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Pornography to blame for girls rape in todays society?Change of culture?Your thoughts

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  • #152
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,304 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    a comment from him that said it was more common..

    Fair enough, from his position he should have a good idea if teenage gang rapes are happening more. The problem with rapes is so many go unreported as he points, out so it does cast doubt on their reliability.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #153
    Shenshen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    prinz wrote: »
    I don't watch porn myself. I have better things to be doing tbh... but now you get on to are certain genres ok for teens? What porn is ok, what porn isn't ok.......etc etc.

    I usually think that when the level of graphic violence is such that you wouldn't see it on daytime telly, that's when it becomes a film about violence, not sex.

    But then, that's just me. Lots of kids out there watch rather disgusting splatter films, I don't see a bit of sex making much of an impact in any of those.


  • #154
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    mattjack wrote: »
    For someone who very clearly states you don't watch any porn , you seem to have quite a bit of knowledge on it.

    I don't live in a bubble, and I used to share a house with a few lads whose idea of fun was trying to -each other with what they could turn up online... so I quickly came acquainted with things like 2 girls 1 cup and so on.


  • #155
    V_Moth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,421 ✭✭✭V_Moth


    M_Bovary wrote: »
    Pornography usually seems to have a very strong misogynistic vibe. It's pretty disgusting to think that a lot of men actually get their jollies from watching the degradation of women. It also illustrates the deep insecurity within the psyche of these men.

    *faints*


  • #156
    Scioch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Scioch


    Jaxxy wrote: »
    Did you ever see a porno as a teen, prinz? Have a look at a pal's "dirty" mag perhaps?

    Sexual curiosity is a normal thing. Teens need to be educated, not dismissed and told "NO! THAT'S DIRTY!"

    I watched hetero and lesbian porn when I was younger, I turned out perfectly well-adjusted thank you very much. :D

    I still enjoy it every now and then, it can be a pleasant enough release/escape. Having some "me" time is never a waste of time in my book.

    And Christmas, a lot of other ladies enjoy porn too.

    Education is fine but allowing them to watch questionable porn isnt. By all means buy a porn dvd that you have seen and judged to be decent as education and leave it where they might happen on it when they hit that phase.

    But a carte blanche regards to internet porn isnt what I'd call good education.


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  • #157
    Shenshen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    M_Bovary wrote: »
    Pornography usually seems to have a very strong misogynistic vibe. It's pretty disgusting to think that a lot of men actually get their jollies from watching the degradation of women. It also illustrates the deep insecurity within the psyche of these men.

    Why would you assume only men watch porn?
    I can guarantee you that this female here loves watching a bit, and I know for a fact that all my female friends do.


  • #158
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Jaxxy wrote: »
    Teens need to be educated, not dismissed and told "NO! THAT'S DIRTY!".

    When have I ever suggested otherwise? I'll tell you, nowhere.

    However I would question whether unrestricted access to porn actually equates to education on sex. Does porn educate users on emotions? On feelings? On personal histories of those involved? On compromise and discussion? There's a lot more to sex education than the basic mechanics of the physical act IMO.


  • #159
    Shenshen
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    LordSmeg wrote: »
    Education is fine but allowing them to watch questionable porn isnt. By all means buy a porn dvd that you have seen and judged to be decent as education and leave it where they might happen on it when they hit that phase.

    But a carte blanche regards to internet porn isnt what I'd call good education.

    Well, maybe not buy it for them, they'll die of embarrassment. Buy it, and hide it somewhere they are guaranteed to find it.
    Part of the imense fun of porn is the forbidden fruit element :)

    But other than that, I couldn't agree more.


  • #160
    christmas2012
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    so would you have a porn easter egg hunt type thing for your son?


  • #161
    Daveysil15
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    M_Bovary wrote: »
    Pornography usually seems to have a very strong misogynistic vibe. It's pretty disgusting to think that a lot of men actually get their jollies from watching the degradation of women. It also illustrates the deep insecurity within the psyche of these men.

    Women watch porn too. Do they find it misogynistic? What if a couple decide to make a sex tape and put it on the internet? How would that be degrading to either gender?


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  • #162
    Jaxxy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,297 ✭✭✭Jaxxy


    LordSmeg wrote: »
    Jaxxy wrote: »
    Did you ever see a porno as a teen, prinz? Have a look at a pal's "dirty" mag perhaps?

    Sexual curiosity is a normal thing. Teens need to be educated, not dismissed and told "NO! THAT'S DIRTY!"

    I watched hetero and lesbian porn when I was younger, I turned out perfectly well-adjusted thank you very much. :D

    I still enjoy it every now and then, it can be a pleasant enough release/escape. Having some "me" time is never a waste of time in my book.

