Just a thought...

Sarky · 03-07-2012 02:40AM

Galvasean wrote: »

The words of someone who was well and truly routed in a debate but hasn't the decency to admit it.

It was totally you he fancied.

Kidchameleon · 03-07-2012 10:17AM

Galvasean wrote: »

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Lads and ladies im outta here for now. Its a shame we cant have a debate here without people resorting to petty insults.

The words of someone who was well and truly routed in a debate but hasn't the decency to admit it.

How did I loose the debate? Youll find if you look at some of my previous threads that i do have the integrity to admit defeat (im on mobile atm so cant link) I said i was out of here FOR NOW and not for good. There were posts that were abusive towards me and reporting them in this forum is like pissing in the wind. Moderation in a&a is atrociously one sided. An issue i have taken up previously with mods here.

Dades · 03-07-2012 11:18AM

Your posts assert a lot of things - but rarely offer any substance to back the assertions up. You tend to vaguely acknowledge the responses you get and shift to another point. Try making your posts longer. Soundbytes are useless.

You also continue to refer to forums users here as "militant" which won't win you either friends or respect.

Northclare · 03-07-2012 11:26AM

Sometimes I realize my biggest victory, is when I admit defeat or walk away from something that I'm powerless over.

I don't argue with Atheists anymore I just have respect for my fellow human beings.

pauldla · 03-07-2012 12:26PM

Dades wrote: »

Your posts assert a lot of things - but rarely offer any substance to back the assertions up. You tend to vaguely acknowledge the responses you get and shift to another point. Try making your posts longer. Soundbytes are useless.

You also continue to refer to forums users here as "militant" which won't win you either friends or respect.

I'd still like to know what he means by 'militant atheist'.

fitz0 · 03-07-2012 12:31PM

You know, those atheists who go out and preach on street corners, shove flyers through your letterbox and blow up abortion clinics write on internet forums dedicated to them.

Sarky · 03-07-2012 01:22PM

Militancy has really let itself go if that's what counts for militant these days.

Corkfeen · 03-07-2012 01:34PM

Northclare wrote: »

Sometimes I realize my biggest victory, is when I admit defeat or walk away from something that I'm powerless over.

I don't argue with Atheists anymore I just have respect for my fellow human beings.

I'm not intolerant of anyone..... :pac: I simply don't have any respect for any organisation that encourages intolerance because of a person's sexual orientation etc and condemns the use of contraceptives. So in essence i'll happily insult an organisation that condones intolerance and attempts to influence government policy on everything from divorce to same sex marriage.... I would consider this to be respecting my fellow human beings.

Just because they claim to have supernatural origins, doesn't mean that the organisation deserves respect plus large scale coverups would make them even less deserving..... Ridicule on the other hand......

Galvasean · 03-07-2012 01:53PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

There were posts that were abusive towards me and reporting them in this forum is like pissing in the wind.

Which posts were abusive and did you report them?
Bear in mind someone telling someone that they are wrong is not a form of abuse.

Northclare · 03-07-2012 01:59PM

What I should have said is I used to argue with Atheists on this forum.
I felt it was unfair because an atheist never really offended me intentionally.
I now have respect for the Atheists on Boards.ie.
I have opinions on outside issues but when I'm in the Atheism posts I don't indulge in my opinions about God anymore.

Cork feen I hope you didn't feel like I offended you in.any way

Corkfeen · 03-07-2012 02:19PM

Northclare wrote: »

What I should have said is I used to argue with Atheists on this forum.
I felt it was unfair because an atheist never really offended me intentionally.
I now have respect for the Atheists on Boards.ie.
I have opinions on outside issues but when I'm in the Atheism posts I don't indulge in my opinions about God anymore.

Cork feen I hope you didn't feel like I offended you in.any way

Ahhh no it's cool, I half misread you the first time round... :pac: It still applies for the many other posters who don't think religious organisations should be criticised.

I'm not easily offended these days.....

irishconvert · 03-07-2012 03:49PM

Pushtrak wrote: »

Islam actually has a bit of a work around for its morality for prostitution. I don't know how common this is, but the work around is like this: The guy will pay a fee to marry the woman for however long, and at the end the marriage is ended.

This not correct. These are people making up their own rules to get something which is clearly against Islamic teaching. You can't talk the actions of people who claim to be Muslim and say it is Islamic teaching.

Pushtrak · 03-07-2012 03:55PM

irishconvert wrote: »

This not correct. These are people making up their own rules to get something which is clearly against Islamic teaching. You can't talk the actions of people who claim to be Muslim and say it is Islamic teaching.

Sorry, phrased that badly. I did say I didn't know how common it was, didn't want to try to imply it was a tenet or something.

