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  • #32
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Why do the Loyalist/Republican fighters walk free but the British soldiers don't. Is the war not supposed to be over?

    Maybe they do in that little back-to-front fantasy world you've created for yourself.
    wmpdd3 wrote: »
    Why are these killings not covered by the Good Friday Agreement?

    Surprised they are going for murder and not manslaughter.

    They could still be convicted for murder and not serve any time.
    RHarrow wrote: »
    I care no more about it than I do something that happened in Wales, Scotland or England 30 years ago and is still being talked about today to be frank.

    Why in the name of **** are you posting in this thread if you don't care? Is it because you care about getting attention? You want to do a little trolling on the backs of the murders of these people?

    These are rhetorical questions - no need to answer.


  • #33
    RHarrow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 101 ✭✭RHarrow


    Biggins wrote: »
    Its not his first time. :(
    Oh, the irony of this coming from 'united people' is just delicious.

    Still no joy on the job front?


  • #34
    RHarrow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 101 ✭✭RHarrow


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Why in the name of **** are you posting in this thread if you don't care? Is it because you care about getting attention? You want to do a little trolling on the backs of the murders of these people?

    These are rhetorical questions - no need to answer.

    Popped up on an Irish internet discussion board, didn't it? For discussion, yeah? Not just circlejerking into a frenzy over a single and most likely pro-Sinn Fein opinion, yeah?


  • #35
    mattjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    .

    They could still be convicted for murder and not serve any time.



    Bearing in mind the ages of these soldiers, the very youngest now would in his late fifties.


  • #36
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Oh good, more money for the legal professionals in NI. I guess the cutbacks were hitting the wrong people.


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  • #37
    markesmith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,752 ✭✭✭markesmith


    Haven't there been several inquiries into this already? We all know the verdict won't finger anyone. Surprised it's being dealt with, with a Tory government in power and all.

    AH response: Sinn Fein murderers sure it's a foreign country let's hang McGuinness narrow minded bigots I love Orangemen and we should welcome our new British overlords Atheism > Protestantism > Catholicism.

    Politics forum's your best bet for measured debate


  • #38
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    markesmith wrote: »
    Haven't there been several inquiries into this already? We all know the verdict won't finger anyone. Surprised it's being dealt with, with a Tory government in power and all.

    AH response: Sinn Fein murderers sure it's a foreign country let's hang McGuinness narrow minded bigots I love Orangemen and we should welcome our new British overlords Atheism > Protestantism > Catholicism.

    Politics forum's your best bet for measured debate

    To be honest I dont want anyone fingered. Theyd probrably enjoy that too much!


  • #39
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    mattjack wrote: »
    Bearing in mind the ages of these soldiers, the very youngest now would in his late fifties.

    None of them will serve a day - that's pretty much guaranteed regardless of the outcome.

    I'm guessing they could still, theoretically, be convicted sentenced and immediately released under the terms of the GFA?


  • #40
    John Doe1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    As an protestant from donegal, I hope those poor families get some justice, its an absolute disgrace what happened. So many lives could have been saved over the decades if those idiots hadnt opened fire.


  • #41
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    None of them will serve a day - that's pretty much guaranteed regardless of the outcome.

    I'm guessing they could still, theoretically, be convicted sentenced and immediately released under the terms of the GFA?

    They werent even disciplined though which is the worst aspect of this. They should be denied their pension.


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  • #42
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    They werent even disciplined though which is the worst aspect of this. They should be denied their pension.

    Yes, it must be extremely painful for the people of Derry who lost loved ones on the day.

    The British pretty much close ranks when it comes to a soldier being charged with murder - even if they are convicted they serve a token amount of time in prison and then they're often allowed to resume duties.

    Most armies do that though - it's not unique to the British.


  • #43
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Yes, it must be extremely painful for the people of Derry who lost loved ones on the day.

    The British pretty much close ranks when it comes to a soldier being charged with murder - even if they are convicted they serve a token amount of time in prison and then they're often allowed to resume duties.

    Most armies do that though - it's not unique to the British.

    Well I cant imagine the pain the people of Derry feel but I think a lot more people are effected by this. Bloody Sunday was the cause of a massive rise in the number of people in the ira which caused a lot more deaths. Itw as also the end of the civil rights movement.


  • #44
    mattjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    None of them will serve a day - that's pretty much guaranteed regardless of the outcome.

    I'm guessing they could still, theoretically, be convicted sentenced and immediately released under the terms of the GFA?

    That's possibly what will happen, though I seem to remember years ago Canada disbanding a battalion or company ? (I'm not sure on the terminology) of soldiers who had brought Canada into disrepute in Somolia , I think.

    If an example were made of the Para's on conviction of their soldiers, similar to what the Canadians had done, it might possibly look a lot better ,bearing in mind its unlikely that any soldier will serve a sentence.


  • #45
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    In fairness soldiers in war are rarely convicted. This was a war imo but will the british government think so?


  • #46
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Itw as also the end of the civil rights movement.

    I think it's widely accepted as the tipping point - goodness knows what would have happened if the civil rights movement had been nurtured instead of violently suppressed.
    mattjack wrote: »
    If an example were made of the Para's on conviction of their soldiers, similar to what the Canadians had done, it might possibly look a lot better ,bearing in mind its unlikely that any soldier will serve a sentence.

    I can't see them tarnishing 'brand British Army' because of it personally - but I guess you never know.


  • #47
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    In fairness soldiers in war are rarely convicted.

    Yep. And with the British involved in Afghanistan any suggestion that you might face consequences for shooting a few civilians would probably be considered 'bad for morale' by higher-ups.
    This was a war imo but will the british government think so?