    And Christmas, a lot of other ladies enjoy porn too.

    Education is fine but allowing them to watch questionable porn isnt. By all means buy a porn dvd that you have seen and judged to be decent as education and leave it where they might happen on it when they hit that phase.

    But a carte blanche regards to internet porn isnt what I'd call good education.

    I never said carte blanche, I said educate. Porn isn't an acceptable method for sex education. I'm talking about discussing it. Realistically porn teaches you little about the actual act of regular sex. Realism vs fantasy should be discussed with teens, in all aspects of life, not just pertaining to sex.


  • #163
    Shenshen
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    christmas2012 wrote: »
    so would you have a porn easter egg hunt type thing for your son?

    My daughter.


  • #164
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    Women watch porn too. Do they find it misogynistic? What if a couple decide to make a sex tape and put it on the internet? How would that be degrading to either gender

    Its degrading if their boss finds it :pac: but other than that its ultimately a co decision so ya i agree its not that demeaning as other scenarios...


  • #165
    Scioch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Scioch


    Shenshen wrote: »
    Well, maybe not buy it for them, they'll die of embarrassment. Buy it, and hide it somewhere they are guaranteed to find it.
    Part of the imense fun of porn is the forbidden fruit element :)

    But other than that, I couldn't agree more.

    Thats what I meant yeah. Dont go wrapping it up and leaving it under the Christmas tree or anything. :D


  • #166
    M_Bovary
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10 ✭M_Bovary


    Shenshen wrote: »
    Why would you assume only men watch porn?
    I can guarantee you that this female here loves watching a bit, and I know for a fact that all my female friends do.

    The only assumption was on your part. I didn't assume that women don't watch pornography, but I know that it is more common for men to watch it. With this in mind it is fair to say that a lot more pornography is targeted at a male audience, and the misogynistic element is something which pornography producers believe appeals to a male audience.


  • #167
    mattjack
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    prinz wrote: »
    I don't live in a bubble, and I used to share a house with a few lads whose idea of fun was trying to -each other with what they could turn up online... so I quickly came acquainted with things like 2 girls 1 cup and so on.

    That's fair enough, but I'd say most people can see that there is no connection between what your house mates idea of fun is and porn.Hardly likely they were cracking one off trying to shock each other.

    Even the more extreme porn you described in your post would appeal to very few.


  • #168
    Jaxxy
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    prinz wrote: »
    Jaxxy wrote: »
    Teens need to be educated, not dismissed and told "NO! THAT'S DIRTY!".

    When have I ever suggested otherwise? I'll tell you, nowhere.

    However I would question whether unrestricted access to porn actually equates to education on sex. Does porn educate users on emotions? On feelings? On personal histories of those involved? On compromise and discussion? There's a lot more to sex education than the basic mechanics of the physical act IMO.

    Sorry prinz, I believe I touched on that in my above post, it seems more than yourself picked up on the issue.

    As I said, not an acceptable method of sex education at all. But I don't see the harm in discussing what is out there.

    And just on another point, not all porn is degrading, involves rape or torture or anything so distasteful. And not every individual is going to gravitate towards it just because it is available.


  • #169
    prinz
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    mattjack wrote: »
    That's fair enough, but I'd say most people can see that there is no connection between what your house mates idea of fun is and porn

    So the fact that most of crap they looked out was to be found on porn sites was a coincidence was it?


  • #170
    Scioch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Scioch


    Jaxxy wrote: »
    I never said carte blanche, I said educate. Porn isn't an acceptable method for sex education. I'm talking about discussing it. Realistically porn teaches you little about the actual act of regular sex. Realism vs fantasy should be discussed with teens, in all aspects of life, not just pertaining to sex.

    I agree that discussion is the best education but you seemed to be of the opinion there was nothing wrong with porn (which I'd agree with to an extent) but kids at that age wont want to listen to what you have to say about it and will find porn. Its an awkward age where self discovery is the focus of everything they do. A little discussion will help to separate fantasy and reality but ultimately sexual discovery is a personal journey I think.

    Trouble is in this day and age porn is being accessed via the internet and its impossible to shield kids from the more extreme areas of the industry.


  • #171
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Jaxxy wrote: »
    And just on another point, not all porn is degrading, involves rape or torture or anything so distasteful. And not every individual is going to gravitate towards it just because it is available.

    I never said it was, I was just questioning what a poster means when they say there is no harm whatsoever in letting young people watch porn.... like I said does that mean some porn, some genres, a certain level of hardcore, how do you police it when it comes to the net.