Edit: Note, I did say "but it isn't exactly following the religion in a particularly honest fashion."

irishconvert · 03-07-2012 03:58PM

Pushtrak wrote: »

Sorry, phrased that badly. I did say I didn't know how common it was, didn't want to try to imply it was a tenet or something.

Edit: Note, I did say "but it isn't exactly following the religion in a particularly honest fashion."

Ok cool, thanks for the clarification :-)

iguana · 03-07-2012 04:02PM

whatsup? wrote: »

People of faith reject increasing secularization because the feel society would be worse off by it.

Oh they do do now, do they? Because most people of faith that I know support the complete separation of Church and State because they (a) don't want to force their beliefs on anyone else and/or (b) feel that if the law bans them from doing things their religion forbids then they too are having their choice to follow their faith removed.

Kidchameleon · 03-07-2012 04:12PM

pauldla wrote: »

I'd still like to know what he means by 'militant atheist'.

In fairness, everyone knows what a "militant atheist" is. I dont really know what your getting at there but its probably very funny.

Dades wrote: »

You also continue to refer to forums users here as "militant" which won't win you either friends or respect.

Well is there a more politically correct way of describing an atheist who continually has a pop at the church and those with a belief? If so ill happily use it.

oldrnwisr · 03-07-2012 04:14PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

In fairness, everyone knows what a "militant atheist" is.

Indeed.

Sarky · 03-07-2012 04:16PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

In fairness, everyone knows what a "militant atheist" is.

Then please indulge us, I'm sure you'll have no problem actually spelling out what everyone already knows.

I dont really know what your getting at there but its probably very funny.

It is not funny. Not at all, unfortunately.

Well is there a more politically correct way of describing an atheist who continually has a pop at the church and those with a belief? If so ill happily use it.

How about "rational person"? If your beliefs are so fragile that they can't withstand someone having a pop at them, then maybe you should examine your beliefs more closely. The fault is not with atheists.

Pushtrak · 03-07-2012 04:16PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Well is there a more politically correct way of describing an atheist who continually has a pop at the church and those with a belief? If so ill happily use it.

I believe the appropriate nomenclature is "correct".

fitz0 · 03-07-2012 04:19PM

oldrnwisr wrote: »

Indeed.

Well I DO drink beer but I don't have the t-shirt. Am I still a militant?

Delirium · 03-07-2012 04:20PM

oldrnwisr wrote: »

Indeed.

And let's not forget this scale;

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Dades · 03-07-2012 04:38PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Well is there a more politically correct way of describing an atheist who continually has a pop at the church and those with a belief? If so ill happily use it.

A critic?

Turtwig · 03-07-2012 04:42PM

Very late to this thread (am I ever on time?).

OP,
Any discussions that go in this forum are here because they are of interest to atheists and agnostics and, more importantly, they aren't more suited to any other forum. Take a look at the soccer forum, you'll note that there is a overriding abundance of English Premier League related threads this is because that's what the majority of Irish people are interested. But among those you'll find La Liga, Sierra A, League of Ireland etc etc. league and club threads. As well as other miscellaneous threads that people with an interest soccer like to discuss from time to time. The same is true of this forum. Catholicism get's the brunt of our attention because for most of us it was our own faith. It's the religion we have the most experience of and it certainly is the one that exhibited the most control over our lives and for some of us it still does. It's also the majority religion of the world. Another way to look at it is that the US, Russia and China are superpowers that everyone here knows stereotypical jokes of and frequently like to criticise. There's a saying that I'm most certainly going to be called out for bastardising here : Big Bodies make bigger and easier targets that little bodies just love to try to hit.
From the perspective of this forum the RCC is the biggest body and so it's only natural that every other facet of society both religious and non-religious will try to hit it - Welcome to being a Catholic. The thing is even as a Catholic you have recognise when some of the hits against your organisation are valid ones.

You asked why I discuss atheism? Because I find love philosophy and find it fascinating what humans believe and the reasons for why they believe it. Also, I'm a whore for discussions, I love them.

I find it a little odd that you are suggesting the reasons a person believes what they believe doesn't matter. You're entitled to think that, (perhaps I took you up wrong here?) but from my point of view what matters isn't what a person believes but why they believe it. Taking an extreme example which you may feel is unfair, imagine if everyone believed in mass suicide via self flagellation would you really just tell me it's a political issue and it doesn't matter why they believe they should self flagellate themselves to death?

endacl · 03-07-2012 04:56PM

fitz0 wrote: »

oldrnwisr wrote: »

Indeed.

Well I DO drink beer but I don't have the t-shirt. Am I still a militant?

