we are champion at wasting hundreds of millions on inquiries that lead to no prosecutions

...Not forgetting also that a statue of limitation for prosecutions might apply also!

Fenian Army · 06-07-2012 01:01PM

Investigation will supposedly take 4 years... what a joke

K-9 · 06-07-2012 01:04PM

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Is this going to become like Hillsborough or the Stardust where the families keep campaigning for inquiry after inquiry where we all know they just want a big wedge of compensation ?.

40 years campaigning for compensation you say? Doubtful I think.

Sunnyisland · 06-07-2012 03:39PM

Rabid Lamb wrote: »

Governments have deep pockets which is why people pursue them courage of course by the legal profession.
If they'd given each of the 13 families £10 million each & said sorry this could have been put to bed a decade ago.

There where 26 unarmed people shot by the army,Thirteen males,seven who were teenagers died that day, Another one died later from his injuries,That's fourteen,Two others were also run down by an army vehicle plus five of the people wounded where shot in the back.

What really made Bloody Sunday so obscene was the fact that people afterwards, at the highest level of British justice, justified it and I think that is the real obscenity.
Bishop Edward Daly,

Varied · 06-07-2012 04:10PM

Lets see...

The "who cares what happens up north" comments, check.
Sinn fein bashing, check.
Accusing the people pursuing an investigation of trying to cream money from the justice system, check.

The people that think like this are the lowest form of pondlife you can get.

It is about time these "men" were brought to justice, I couldn't care less how many years they get, all I want is their names published and their crimes well known.

When all this is out in the open, maybe then we will see what an Irish person in the north had to go through for many years and people in the 26 counties can be a little more educated.

I won't get my hopes up though.

mattjack · 06-07-2012 04:31PM

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Had it been a pilot who caused the death of 96 people the families would have moved on years ago.
As it's a police force who's allegedly at fault here then there's more than an apology & admittance of guilt up for grabs.
I'm cynical by nature but I see greed at play here also.

At least show the dead some respect by getting the facts right, it was paratroopers who shot the marchers, not policemen.

SocSocPol · 06-07-2012 04:33PM

Varied wrote: »

Lets see...

The "who cares what happens up north" comments, check.
Sinn fein bashing, check.
Accusing the people pursuing an investigation of trying to cream money from the justice system, check.

The people that think like this are the lowest form of pondlife you can get.

It is about time these "men" were brought to justice, I couldn't care less how many years they get, all I want is their names published and their crimes well known.

When all this is out in the open, maybe then we will see what an Irish person in the north had to go through for many years and people in the 26 counties can be a little more educated.

I won't get my hopes up though.

When the Birmingham Bombers are prosecuted, when Adams is convicted for Jean McConvilles murder, when the killers of Tom Oliver are brought to justice.......
Where does it end , it appears that all that the so called republicians want is one sided justice that will perpetuate the hatred and suffering.
It is time to let the dead bury the dead.

Border-Rat · 06-07-2012 04:37PM

One of the killers is alive and well, enjoying life in Belgium. Looks like he'll be asked to nip home and (Maybe) face charges.

CucaFace · 06-07-2012 04:45PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

When the Birmingham Bombers are prosecuted, when Adams is convicted for Jean McConvilles murder, when the killers of Tom Oliver are brought to justice.......
Where does it end , it appears that all that the so called republicians want is one sided justice that will perpetuate the hatred and suffering.
It is time to let the dead bury the dead.

Well all these horrible events were an after consequence to what happened in Derry so let’s bring the paratroopers to justice first.

Surely you can why these guys should be brought before a court and some justice be dished out?

Varied · 06-07-2012 04:52PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

When the Birmingham Bombers are prosecuted, when Adams is convicted for Jean McConvilles murder, when the killers of Tom Oliver are brought to justice.......
Where does it end , it appears that all that the so called republicians want is one sided justice that will perpetuate the hatred and suffering.
It is time to let the dead bury the dead.

Internment without trial
Killing catholics/republicans/nationalists indiscriminately
Torture of young men into signing confessions
Colluding with Loyalist deathsquads

Need I go on?

The few atrocities of a few wayward PIRA men I have always condemned and I would welcome an independent commission to investigate and bring these perpetrators to justice.

bwatson · 06-07-2012 05:03PM

CucaFace wrote: »

Well all these horrible events were an after consequence to what happened in Derry so let’s bring the paratroopers to justice first.

Surely you can why these guys should be brought before a court and some justice be dished out?

You don't seem to be interested in justice being served as a whole at all.

When it comes to the law, the kind of historical cause and effect analysis you are trying to use doesn't hold. No one action caused another person to murder.

The law doesn't work on a "first come first serve" basis either. The fact that the incident involving the Paras may have taken placed before the others is utterly inconsequential. I get the impression you want to see those members of 1 Para banged up far more than you want to see justice for any British victims in events which took place after!

Rascasse · 06-07-2012 05:03PM

Varied wrote: »

Internment without trial
Killing catholics/republicans/nationalists indiscriminately

The few atrocities of a few wayward PIRA men I have always condemned and I would welcome an independent commission to investigate and bring these perpetrators to justice.

Between 1969-2001
Civilians killed by British security forces 187
Civilians killed by republican paramilitaries 727

Slightly more than a wayward few I'd wager.

SocSocPol · 06-07-2012 05:03PM

Border-Rat wrote: »

One of the killers is alive and well, enjoying life in Belgium. Looks like he'll be asked to nip home and (Maybe) face charges.

A lot of SFIRA murderers might follow him maybe the babykillers of Warrington?

Bloody Sunday Murder investigation to begin!

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