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fasttalkerchat · 23-06-2012 10:29PM

srm23 wrote: »

Ireland(outside Dublin)...

Guinness, Horses running through council estates, .

Never in my life did I see this until I lived in Dublin!

Rothko · 23-06-2012 10:42PM

srm23 wrote: »

people with eyebrows on their cheeks,.

What?

Winston Payne · 23-06-2012 11:18PM

Suas11 wrote: »

What?

Dirt. We're filthy innit*.

*=this is NOT a reference to nationality. It's just a figure of speech.

Fromthetrees · 24-06-2012 12:45AM

The King of Moo wrote: »

In terms of the whole world, I think men have it much better, but just in terms of Ireland, I don't think there's such a big difference between the sexes. I acknowledge the many cases of discrimination against men you've mentioned, and agree that they're wrong. I also believe that women suffer a fair deal of discrimination as well, but overall this is a good country to live in compared to others, and I don't think it's important to decide who in Ireland is more discriminated against, as I doubt there's a big difference. What's more important to me also is that we get rid of all forms of unfair discrimination.

I've no problem at all with men complaining against genuine discrimination, and believe that most people are receptive when it's a genuine case of discrimination, just as they would in the case of a black or gay or female person complaining.

What I do have a problem with is men who complain about trivialities like Loose Women as though they're a horrendous atrocity against men, and say that it's harder for men than women, without specifying that they mean only in certain cases in the west.

I'm glad you have no problem with men complaining against genuine discrimination, should anyone have a problem with complaining about genuine discrimination though?

I don't know what 'Loose Woman' is.
Internet informs me it's a woman's tv show, don't know what to comment about it, don't care either.

Out of interest, could you tell me a few areas where woman are discriminated against men in Irish society today? I've given plenty of the opposite, I honestly would like to know.

To be fair, we can't talk about every country in the world at any point in time, lets discuss the reality of our lives (assuming your living in Ireland) and assuming you live in Ireland/the west/ what 'we' consider the norm. Islam ect. is a different topic realistically speaking.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 24-06-2012 12:51AM

srm23 wrote: »

Ireland(outside Dublin)...

Leprechauns, Shamrocks, Guinness, Horses running through council estates, toothless simpletons, people with eyebrows on their cheeks, badly tarmacked drives, men in platform shoes being arrested for bombings, lots of rocks and...... Beamish.

We may be all those things but we're a better class of citizen than you Jackeens. We're Daycent people down here boy.

The King of Moo · 24-06-2012 02:09AM

Fromthetrees wrote: »

I'm glad you have no problem with men complaining against genuine discrimination, should anyone have a problem with complaining about genuine discrimination though?

I don't know what 'Loose Woman' is.
Internet informs me it's a woman's tv show, don't know what to comment about it, don't care either.

Out of interest, could you tell me a few areas where woman are discriminated against men in Irish society today? I've given plenty of the opposite, I honestly would like to know.

To be fair, we can't talk about every country in the world at any point in time, lets discuss the reality of our lives (assuming your living in Ireland) and assuming you live in Ireland/the west/ what 'we' consider the norm. Islam ect. is a different topic realistically speaking.

Off the top of my head: lack of availability of abortion, suffering widespread domestic and sexual abuse to a greater extent than men, failure of police to take rape cases seriously and blame being partially apportioned to the victim in many and sympathy shown toward the attacker in some cases, sexual harrassment, verbal abuse; you know, the usual stuff.

I'm not going to go research further right now because it's late but also because that would be pointless.

We've both agreed that discrimination against anyone is terrible, so trying to determine which gender is more discriminated against would be a pretty stupid thing for us to do, wouldn't it?

The gender of the person doesn't matter: what they suffer matters. If we were to argue about which gender is more discriminated against, people would think we were petty individuals trying to score points in a "boys against the girls" match, and I don't want that.

Let's share the popular opinion that discrimination is wrong.

Fromthetrees · 24-06-2012 03:21AM

The King of Moo wrote: »

Off the top of my head: lack of availability of abortion, suffering widespread domestic and sexual abuse to a greater extent than men, failure of police to take rape cases seriously and blame being partially apportioned to the victim in many and sympathy shown toward the attacker in some cases, sexual harrassment, verbal abuse; you know, the usual stuff.