Nope. This would make you a simple dabbler. Get the shirt. It's important. And the hat. Then we can start on the underwear requirements.

oldrnwisr · 03-07-2012 04:58PM

fitz0 wrote: »

Well I DO drink beer but I don't have the t-shirt. Am I still a militant?

Here you go. Sorted.

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Scarlet Letter "A" T-Shirt (RDFRS)

Kidchameleon · 03-07-2012 05:15PM

Sarky wrote: »

If your beliefs are so fragile that they can't withstand someone having a pop at them, then maybe you should examine your beliefs more closely. The fault is not with atheists.

I'm an atheist myself. Just not of the "critic" type.

Sarky · 03-07-2012 05:20PM

I wasn't referring to you specifically. But since you're here, why are you getting worked up about people finding flaws in religion? I mean sure, it's not exactly hard to do, but who's getting harmed, exactly?

whatsup? · 03-07-2012 11:17PM

Jernal wrote: »

Very late to this thread (am I ever on time?).

OP,
Any discussions that go in this forum are here because they are of interest to atheists and agnostics and, more importantly, they aren't more suited to any other forum. Take a look at the soccer forum, you'll note that there is a overriding abundance of English Premier League related threads this is because that's what the majority of Irish people are interested. But among those you'll find La Liga, Sierra A, League of Ireland etc etc. league and club threads. As well as other miscellaneous threads that people with an interest soccer like to discuss from time to time. The same is true of this forum. Catholicism get's the brunt of our attention because for most of us it was our own faith. It's the religion we have the most experience of and it certainly is the one that exhibited the most control over our lives and for some of us it still does. It's also the majority religion of the world. Another way to look at it is that the US, Russia and China are superpowers that everyone here knows stereotypical jokes of and frequently like to criticise. There's a saying that I'm most certainly going to be called out for bastardising here : Big Bodies make bigger and easier targets that little bodies just love to try to hit.
From the perspective of this forum the RCC is the biggest body and so it's only natural that every other facet of society both religious and non-religious will try to hit it - Welcome to being a Catholic. The thing is even as a Catholic you have recognise when some of the hits against your organisation are valid ones.

You asked why I discuss atheism? Because I find love philosophy and find it fascinating what humans believe and the reasons for why they believe it. Also, I'm a whore for discussions, I love them.

I find it a little odd that you are suggesting the reasons a person believes what they believe doesn't matter. You're entitled to think that, (perhaps I took you up wrong here?) but from my point of view what matters isn't what a person believes but why they believe it. Taking an extreme example which you may feel is unfair, imagine if everyone believed in mass suicide via self flagellation would you really just tell me it's a political issue and it doesn't matter why they believe they should self flagellate themselves to death?

I understand what your're saying and I've no problem with people discussing their beliefs or lack of in any forum. Everyone is entitled to their opinion! What annoyed me here was to see the church and those who possess a faith in it being constantly ridiculed and belittled.

Earlier what i was trying to say was that even though people have a view that is influenced by church teaching its still their viewpoint and should be respected, for example a person may be against abortion because they personally are against it, not because the church is. The Church doesn't deserve all the abuse it gets just because it upholds views that others decide to agree with. If the church was pro-abortion and pro gay marriage i'm sure there would still be people in this world who would be against it..maybe atheists!?

Also i see "militant atheism" as someone who takes to the street to enforce a godless agenda through "military" means, like Stalin and the likes. I don't think anyone here falls into that bracket!

Burt Lancaster · 03-07-2012 11:52PM

whatsup? wrote: »

I understand what your're saying and I've no problem with people discussing their beliefs or lack of in any forum. Everyone is entitled to their opinion! What annoyed me here was to see the church and those who possess a faith in it being constantly ridiculed and belittled.

Earlier what i was trying to say was that even though people have a view that is influenced by church teaching its still their viewpoint and should be respected, for example a person may be against abortion because they personally are against it, not because the church is. The Church doesn't deserve all the abuse it gets just because it upholds views that others decide to agree with. If the church was pro-abortion and pro gay marriage i'm sure there would still be people in this world who would be against it..maybe atheists!?

Also i see "militant atheism" as someone who takes to the street to enforce a godless agenda through "military" means, like Stalin and the likes. I don't think anyone here falls into that bracket!

Wrong. You've no cartoons to back that up.

pauldla · 04-07-2012 01:25AM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

In fairness, everyone knows what a "militant atheist" is. I dont really know what your getting at there but its probably very funny.

Funny? Funny how? Is it the way I talk? Like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I'm here to make you laugh?

No, only Joe Pesci can pull that off. Sorry.

I'm wary of sentences that begin with 'everyone knows..', but let's let that one pass. What I don't know is what you mean by the term 'militant atheist', and I'd like to hear what you think it is. Come on, dude, tell us, you might be doing us a favour.

Just a thought...

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