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Should prostitution be legalised? Or what...

  • 24-06-2012 12:19AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭


    This has been in the media lately- there was an examiner ad on the radio last week about their story regarding brothels in Cork. There was also a group looking for change in law earlier this year to change the focus from those who sell to those who buy.
    Sex trade campaigners have claimed backing from 80 TDs and senators for their demands to criminalise prostitution in Ireland.

    An umbrella group, calling itself 'Turn off the Red Light', want to see Nordic-style legislation introduced here which would grant sex workers immunity while those who buy sex are prosecuted. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0207/breaking49.html

    The current situation is that vulnerable females are exploited in many cases. would different laws change that. What country has the best laws in regard of this?

    Solution to problem 27 votes

    Prostitution is illegal- those who provide the service should be held accountable
    0% 0 votes
    Prostitution is illegal- it is those who seek this service that should be held accountable.
    33% 9 votes
    It should be legalised- and regulated (safety, etc for those who wish to work)
    66% 18 votes


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,808 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    If the issue is with human trafficking, then more resources and laws should be enabled to deal with this root cause. If the state is implying that there is a moral issue to be addressed here, this speaks loudly about their abandonment of any form of cohesive policy given the sea-change in traditional Western morality over this generation to the current progressive permissiveness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    Manach wrote: »
    If the issue is with human trafficking, then more resources and laws should be enabled to deal with this root cause. If the state is implying that there is a moral issue to be addressed here, this speaks loudly about their abandonment of any form of cohesive policy given the sea-change in traditional Western morality over this generation to the current progressive permissiveness.

    As I see it (and I emphasise this is off top of head) the main problems that need to be addressed start with that in first line of reply,
    human trafficking,
    expoloitation of vulnerable people (including drug addicts and underage children),
    Safety of women (from violent attacks).

    I am sure there are more nuanced problems but these are important issues. In terms of western morality Australia has different law on prostitution. I am not sure if they are successful. What I do know is that I find the current analysis (as per media recently) distressing in that it seems unnessesarily unfair to the women in this trade.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    Prostitution should be legal and safely regulated & controlled,Its an normal act,A prostitute and her client agreeing on a fee for sex,it violates no ones rights and does not directly harm anyone else,So it should be legalised.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Woodward


    It should definetely be legalised. Its a pity Ruhuma misrepresent the issue to further their own ideology and some feminists push for the swedish style laws to prosecute the users of prostitutes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,560 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I think one of the main problems with this debate is going to be Ruhama. As long as the primary source of data on prostitution reported in the media is a right-wing religious organisation, any debate is going to be fundamentally flawed. For example, while Ruhama seem to claim that the majority of women working in prostitution in Ireland are trafficked, the Gardaí report that they've come across very, very few cases.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    Sleepy wrote: »
    I think one of the main problems with this debate is going to be Ruhama. As long as the primary source of data on prostitution reported in the media is a right-wing religious organisation, any debate is going to be fundamentally flawed. For example, while Ruhama seem to claim that the majority of women working in prostitution in Ireland are trafficked, the Gardaí report that they've come across very, very few cases.
    I get the impression that the truth is often sacrificed on the alter of ideology or 'morality' on this particular subject. In the related area of pornography the US media has frequently been accused of intentionally distorting facts to push an anti-pornography agenda and there have been similar accusations of this where it comes to claims of trafficking by NGO's.

    On a purely practical level, I cannot see trafficking being viable in a country where prostitution is legal and properly regulated, as regulated brothels would be monitored for this and those brothels that would continue to operate outside of the law would end up pricing themselves out of the market (illegal goods/services always carry a premium price point). Even before this though, first of all one would have to demonstrate that trafficking is a serious problem first, and this remains an open question.

    Of course prostitution, as with pornography, is not an ideal occupation for anyone, and beyond the social stigma, health concerns would persist even in a regulated market. Nonetheless, neither are many other occupations ideal either; although as over 90% of work-related deaths are male and these occupations don't contravene religious morality there appears to be little interest in reforming or banning them simply on the basis of it being dangerous or degrading.

