Bloody Sunday Murder investigation to begin!

fasttalkerchat · 05-07-2012 10:29PM #1

The police are to launch a murder investigation into the deaths of 13 people shot dead by soldiers in Londonderry on Bloody Sunday in 1972.

The move comes after the PSNI and Public Prosecution Service reviewed the findings of the Saville inquiry, which said none of those killed was armed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18721686

But given previous examples of British Justice I wouldn't expect much:

During the Troubles four British soldiers were convicted of murder in Northern Ireland.

In 1984, Private Ian Thain was convicted of murdering 22-year-old Thomas Reilly in west Belfast. He served just over two years in prison.

In 1993, Private Lee Clegg was convicted of the murders of teenagers Martin Peake and Karen Reilly - who had been in a stolen car in west Belfast. He was released two years later and in 1999 he was cleared of the charges following a retrial.

Scots Guards Mark Wright and James Fisher were convicted in 1995 of murdering north Belfast man Peter McBride in September 1992. They each served six years of their life sentences.

All four soldiers were subsequently re-admitted into the Army.

getzls · 05-07-2012 10:55PM

British justice is/was a lot better than the I.R.A. justice. Yes i think some were murdered then. Do we jail these solders now and let Martin the DFM stay free? No i say.

Jester252 · 05-07-2012 10:57PM

Nothing will come from it

fasttalkerchat · 05-07-2012 11:03PM

getzls wrote: »

British justice is/was a lot better than the I.R.A. justice. Yes i think some were murdered then. Do we jail these solders now and let Martin the DFM stay free? No i say.

I think they should go to court and be sentenced for murder. Even if they're out in a few years there would be some justice.

1ZRed · 05-07-2012 11:04PM

yay?

Ghandee · 05-07-2012 11:11PM

Meh.

The shinner haters will still find reason to bad mouth the shinners, even in a thread about the brits murdering innocent civilians in Derry?

RHarrow · 05-07-2012 11:18PM

Don't really care what happened 30 years ago in another country to be honest.

steddyeddy · 05-07-2012 11:18PM

Ghandee wrote: »

Meh.

The shinner haters will still find reason to bad mouth the shinners in a thread about the brits murdering innocent civilians in Derry?

Well its nothing to do with sinn fein so they shouldnt even bring them up! To me this was the death of the civil rights movement and the rise in support for the ira. In the words of Ivan cooper one of the organizers of the civil rights marchs:

You know what you've just done, don't you? You've destroyed the civil rights movement, and you've given the IRA the biggest victory it will ever have. All over this city tonight, young men... boys will be joining the IRA. and you will reap a whirlwind

Richard Hillman · 05-07-2012 11:22PM

Why do the Loyalist/Republican fighters walk free but the British soldiers don't. Is the war not supposed to be over?

chalkitdown · 05-07-2012 11:27PM

You are at a 180 degree shift to the truth. EVERY British soldier HAS walked free. Take off your blinkers.

carbon nanotube · 05-07-2012 11:28PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

But given previous examples of British Justice I wouldn't expect much:

what a waste of money..

like that higging bottom thinamajig shoite.

no wonder the eurozone is in the $hits

RHarrow · 05-07-2012 11:33PM

carbon nanotube wrote: »

what a waste of money..

like that higging bottom thinamajig shoite.

no wonder the eurozone is in the $hits

I'd say you're not consulted for your opinion or 'knowledge' very often.

chalkitdown · 05-07-2012 11:34PM

carbon nanotube wrote: »

what a waste of money..

like that higging bottom thinamajig shoite.

no wonder the eurozone is in the $hits

If you choose not to invest in the process don't be surprised with the outcome.

allthedoyles · 05-07-2012 11:34PM

If the British Government are paying the salaries and expenses of the Saville team then its okay with me.

If it costs the Irish taxpayer , then I dont think its worth pursuing .

I thought the witnesses were protected / anonymous .

Its unlikely any individuals will be charged with murder .

Cookie_Monster · 05-07-2012 11:34PM

God it's gonna be like Stardust, on and on and on and on, just leave it alone already. nothing that comes from this will change anything

fasttalkerchat · 05-07-2012 11:36PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Why do the Loyalist/Republican fighters walk free but the British soldiers don't. Is the war not supposed to be over?

Eh? Thousands of men and women did time during the troubles, some for over 20 years many were innocent kids tortured into signing confessions.

A total of 4 brits went to prison serving 2-6 years. The war is over but this was a clear case of planned murder of civilians.

Mint Sauce · 05-07-2012 11:40PM

Will this just turn into another inquery, or do they actully plan to make arrests and take former soliders to court.

In someway it may bring some kind of closure to berived families, on the other hand it may just open up old wounds of incidents that some communities of this Island would rather forget and move on from.

fasttalkerchat · 05-07-2012 11:44PM

irish-stew wrote: »

Will this just turn into another inquery, or do they actully plan to make arrests and take former soliders to court.

