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Pornography to blame for girls rape in todays society?Change of culture?Your thoughts

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  • #62
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    A lot of rapists allege they were abused when they were younger,its the sob story they want to get them off on a lighter more lenient sentence by an understanding judge..

    If you are naive as to believe most rapists were abused,then you gotta wake up,the average rapist is a domineering aggressor,and could you imagine a dominant little shoite being fiddled with?Dont think so.


  • #63
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    A lot of rapists allege they were abused when they were younger,its the sob story they want to get them off on a lighter more lenient sentence by an understanding judge..

    If you are naive as to believe most rapists were abused,then you gotta wake up,the average rapist is a domineering aggressor,and could you imagine a dominant little shoite being fiddled with?Dont think so.

    So someone saying they were abused, so raped = sob story.

    Someone saying they saw some porn, so raped = spot on?

    Me arse.


  • #64
    mattjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    A lot of rapists allege they were abused when they were younger,its the sob story they want to get them off on a lighter more lenient sentence by an understanding judge..

    If you are naive as to believe most rapists were abused,then you gotta wake up,the average rapist is a domineering aggressor,and could you imagine a dominant little shoite being fiddled with?Dont think so.

    How do you define an average rapist ? are all rapists not the same ?


  • #65
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    a lot of rapists profiled are dominant,aggressive,and have anger issues toward women and their mothers in general..


  • #66
    Jaxxy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,297 ✭✭✭Jaxxy


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    a lot of rapists profiled are dominant,aggressive,and have anger issues toward women and their mothers in general..

    Yeah, usually as a result of abuse...


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  • #67
    leggo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭leggo


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    a lot of rapists profiled are dominant,aggressive,and have anger issues toward women and their mothers in general..

    A lot of statements on boards are sweeping and have nothing substantial to back them up.


  • #68
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    where are your sources on that jaxxy?


  • #69
    IM0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    gang rape porn is all over the internet,torture porn etc,its everywhere..

    yeah but its all fake, like POV porn. Ive yet to see an actual rape video on the net, can find tonnes of fake stuff like all porn but no real stuff or again am I missing something. find me one thats real, good look with that. anyway even if the kids watch the rape porn and dont realise it isnt fake like all porn, there should be something in their brain to say "as much as I find this a turn on, rape is wrong"

    basically the old "if someone told you to stick your finger in the fire would you?" lesson lots of us learned/were thought

    sick people are sick people it doesnt matter a **** if they are exposed to things its the following their desires which makes them sick not watching violent video games, porn or whatever other HARMLESSLY CONSUMED BY THE MASSES media you want to point your finger at.


  • #70
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Porn influences you alright.

    I watched some Asian porn this morning..
    Tonight I am having sweet and sour chicken balls for tea.
    Beware folks, beware.


  • #71
    Jaxxy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,297 ✭✭✭Jaxxy


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    where are your sources on that jaxxy?

    So you're telling me that babies are born with anger issues toward their mothers and women. That those issues aren't developed and learned over time?

    That no rapist has developed these tendencies due to a history of abuse, that anyone who claims such a history is making up a sob story?

    Where are your sources, Christmas?

    I think you don't approve of porn. I think you also enjoy reading sensationalist material and jumping on the melo-dramatic bandwagon without any realistic evidence to back up the kind of claims the bored, middle-aged listeners of Joe Duffy make.

    My source for these assumptions is this thread.

    It's the porn Joe! Those blue movies made those people gangrape!


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  • #72
    christmas2012
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    Its not that im against porn,but i think there is overconsumption of it in our society i admit to holding that viewpoint.

    I think if you put someone whos brain has not fully devloped in front of a computer with hoards of porn on it,i think it could become a problem especailly if that kid has a low moral bar..


  • #73
    IM0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    gang rape porn is all over the internet,torture porn etc,its everywhere..
    christmas2012 wrote: »
    Its not that im against porn,but i think there is overconsumption of it in our society i admit to holding that viewpoint.

    I think if you put someone whos brain has not fully devloped in front of a computer with hoards of porn on it,i think it could become a problem especailly if that kid has a low moral bar..

    well its the internet not a computer so :confused:


  • #74
    Jaxxy
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    christmas2012 wrote: »
    Its not that im against porn,but i think there is overconsumption of it in our society i admit to holding that viewpoint.

    I think if you put someone whos brain has not fully devloped in front of a computer with hoards of porn on it,i think it could become a problem especailly if that kid has a low moral bar..

    Why are you blaming porn. Why not the obviously absent parent who is allowing this underdeveloped mind to consume it.


  • #75
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    Its not that im against porn,but i think there is overconsumption of it in our society i admit to holding that viewpoint.

    I think if you put someone whos brain has not fully devloped in front of a computer with hoards of porn on it,i think it could become a problem especailly if that kid has a low moral bar..

    what if you put someone whos brain has not fully devloped in a a co-ed school with hoards of girls with tits in it,i think it could become a problem especailly if that kid has a low moral bar..


  • #76
    christmas2012
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    <----ya but its not a porn set and there all not naked having cocks stuffed in them etc..:pac:


  • #77
    bhamsteve
    Closed Accounts Posts: 451 ✭✭bhamsteve


    This thread seems to have put all the boards fap-oholics on the defensive about their porn rather than having any intelligent debate on how porn can affect the mind of a young person.
    I can see no doubt that exposure to large amounts of porn where women are treated as sexual object and dominated/ mistreated can have a negative effect on the psychological development of a young person. In 99.999% of cases this wouldn't be significant enough to over-ride their morality but in a minority of cases it could combine with other issues and lead to trouble.