    In reality, the motivation for its criminalization appears to be either religious and/or ideological and has little to do with prostitution itself, from what I can see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭miec


    I am running against the consensus on this one. Before I go on I am discussing prostitution in the context of two adults who strike a bargain / deal so to speak so I won't be discussing human trafficking or underage prostitutes. Also my argument relates to both men and women. My issue is with the commodification of sex.

    I used to be in favour of legalising prostitution as I believed it is a consensual act between two adults so let them on and who are they harming. However since learning more about it and examining it on a deeper level I see it as an immoral act from a spiritual perspective. When a person pays someone for sex it is either an act of power or desperation. Paid sex divorces sex from its spiritual element and by legalising prostitution it just feeds into that further.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Woodward


    miec wrote: »
    I am running against the consensus on this one. Before I go on I am discussing prostitution in the context of two adults who strike a bargain / deal so to speak so I won't be discussing human trafficking or underage prostitutes. Also my argument relates to both men and women. My issue is with the commodification of sex.

    I used to be in favour of legalising prostitution as I believed it is a consensual act between two adults so let them on and who are they harming. However since learning more about it and examining it on a deeper level I see it as an immoral act from a spiritual perspective. When a person pays someone for sex it is either an act of power or desperation. Paid sex divorces sex from its spiritual element and by legalising prostitution it just feeds into that further.


    If you feel sex is a spiritual experience good for you but not everyone does so why should your morality be forced on other people when it doesnt concern anyone but the people involved. You could say a massage is a spiritual affair so do you want massage parlours outlawed?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    miec wrote: »
    I am running against the consensus on this one.
    Thank God; this thread was beginning to look boring...
    Before I go on I am discussing prostitution in the context of two adults who strike a bargain / deal so to speak so I won't be discussing human trafficking or underage prostitutes. Also my argument relates to both men and women.
    I agree; I don't think that those are relevant to any such discussion as I don't think anyone is arguing for their legalization.
    I used to be in favour of legalising prostitution as I believed it is a consensual act between two adults so let them on and who are they harming. However since learning more about it and examining it on a deeper level I see it as an immoral act from a spiritual perspective. When a person pays someone for sex it is either an act of power or desperation. Paid sex divorces sex from its spiritual element and by legalising prostitution it just feeds into that further.
    Could you be a bit more specific? I'll have to be honest, when someone talks in general terms about something being immoral or about spirituality, my eyes begin to glaze over.

    You'll need to better argue your objection as so far it appears to be little more than a 'gut feeling'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    It was looking a bit one sided there! I think it might be the demograph posting on boards in general and also on the humanities board are more liberal (in some ways). For example if the same type question was put to a referendum it would be defeated comfortably IMO.

    In Victoria in Australia one of the problems with the legalisation has been that the number of brothels began rising to fast. It also gives a more difficult to regulate problem- the women find it harder to make a living as the 'cut' for their managers becomes larger. This and more is contained in this report into Victoria-
    Women are thus forced to experience exploitation on the streets, illegally, or from sex
    “businessmen” in brothels. For women in legal brothels, managers and owners demand
    up to 50% to 60% of takings. This is in the face of strong competition among prostituted
    women for “clients” as increasing numbers of women enter prostitution, and as men have
    an excess of sexual services on offer for them to buy. Legalisation, then, makes it harder
    for women to earn a living through prostitution.
    .....

    Those who defend prostitution and call for legalisation often say that it is consensual and
    women “choose” this “work.” What does this “consent” consist of? Many women engage
    in two forms of work to make enough money to survive. One third of prostituted women
    working in brothels in Victoria earned less than 500 Australian dollars, with only one in
    five earning more than $1,000 per week (The Age, 28 Feb, 1999). Thus a woman who
    waits tables in the daytime, protected perhaps by a sexual harassment policy, against men
    grabbing her breasts, will be considered to have “consented” at 5 p.m. to much more
    violating acts in the licensed brothel. In fact the “consent” is likely to take the form
    simply of dissociation.
    ......