In someway it may bring some kind of closure to berived families, on the other hand it may just open up old wounds of incidents that some communities of this Island would rather forget and move on from.

It will be a murder investigation. They will have to prosecute individuals to some extent but it could take 4 years before they will be sentenced.

wmpdd3 · 05-07-2012 11:52PM

Why are these killings not covered by the Good Friday Agreement?

Surprised they are going for murder and not manslaughter.

steddyeddy · 05-07-2012 11:53PM

wmpdd3 wrote: »

Why are these killings not covered by the Good Friday Agreement?

Surprised they are going for murder and not manslaughter.

Well they were told there was killings wanted in advance so that means some pre planning was needed.

getzls · 05-07-2012 11:54PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I think they should go to court and be sentenced for murder. Even if they're out in a few years there would be some justice.

Hope you are never on a Jury. Go to court and be sentenced for murder. Any chance of a trial first?:cool:

Biggins · 06-07-2012 12:00AM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Bloody Sunday Murder investigation to begin!

Call me sceptical but this is ONLY NOW happening when because of the Justice and Security Bill - those that might be to blame, might get away scot free now!

The government says the Justice and Security Bill is necessary to protect sensitive information where people have brought cases against the intelligence and security agencies, including MI5.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18511393

http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/may/29/secret-courts-justice-security-bill

Under the bill, the prime minister retains the power of veto over the choice of committee members, and ministers will be able to block the release of information deemed "sensitive" to the ISC.

ISC = the intelligence and security committee.

Jimoslimos · 06-07-2012 12:04AM

RHarrow wrote: »

Don't really care what happened 30 years ago in another country to be honest.

Really? We live on the same island and you'd be hard pushed to find anyone down here that doesn't have some friends or relatives in Northern Ireland. That enough of a reason to care?

Nodin · 06-07-2012 12:11AM

carbon nanotube wrote: »

what a waste of money..

like that higging bottom thinamajig shoite.

no wonder the eurozone is in the $hits

Britain isn't in the Euro.

RHarrow · 06-07-2012 12:16AM

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Really? We live on the same island and you'd be hard pushed to find anyone down here that doesn't have some friends or relatives in Northern Ireland. That enough of a reason to care?

Yes, really. We share the same land mass yes but it's a separate country and is part of the UK. I care no more about it than I do something that happened in Wales, Scotland or England 30 years ago and is still being talked about today to be frank.

Nodin · 06-07-2012 12:17AM

RHarrow wrote: »

Yes, really. We share the same land mass yes but it's a separate country and is part of the UK. I care no more about it than I do something that happened in Wales, Scotland or England 30 years ago and is still being talked about today to be frank.

Well its good to see human empathy alive and well.

mattjack · 06-07-2012 12:20AM

RHarrow wrote: »

Don't really care what happened 30 years ago in another country to be honest.

RHarrow wrote: »

Yes, really. We share the same land mass yes but it's a separate country and is part of the UK. I care no more about it than I do something that happened in Wales, Scotland or England 30 years ago and is still being talked about today to be frank.

Your level of knowledge does you no favours, it happened 40 years ago.

RHarrow · 06-07-2012 12:25AM

mattjack wrote: »

Your level of knowledge does you no favours, it happened 40 years ago.

Yes, indeed, it appears I'm living 10 years in the past but sure at least it was consistent...!

With regards to empathizing with those in the North, no, I absolutely cannot empathize with them there as it's something I'll never experience myself. I can offer them sympathy for the trouble that took place there and the lives that were lost, but it'd be pretentious to stand here and claim I can relate to their feelings.

Shít happened, people died but the North is basically at peace now. Move on, put the past behind and stop digging up shít that people will get emotionally involved in again.

mattjack · 06-07-2012 12:28AM

RHarrow wrote: »

Yes, indeed, it appears I'm living 10 years in the past but sure at least it was consistent...!

With regards to empathizing with those in the North, no, I absolutely cannot empathize with them there as it's something I'll never experience myself. I can offer them sympathy for the trouble that took place there and the lives that were lost, but it'd be pretentious to stand here and claim I can relate to their feelings.

Shít happened, people died but the North is basically at peace now. Move on, put the past behind and stop digging up shít that people will get emotionally involved in again.

Fair enough, but why bother your arse posting in a thread that you've got absolutely no interest in at all and very little knowledge on ?

Biggins · 06-07-2012 12:30AM

mattjack wrote: »

Fair enough, but why bother your arse posting in a thread that you've got absolutely no interest in at all and very little knowledge on ?

Its not his first time.

John Doe1 · 06-07-2012 12:32AM

RHarrow wrote: »

Don't really care what happened 30 years ago in another country to be honest.

Yeah man apathy is so cool:rolleyes:

Bloody Sunday Murder investigation to begin!

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