    I guess with the GFA they pretty much conceded that it was, at the very least, a conflict of a political nature.


  • #48
    bwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 630 ✭✭✭bwatson


    mattjack wrote: »
    That's possibly what will happen, though I seem to remember years ago Canada disbanding a battalion or company ? (I'm not sure on the terminology) of soldiers who had brought Canada into disrepute in Somolia , I think.

    If an example were made of the Para's on conviction of their soldiers, similar to what the Canadians had done, it might possibly look a lot better ,bearing in mind its unlikely that any soldier will serve a sentence.

    There is absolutely no chance in hell that the British government would decide to disband the Parachute Regiment!


  • #49
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    bwatson wrote: »
    There is absolutely no chance in hell that the British government would decide to disband the Parachute Regiment!

    No nor should they but they should punish those guilty of unlawful killing.


  • #50
    carbon nanotube
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 994 ✭✭✭carbon nanotube


    RHarrow wrote: »
    I'd say you're not consulted for your opinion or 'knowledge' very often.


    this happened eons ago, get the fhuck over with it.

    as if any out this crap with remotely effect out daily lives.

    like the mahon tribunal..

    lasted about 1,000,000 years and cost the state a couple of hundred million.

    and now no one knows what the f**k it was about.


  • #51
    bwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 630 ✭✭✭bwatson


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    No nor should they but they should punish those guilty of unlawful killing.

    Oh, there is no doubt they will. They will push the trial and ensure that those who they think are guilty go to prison for a substantial amount of time. The current British government despise the British military, and in particular the British Army and are doing everything they can to destroy it from the inside. David Cameron will push this more than any other PM would have done to ensure that the Army recieve further bad press so as to convince the civillian population that the dismantling that he is overseeing is a good thing for all.

    They are going to do the right thing but for the wrong reasons.


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  • #52
    Fenian Army
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    My heart screams that those responsible should be prosecuted... (I can think of better medicine)

    But listening to my head, as I try to do, I would rather see a general amnesty and a peace and reconciliation forum like SA.


  • #53
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    bwatson wrote: »
    Oh, there is no doubt they will. They will push the trial and ensure that those who they think are guilty go to prison for a substantial amount of time. The current British government despise the British military, and in particular the British Army and are doing everything they can to destroy it from the inside. David Cameron will push this more than any other PM would have done to ensure that the Army recieve further bad press so as to convince the civillian population that the dismantling that he is overseeing is a good thing for all.

    They are going to do the right thing but for the wrong reasons.

    Well they shouldnt punish the army for the actions of a few. Or punish the few to get at the army.


  • #54
    Fenian Army
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    2 years is the most they can serve


  • #55
    wmpdd3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,627 ✭✭✭wmpdd3


    Why?


  • #56
    Fenian Army
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    wmpdd3 wrote: »
    Why?
    part of the GFA... we have IRA volunteers in jail now (Gerry McGeough) convicted of attempted murder etc for something in the 80s.. sentenced for a long time, will only serve 2 years.


  • #57
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    bwatson wrote: »
    Oh, there is no doubt they will. They will push the trial and ensure that those who they think are guilty go to prison for a substantial amount of time. The current British government despise the British military, and in particular the British Army and are doing everything they can to destroy it from the inside. David Cameron will push this more than any other PM would have done to ensure that the Army recieve further bad press so as to convince the civillian population that the dismantling that he is overseeing is a good thing for all.

    Sounds very conspiratorial...

    Are you sure you don't mean that Britain is streamlining its military in face of new realities? New realities like how the British military is geared up for fighting the cold war and the fact that the UK is facing more austere times ahead?


  • #58
    GAAman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭GAAman


    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    Really? We live on the same island and you'd be hard pushed to find anyone down here that doesn't have some friends or relatives in Northern Ireland. That enough of a reason to care?

    An obvious troll, do not even give him the satisfaction!

    On topic, I would not be surprised if "soldier" 1 gets any sort of sentence let alone the rest of them!

    I am very surprised at the people who do not care, I am from Dublin but have lived in Derry for over 7 years now, anyone who has been here for even a short time knows this is a huge open wound in the mind of many if not all Derry people. These are Irish people too, no different to people in Cork, Kerry etc have some compassion at the very least like! These were family members, brothers, sons and even a parish priest! ALL of whom were found to be innocent after too long being accused of being terrorists.

    How would you feel if it was a member of YOUR family? Be different then wouldn't it!


  • #59
    mattjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    mattjack wrote: »
    That's possibly what will happen, though I seem to remember years ago Canada disbanding a battalion or company ? (I'm not sure on the terminology) of soldiers who had brought Canada into disrepute in Somolia , I think.

    If an example were made of the Para's on conviction of their soldiers, similar to what the Canadians had done, it might possibly look a lot better ,bearing in mind its unlikely that any soldier will serve a sentence.
    bwatson wrote: »
    There is absolutely no chance in hell that the British government would decide to disband the Parachute Regiment!

    I never mentioned anything about the Parachute Regiment being disbanded .... I'm talking about the unit involved in the event.1st Para ?


  • #60
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    Fenian Army wrote: »
    My heart screams that those responsible should be prosecuted... (I can think of better medicine)

    But listening to my head, as I try to do, I would rather see a general amnesty and a peace and reconciliation forum like SA.

    This is the way to go for all sides,imo.


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  • #61
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    Eh? Thousands of men and women did time during the troubles, some for over 20 years many were innocent kids tortured into signing confessions.

    A total of 4 brits went to prison serving 2-6 years. The war is over but this was a clear case of planned murder of civilians.
    many were innocent kids tortured into signing confessions. (Usually by SFIRA they were then shot and either their bodies dumped on the border or worse just disappeared!)


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