    Legalisation was supposed to get prostituted women off the streets. Street prostitution
    remained illegal. It was thought that women would choose to work in brothels. In fact
    street prostitution still exists because it is related to wider social problems. Women who
    are homeless, seriously drug addicted, under age, or who want to avoid being exploited
    by sex “businessmen” continue to work on the street and suffer severe violence there.
    The government’s Advisory Committee on prostitution determined that women are the
    vast majority of street prostitutes, though there are also boys and transsexuals. Women
    remain in the industry for between 10–15 years, “entrenched in a life cycle of
    prostitution, drugs and prison.” A Victorian study called Off Our Backs in 1996
    confirmed that 80 percent of street prostituted women are heavy drug users, with a
    $A100–500 a day drug problem. Forty–six percent are mothers with children in
    protective care.
    Street prostituted women, because of the illicit nature of their work, are doubly
    vulnerable to rape, battery and murder from the men who use them and from male passers
    by. Statistics produced by the Prostitutes’ Collective of Victoria prior to the passing of
    the 1994 Act reveal that reported rapes of prostituted women averaged 2 per week, with
    one assault per night and 2 murders over the last year. Street prostituted women are
    harassed by police and gutter crawlers. However, when prostituted women are
    criminalised they cannot demand police protection or claim legal recourse for robbery or
    coercion, for they thereby expose themselves as implicated in a criminalised trade.

    ...

    Conclusion
    Opposition to men’s prostitution abuse, and challenging the social acceptance of the
    prostitution industry, is aided in many countries by the existence of a prostitution
    survivors’ movement that speaks out about what prostitution really means for women. It
    was the speaking out of survivors that empowered the feminist challenges to other forms
    of violence: domestic violence, rape, child sexual abuse. In a country like Australia, and a
    state like Victoria, where prostitution abuse has been so normalised, it is particularly hard
    for survivors to speak out against it. One resource run by and for prostitution survivors
    does exist -- Linda’s House of Hope, in Perth, West Australia (see Linda’s House of
    Hope, Compass, ABC TV, 29 April, 2001). As the prostitution survivors’ movement
    develops, it will be easier to change the climate of acceptance that has allowed the
    industry to flourish in Victoria and elsewhere, and gain an effective solution to the
    problems of prostitution outlined here.
    The reality is that prostitution cannot be made respectable. Legalisation does not make it
    so. Prostitution is an industry that arises from the historical subordination of women and
    the historical right of men to buy and exchange women simply as objects for sexual use.
    It thrives on poverty, drug abuse, the trafficking in vulnerable women and children.
    Prostitution teaches men how to mistreat women and damages the lives of both the
    women who are used, the women whose partners, sons, brothers and workmates are the
    abusers, and the status of all women in the state. Legalisation causes the business of
    A generation of men in Victoria have now learned that it is acceptable to treat
    women as objects for their sexual use.
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    sexual exploitation to flourish. As more and more women and children are drawn into the
    industry, and more and more men become abusers, the profits from the abuse become an
    indispensable part of the state’s revenue. The sex “businessmen” network with judges
    and politicians, and float their brothels on the stock exchange. Once prostitution is
    legalised, ending it becomes much more difficult, as a lobby of “respectable”
    businessmen would have to be put out of business, and the government would have to tax
    the rich instead of living off women’s bodies.
    Ultimately the best way forward in Victoria would be to follow the example of Sweden
    where model legislation in 1998 penalises the men who “buy sexual services” and
    decriminalises the women. In combination with generous services to support prostituted
    women in getting out, this would be effective. Unfortunately it will take some time to
    create a social understanding of prostitution in Victoria that will make this possible.
    Countries that have not yet gone down the path of legalisation are in a position to develop
    policies to end the harms of prostitution. Legalisation compounds the harms of
    prostitution rather than relieving them. It is not the answer.
    SOURCE- http://action.web.ca/home/catw/attach/AUSTRALIAlegislation20001.pdf

    In addition to the above quoted text and not wanting to quote the full report it has also been the experience in Victoria that trafficking has increased as has underage. This does not really need to form a part of our discussion if people wish not to. I would have thought though that one of the very purposes of legalising this trade would be to allow illimination of both these unfortunate features of prostitution.


    Can all these problems be put down to legislation? The legalisation argument does have some merits but if the whole prostitution scene increases to the extent described then the overall problem with its darkside will also increase with legalisation. While this is the case (legalising it will increase the problems with it on the street) it won't even be considered.