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  • #172
    Jaxxy
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    LordSmeg wrote: »
    Jaxxy wrote: »
    I never said carte blanche, I said educate. Porn isn't an acceptable method for sex education. I'm talking about discussing it. Realistically porn teaches you little about the actual act of regular sex. Realism vs fantasy should be discussed with teens, in all aspects of life, not just pertaining to sex.

    I agree that discussion is the best education but you seemed to be of the opinion there was nothing wrong with porn (which I'd agree with to an extent) but kids at that age wont want to listen to what you have to say about it and will find porn. Its an awkward age where self discovery is the focus of everything they do. A little discussion will help to separate fantasy and reality but ultimately sexual discovery is a personal journey I think.

    Trouble is in this day and age porn is being accessed via the internet and its impossible to shield kids from the more extreme areas of the industry.

    I agree, it is a very personal journey. Doesn't mean I won't try to arm any Jaxxy Juniors with as much information as I possibly can though. ;)

    Look, there are things out there that you're never going to want your teen to see. But chances are, they're going to see it at some stage. As long as they know the difference between real-life and imaginary porno world I think I'd be pleased enough.

    And it's not just porn that exposes them to a new world, they're a constant source of information for each other too.


  • #173
    mattjack
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    prinz wrote: »
    So the fact that most of crap they looked out was to be found on porn sites was a coincidence was it?

    Easy there, I'm acknowledging your point,
    most of those sites are at the best of times lowbrow.
    You could probally find anything from adverts for dating/swingers , medication to enhance your performance , improve your attraction to the opposite sex etc..within a few clicks on these sites.


  • #174
    Scioch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Scioch


    mattjack wrote: »
    That's fair enough, but I'd say most people can see that there is no connection between what your house mates idea of fun is and porn.Hardly likely they were cracking one off trying to shock each other.

    Even the more extreme porn you described in your post would appeal to very few.

    I dont think so, I think the amount of this stuff reflects the market for it. And although I have no stats on it any sizable part of the porn industry (which is absolutely huge) is nothing to be sniffed at.


  • #175
    Nodin
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    christmas2012 wrote: »
    there have been reports on the rise in gang rape incidents in ireland over the last ten years


    ....theres might be a rise in the reporting of rape generally. That doesn't mean rape is on the increase.
    christmas2012 wrote: »
    Tell that to the fourteen year old boy who was watching whatever type of porn he was watching before he raped that five year old..

    Im not saying the two are directly linked but i think his consumption of porn does play a role in it,

    So you're saying it, but you're not saying it but your sort of saying it.

    I can see you've thought this through.
    Prinz wrote:
    I never said it was, I was just questioning what a poster means when they say there is no harm whatsoever in letting young people watch porn.... like I said does that mean some porn, some genres, a certain level of hardcore, how do you police it when it comes to the net.

    Whats that to do with the OP, exactly?


  • #176
    Shenshen
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    M_Bovary wrote: »
    The only assumption was on your part. I didn't assume that women don't watch pornography, but I know that it is more common for men to watch it. With this in mind it is fair to say that a lot more pornography is targeted at a male audience, and the misogynistic element is something which pornography producers believe appeals to a male audience.

    I have to assume now that you are talking about violent porn, because mainstream porn certainly is only misogynistic in focusing too much on the woman and reducing the man to mere genitalia, thereby reducing the enjoyment of this particular consumer somewhat.


  • #177
    mattjack
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    LordSmeg wrote: »
    I dont think so, I think the amount of this stuff reflects the market for it. And although I have no stats on it any sizable part of the porn industry (which is absolutely huge) is nothing to be sniffed at.

    Would you reckon so ? That's a good point, acknowledging the size of the industry, though would they not be niche parts of the industry ?


  • #178
    prinz
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Whats that to do with the OP, exactly?

    I was responding to a post. Do you have a problem with that? If you do report it.


  • #179
    Shenshen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    prinz wrote: »
    I never said it was, I was just questioning what a poster means when they say there is no harm whatsoever in letting young people watch porn.... like I said does that mean some porn, some genres, a certain level of hardcore, how do you police it when it comes to the net.

    How do you police the net at all?
    Education is the only practical option, I think.


  • #180
    Scioch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Scioch


    mattjack wrote: »
    Would you reckon so ? That's a good point, acknowledging the size of the industry, though would they not be niche parts of the industry ?

    They probably would be classed as niche markets I suppose but ad em all together and you have something pretty big. I'd say the fetish/bondage stuff on its own is probably pretty substantial.


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  • #181
    mattjack
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    prinz wrote: »
    I was responding to a post. Do you have a problem with that? If you do report it.

    Jesus wep't, report for what, the poster is just engaging with you.


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