I'm not going to go research further right now because it's late but also because that would be pointless.

We've both agreed that discrimination against anyone is terrible, so trying to determine which gender is more discriminated against would be a pretty stupid thing for us to do, wouldn't it?

The gender of the person doesn't matter: what they suffer matters. If we were to argue about which gender is more discriminated against, people would think we were petty individuals trying to score points in a "boys against the girls" match, and I don't want that.

Let's share the popular opinion that discrimination is wrong.

Discrimination is wrong, we'll all agree on that but I don't believe going on is pointless, sorry if that sounds crap.

Abortion is still illegal in this country because of the Catholic Church, that will change when enough of the older people die off. The CC has caused enough pain for both genders, I think the area around unmarried fathers rights today is so poor because of the church, could be wrong, I don't know but that's what I see.

Some studies have suggested male on male rapes in prison are substantially more common in both per-capita and raw-number totals than male-female rapes in the general population, I know that's a horrible thing to bring up, but as a counter point in the context of the conversation I think it is apt.

I think the Guards are far more likely to take a case of female rape more seriously than male, would you disagree?

Sexual harassment laws in this country are extremely strong and robust and taken very seriously, I would not consider this institutionalised sexism/discrimination in anyway.

I think most people suffer verbal abuse both male and female.

I'll agree that both men and woman suffer from discrimination in Ireland today, I just feel most people don't accept that men are discriminated against far more from a legislative and social point of view and from what I've read over the last few years I can't see enough to the contrary.

DuPLeX · 24-06-2012 03:37AM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Im talking about those in the Iraq war. British and American. Fighting a stupid war believing the things their government is telling them and blindly following their instructions. I never mentioned WWII. That was a JUST war from the allies point of view which I have no problem with.

This may be an unpopular opinion but if it wasn't for soldiers.. well there wouldn't be any wars . and if it wasn't for their pay checks soldiers would all go back home to their families , They are basically people who kill other people for money.

DuPLeX · 24-06-2012 03:46AM

Fromthetrees wrote: »

Discrimination is wrong, we'll all agree on that but I don't believe going on is pointless, sorry if that sounds crap.

Why is discrimination wrong ? Is it not surely a human right ?

Abortion is still illegal in this country because of the Catholic Church, that will change when enough of the older people die off.

Abortion is killing unborn children which is wrong "we'll all agree on that" . and even if you don't believe its wrong , well its surely Discriminating against them (which is surely wrong) never mind your discrimination against older people and Catholics . I'm hoping you will get my point .

DEFTLEFTHAND · 24-06-2012 03:51AM

Ah yes the British Army's fodder patrol. Affectionately known as "Our Boys" by the red top rags. Innocent young fellows from disadvantaged back rounds in the most part. Thick chaps easily lead.

But they don't deserve to die for a meaningless cause! Oh sure ship the dead hero through Wootton Bassett in a Union flag draped coffin, what a hero he was. He wasn't a hero he was a lost child influenced by propaganda who got himself killed for nothing.

Go tell his parents he was a hero!! Go tell the fcucking parents why their son died..

bee_keeper · 24-06-2012 10:38AM

The King of Moo wrote: »

Off the top of my head: lack of availability of abortion, suffering widespread domestic and sexual abuse to a greater extent than men, failure of police to take rape cases seriously and blame being partially apportioned to the victim in many and sympathy shown toward the attacker in some cases, sexual harrassment, verbal abuse; you know, the usual stuff.

I'm not going to go research further right now because it's late but also because that would be pointless.

We've both agreed that discrimination against anyone is terrible, so trying to determine which gender is more discriminated against would be a pretty stupid thing for us to do, wouldn't it?

The gender of the person doesn't matter: what they suffer matters. If we were to argue about which gender is more discriminated against, people would think we were petty individuals trying to score points in a "boys against the girls" match, and I don't want that.

Let's share the popular opinion that discrimination is wrong.

you think men are more likely to dish out verbal abuse to women than vice versa ?

The King of Moo · 24-06-2012 10:43AM

bee_keeper wrote: »

you think men are more likely to dish out verbal abuse to women than vice versa ?

Yes.

bee_keeper · 24-06-2012 10:52AM

The King of Moo wrote: »

Yes.

that has not been my experience

The King of Moo · 24-06-2012 10:57AM

bee_keeper wrote: »

that has not been my experience

Are you just considering your own personal experience or accounts from both men and women about suffering verbal abuse?