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    Its the oldest profession in the world. It will always be there no matter what the legislation says. Therefore it is better to legalize it and provide protection to its workers. Pimps can get new jobs as union reps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,560 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    My "rabid feminist/misandrist" alarm is going off somewhat at the tone of that article jonniebgood1: so many unnecessary sexing of the "baddies": businessmen (when brothel management is traditionally a female dominated business), "vulnerable to rape, battery and murder from the men who use them and from male passers by" - are they not vulnerable to rape, battery and murder from the female passers by? Perhaps the author has never heard of Rosemary West?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    In addition to the above quoted text and not wanting to quote the full report it has also been the experience in Victoria that trafficking has increased as has underage.
    Actually that report gives absolutely no evidence to this effect. At best it gives, largely anecdotal, evidence of the existence of trafficking (including quoting their own organization as a source), but no where do they show any actual figures examining increases in alleged, let alone confirmed, cases of trafficking.
    I would have thought though that one of the very purposes of legalising this trade would be to allow illimination of both these unfortunate features of prostitution.
    Legalization won't eliminate the darker side of prostitution, any more than criminalization will - it would be foolish to claim that either could.
    Sleepy wrote: »
    My "rabid feminist/misandrist" alarm is going off somewhat at the tone of that article jonniebgood1
    I did get that feeling too; at one point it spoke disdainfully about "the “rights” of men that are being catered to". That they participate in events such as this, does not exactly fill me with faith as to their academic impartiality.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    If you legalise prostitution,crime will go through the roof,how our government will be able to handle the cost of beefing up policing to deal with this new development im not so sure they will..

    If handled properly it could rake in huge revenue,but the knock on effects of crime and other types of dealers and pimps using ireland as a stop off would be massive..And as our police force is now,they wouldnt have the man power to deal with that..

    Decriminalisation of prostitution i think is the way to stay,being honest,if police need to see what is going on they should have the powers to do so..

    Legalising it completely means the police cannot have the powers to see what crimes are being committed such as trafficking of young females and males..

    There will always be an element of those who do not want a prostitution license or brothel license,and they will want to stay under the radar and legalising it completely may mean those people dont get ordinarily noticed at routine checks..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭miec


    If you feel sex is a spiritual experience good for you but not everyone does so why should your morality be forced on other people when it doesnt concern anyone but the people involved. You could say a massage is a spiritual affair so do you want massage parlours outlawed?

    So should I say nothing? I thought this was a forum for debate on the subject.

    @Corinthian in answer to your question, well as I am coming from a position that incorporates mind, body and soul then my argument may become fuzzy but I will do my best to be clear. First of I come from a belief that we have a mind, body and soul which interacts with each other and optimum health is when each of these interact as a whole. If I was to use a scientific analogy I would say matter, chemicals and energy that works in healthy symmetry.

    Having sex is a physical act but it also induces chemicals and emotions. I believe that having sex can alter a person physically and spiritually. If we achieve orgasm and if it is powerful enough we can go into an altered state of consciousness. Now reduce that down into a transaction brings in a whole raft of problems in my opinion. You are reducing your bits by a price tag and in order to carry out the act in such a functional manner you have to fragment yourself which to my mind often creates mental illness. That for me applies to both parties involved. When society says yes lets commodify (aka legalise) the sex act then that normalises functional, soulless sex.

    That is one aspect but on a more practical level, if prostitution is legalised then it should in theory become a career choice. Who in their right mind is going to choose prostitution as a career? Now I have read accounts of this, mainly women who enjoy having the extra money or having extra sex. Personally I wonder if they are either addicted to money or sex and so it comes back to my spiritual argument that they are fragmented and give a glowing account of how great it is to cover up their own unease.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    If you legalise prostitution,crime will go through the roof,how our government will be able to handle the cost of beefing up policing to deal with this new development im not so sure they will..
    How would this happen? Can you point to any evidence supporting your logic? Or is this just your opinion?
    Decriminalisation of prostitution i think is the way to stay,being honest,if police need to see what is going on they should have the powers to do so..
    Decriminalization means making something that is illegal, legal, btw...
    Legalising it completely means the police cannot have the powers to see what crimes are being committed such as trafficking of young females and males..
    Again, what is your logic here?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    Should we make casual sex illegal then? Custodial sentences for swingers? Perhaps fines for one-night-stands?