  • #78
    Pacing Mule
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,102 ✭✭✭Pacing Mule


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    A lot of rapists allege they were abused when they were younger,its the sob story they want to get them off on a lighter more lenient sentence by an understanding judge..

    If you are naive as to believe most rapists were abused,then you gotta wake up,the average rapist is a domineering aggressor,and could you imagine a dominant little shoite being fiddled with?Dont think so.

    Childhood sexual abuse normally takes place long before any personallity traits come into it. Toddlers, kids too young to understand what is happening etc. If anything the domineering agressor is more often than not borne from and as a result of being abused at an early age - a kind of over compensating. It's that issue / influence on the development of that person that is cited as a mitigating factor.

    Not that I think for a second that it should be used as an excuse. There are plenty of people (me included) who suffered sexual abuse as a child and who do not go on to repeat history with kids or engage in sexual violence with women.


  • #79
    Scioch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Scioch


    Yes the little shít did something he alone takes responsibility for but you cannot ignore the reasons why.

    If a kid is exposed to hardcore porn then of course its going to influence him to some degree, it would be insane to suggest it wouldnt.

    Difficulty is in knowing what this kid was like. 14 year olds probably vary in maturity and awareness of what they are doing sexually. If its deemed to be an impulsive thing influenced by porn then I find it hard to call for the kids head. Wouldnt the trial be enough of a fright for the lad rather than putting him in some institution with worse people and instilling in him the thought he was sexually attracted to kids when he probably isnt ?

    I know what he did was disgusting but sending him down the whole juvy route would probably turn him out to be worse than he actually is.


  • #80
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    I heard Jack the Ripper liked to watch reverse anal gangbangs on his iPad.
    True story.


  • #81
    Scanlas The 2nd
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    christmas2012 wrote: »
    <----ya but its not a porn set and there all not naked having cocks stuffed in them etc..:pac:

    What's wrong with women having cocks "stuffed" in them? It's a natural healthy form of pleasure.


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  • #82
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    ok i know there were jack the ripper rapists about,but what im saying is that the way porn is peddled now,everyone seems to be getting in on videotaping it and it changes our attitudes to sex..


  • #83
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    What's wrong with women having cocks "stuffed" in them? It's a natural healthy form of pleasure.


    mikom wrote: »
    what if you put someone whos brain has not fully devloped in a a co-ed school with hoards of girls with tits in it,i think it could become a problem especailly if that kid has a low moral bar..


    scroll back to page 5,it was in reply to this above:


  • #84
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    christmas2012 wrote: »

    also another piece which you might find interesting,is that there is a rise in gang rape in ireland,is this a new phenomenon or is it just more reported?and is porn to blame for all this,should the individual take criminal responsiblity?

    A heartening amount of commonsense replies to your bizzarre notion have thakfully made any comment I might make redundant.


  • #85
    christmas2012
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    there have been reports on the rise in gang rape incidents in ireland over the last ten years


  • #86
    FairytaleGirl
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    The disturbing thing is that it was a 5 year old girl.

    A 14 year old boy - should not only know better than to rape but even if his little brain was corrupted I doubt he was watching porn with 5year old girls in it.

    If he raped an older girl (11,12,13) maybe the rapist thing could stick but i think his issues go far more into child abuse and being mentally disturbed than being sexually curious to a horrific extent.


  • #87
    Scioch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Scioch


    FairytaleGirl wrote: »
    The disturbing thing is that it was a 5 year old girl.

    A 14 year old boy - should not only know better than to rape but even if his little brain was corrupted I doubt he was watching porn with 5year old girls in it.

    If he raped an older girl (11,12,13) maybe the rapist thing could stick but i think his issues go far more into child abuse and being mentally disturbed than being sexually curious to a horrific extent.

    He didnt seek out a victim. So there was no "Who will I rape, 13 year old or 5 year old?" thought process. He found himself in a position where he could satisfy a sexual urge and he acted on it. Utterly wrong and worrying that he would do that but its nonsense to claim he chose to do it because he's more attracted to 5 year olds than older girls.


  • #88
    Shenshen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    bhamsteve wrote: »
    This thread seems to have put all the boards fap-oholics on the defensive about their porn rather than having any intelligent debate on how porn can affect the mind of a young person.
    I can see no doubt that exposure to large amounts of porn where women are treated as sexual object and dominated/ mistreated can have a negative effect on the psychological development of a young person. In 99.999% of cases this wouldn't be significant enough to over-ride their morality but in a minority of cases it could combine with other issues and lead to trouble.

    I would have to politely disagree.
    As a female, I've enjoyed porn since I found a stack of magazines my dad had hidden in the basement, I was 14 at the time.
    And ever since then I can honestly say I never understood the "women are treated as sexual objects". I mean, maybe the people claiming this are watching different porn from what I watch, but so far most of what I've seen focuses entirely on the woman. She's the centrepiece, and the whole aim of most films is to show how much she enjoys it (if she does or doesn't would be for another debatte).
    The male participants on the other hand are potrayed as nothing but disembodied cocks and balls, with no other purpose than pleasuring the female.
    If anything, it's men who are objectified by mainstream porn, not the women.


  • #89
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    I would disagree with that the man is not identified in the shot,making him have more power,while she is identifiable(ie the object)..


  • #90
    Shenshen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    there have been reports on the rise in gang rape incidents in ireland over the last ten years

    You keep saying that, yet all the figures I cam find online seem to indicate that rape incidents are decreasing...


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  • #91
    Shenshen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    I would disagree with that the man is not identified in the shot,making him have more power,while she is identifiable(ie the object)..

    More power as a disembodied cock? You'll have to explain that one to me.
    And how does being identifiable make her an object? Does Facebook turn us all into objects, then?


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