    I think you are overestimating the psychological aspect to sex and have not really given any evidence that it is simply a personal opinion or feeling. Not everyone sees sex in the same way as you do, so it would be wrong to legislate for them.

    Secondly, the cynic in my has long thought that sex is already pretty much commodized even without prostitution. Many relationships (especially marriages) end up as little more than exchanges of sex for security eventually and some even begin that way - as Brendan Behan once quipped "the difference between sex for money and sex for free, is the former normally costs less".


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    ''Secondly, the cynic in my has long thought that sex is already pretty much commodized even without prostitution. Many relationships (especially marriages) end up as little more than exchanges of sex for security eventually and some even begin that way - as Brendan Behan once quipped "the difference between sex for money and sex for free, is the former normally costs less". ''

    I wouldnt say thats a reason to champion prostitution,there is the murkier side of it ,the young females that are forced into it,trafficked and beaten and threatened and raped if they dont do as asked..

    Its all very well brendan behan making light of it,but that doesnt add valid weight to the argument.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    to the poster above decriminilisation is slightly different to fully legalisting it BTW,it means if police want to they can still do a raid eventhough they have legal status,it is not fully legal..


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    ''Legalising it completely means the police cannot have the powers to see what crimes are being committed such as trafficking of young females and males..
    Again, what is your logic here?''

    Fully legalising it,and at the current rate of our police force in ireland means busting up non licensed trafficking,and prostitution will be lower down the priority list and will go un noticed,so it will be an even bigger problem than before because of status..


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    miec wrote: »
    That is one aspect but on a more practical level, if prostitution is legalised then it should in theory become a career choice. Who in their right mind is going to choose prostitution as a career?
    I forgot to address this point: Who in their right mind is going to choose sanitation as a career? Or coal mining? Or flipping burgers? Not everyone grows up to be an astronaut.
    I wouldnt say thats a reason to champion prostitution,
    I never said that it is a reason to champion prostitution, only that it cannot in good faith be used as a reason to oppose it.
    there is the murkier side of it ,the young females that are forced into it,trafficked and beaten and threatened and raped if they dont do as asked..
    Aside from the fact that it has already been questioned how much this actually occurs, legalization and regulation would be specifically designed to counteract such effects - the opposite of what you claim.

    An excellent example is of the prohibition era in the US. Criminalizing alcohol resulted in a huge increase in crime, not to mention public health issues associated with bootleg alcohol. The whole thing was such a disaster that it was repealed after a decade and the organized crime that it spawned essentially evaporated as it could no longer compete in a legal and regulated industry.
    Its all very well brendan behan making light of it,but that doesnt add valid weight to the argument.
    It does underline that it is more than my own personal opinion - unlike anything you have written to date.
    to the poster above decriminilisation is slightly different to fully legalisting it BTW,it means if police want to they can still do a raid eventhough they have legal status,it is not fully legal..
    No one has suggested that it should not be regulated though.
    Fully legalising it,and at the current rate of our police force in ireland means busting up non licensed trafficking,and prostitution will be lower down the priority list and will go un noticed,so it will be an even bigger problem than before because of status..
    That makes no sense whatsoever. Regulation need not be carried out by law enforcement, but by specialized agencies that would in effect be funded by tax revenue from prostitution and only need to call upon law enforcement if necessary. If anything, law enforcement would end up with less work on their hands.


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    If it was legalized, there would be a lot more jobs going in Sallins (as per the primetime program).
    Legalization could bring a lot more jobs and tax revenue. While at it they will need to legalize male prostitution as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    Currently it is not illegal.
    It is not illegal to pay for sex or to provide sex for a fee.

    There are those who are working hard to present this as a loop hole in the law
    which needs to be closed for the moral greater good, and with out consulting
    those who are sex workers.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    what about sex workers that are trafficked or under duress? have you asked those victims?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    No one has suggested that it should not be regulated though.

    That makes no sense whatsoever. Regulation need not be carried out by law enforcement, but by specialized agencies that would in effect be funded by tax revenue from prostitution and only need to call upon law enforcement if necessary. If anything, law enforcement would end up with less work on their hands.



    Problem is if it does become fully legal,the problem IS as i stated before,that those who WANT to remain unlicensed will do so under the radar...And the fact it is legal ,means it will be lower down the priority list to check these places out..

    As far as specialized agencies are concerned they COST money.. Which is money we dont currently have..


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    ''Its all very well brendan behan making light of it,but that doesnt add valid weight to the argument.
    It does underline that it is more than my own personal opinion - unlike anything you have written to date.''




    Read here for my opinion on it,which i did express,maybe you should scroll back before shooting the mouth off on the keyboard.
    .
    If you legalise prostitution,crime will go through the roof,how our government will be able to handle the cost of beefing up policing to deal with this new development im not so sure they will..

    If handled properly it could rake in huge revenue,but the knock on effects of crime and other types of dealers and pimps using ireland as a stop off would be massive..And as our police force is now,they wouldnt have the man power to deal with that..

    Decriminalisation of prostitution i think is the way to stay,being honest,if police need to see what is going on they should have the powers to do so..

    Legalising it completely means the police cannot have the powers to see what crimes are being committed such as trafficking of young females and males..

    There will always be an element of those who do not want a prostitution license or brothel license,and they will want to stay under the radar and legalising it completely may mean those people dont get ordinarily noticed at routine checks..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    what about sex workers that are trafficked or under duress? have you asked those victims?

    Trafficking is illegal, so is that level of intimidation, trying to out law paying for sex due to those abuses is like trying to out law driving due to drunk drivers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    what about sex workers that are trafficked or under duress? have you asked those victims?
    How would legalizing prostitution increase trafficking? If anything it will decrease it.
    Problem is if it does become fully legal,the problem IS as i stated before,that those who WANT to remain unlicensed will do so under the radar...And the fact it is legal ,means it will be lower down the priority list to check these places out..
    Please read what I already wrote, both on the historical example of prohibition in the US and this:
    On a purely practical level, I cannot see trafficking being viable in a country where prostitution is legal and properly regulated, as regulated brothels would be monitored for this and those brothels that would continue to operate outside of the law would end up pricing themselves out of the market (illegal goods/services always carry a premium price point). Even before this though, first of all one would have to demonstrate that trafficking is a serious problem first, and this remains an open question.
    As far as specialized agencies are concerned they COST money.. Which is money we dont currently have..
    Again, you don't seem to be reading what is posted:
    Regulation need not be carried out by law enforcement, but by specialized agencies that would in effect be funded by tax revenue from prostitution and only need to call upon law enforcement if necessary.
    I've emboldened the relevant part to make it easier for you to read.
    Read here for my opinion on it,which i did express,maybe you should scroll back before shooting the mouth off on the keyboard..
    I know it's your personal opinion, but that's all it is. My quoting Behan was not meant to really add much, but it did demonstrate that it is more than just my personal opinion.

    From what I can see, you've really done little than give your opinion in the shape of sweeping claims, without even explaining the logic behind them (let alone give evidence supporting them) and often without reading the replies given to you.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    Sharrow wrote: »
    Trafficking is illegal, so is that level of intimidation, trying to out law paying for sex due to those abuses is like trying to out law driving due to drunk drivers.


    not the same thing,thats a bad analogy if i ever saw one,as trafficking and prostitution are interlinked,they go hand in hand,drink driving does not..


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    ''what about sex workers that are trafficked or under duress? have you asked those victims?
    How would legalizing prostitution increase trafficking? If anything it will decrease it.''


    In holland prostitution trafficking has increased since legislation of prostitution,the same result could easily happen in ireland.

    Lets just say legilslation of prostitution occured(all your dreams come true)..Think of the market,there are plenty of sex tourists in ireland landing,as a result there is a huge market,so you will find this will in turn attract sex traffickers who want to follow the money and who want to remain unlicensed..

    The problem with fully legalising it means the gards wont have any power to do searches on premises,and it will go down on the priority to do list of the gardai..


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