I know (of) more women who've experienced verbal abuse from men than vice versa, enough for me to think there's a general trend, and I don't think I've ever been verbally abused by a woman.

fasttalkerchat · 24-06-2012 10:59AM

DuPLeX wrote: »

Abortion is killing unborn children which is wrong "we'll all agree on that" . and even if you don't believe its wrong , well its surely Discriminating against them (which is surely wrong) never mind your discrimination against older people and Catholics . I'm hoping you will get my point .

Its not a child. Discriminating against people is wrong!
Once you stop clouding the terms we can have a serious debate about this topic.

bee_keeper · 24-06-2012 11:01AM

The King of Moo wrote: »

Are you just considering your own personal experience or accounts from both men and women about suffering verbal abuse?

I know (of) more women who've experienced verbal abuse from men than vice versa, enough for me to think there's a general trend, and I don't think I've ever been verbally abused by a woman.

well im in my early thirties and i have an average amount of life experience , i dont work as a therapist so i dont hear an above average amount of stressfull storys , what more can i say other than thats been my experience

Nodin · 24-06-2012 01:19PM

I'm not "politically correct".

24-06-2012 01:40PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

bee_keeper wrote: »

that has not been my experience

Are you just considering your own personal experience or accounts from both men and women about suffering verbal abuse?

I know (of) more women who've experienced verbal abuse from men than vice versa, enough for me to think there's a general trend, and I don't think I've ever been verbally abused by a woman.

I take it you can post links to research which will back up your claim that more women than men are verbally abused.

kunst nugget · 24-06-2012 01:47PM

Nodin wrote: »

I'm not "politically correct".

I can see you doing the inverted commas sign with your fingers when you say that out loud.

The King of Moo · 24-06-2012 01:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I take it you can post links to research which will back up your claim that more women than men are verbally abused.

No, which is why I used the experiences of a large sample of people I've encountered, and my own experiences. I had a quick look for the sake of it, but it's not the kind of thing that's studied, and it's difficult to get accurate numbers for, except in cases where verbal abuse is accompanied by physical abuse.

Do you think more men are verbally abused by women? I won't ask you for statistics as I doubt there any to back that up. And more importantly, it's irrelevant. Abuse of any kind, against anyone, shouldn't be tolerated.

DuPLeX · 24-06-2012 01:57PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Its not a child. Discriminating against people is wrong!
Once you stop clouding the terms we can have a serious debate about this topic.

I actually clarified two terms which you are now seeking to re-cloud
Yes they are Children and as such are people (saying that they are not makes it easy to justify killing them)You can easily justify killing any living thing that way.
As for discrimination, everybody discriminates every day of their life It's not always right and not always wrong, but it is a necessary function of survival for both the individual and society as a whole.(The lack of discrimination of the citizens of troy regarding a wooden horse being an example that springs to mind)
Needlessly committing violence against or otherwise victimising people however is a whole different matter.

fasttalkerchat · 24-06-2012 02:02PM

DuPLeX wrote: »

I actually clarified two terms which you are now seeking to re-cloud
Yes they are Children and as such are people (saying that they are not makes it easy to justify killing them)You can easily justify killing any living thing that way.
As for discrimination, everybody discriminates every day of their life It's not always right and not always wrong, but it is a necessary function of survival for both the individual and society as a whole.(The lack of discrimination of the citizens of troy regarding a wooden horse being an example that springs to mind)
Now committing violence against or otherwise victimising people is a whole different matter.

If you order chicken in a restaurant and get a fried egg you would say the two are not the same

flutterflye · 24-06-2012 02:17PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

If you order chicken in a restaurant and get a fried egg you would say the two are not the same

Fried eggs haven't been fertilized though.
So not the same thing.
That show was on telly the other day - "An Idiot Abroad" and I don't know where he was, Asia somewhere, and there were people eating chicken fetuses - was gross - but anyway, that would be a better comparison.

bee_keeper · 24-06-2012 02:19PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

No, which is why I used the experiences of a large sample of people I've encountered, and my own experiences. I had a quick look for the sake of it, but it's not the kind of thing that's studied, and it's difficult to get accurate numbers for, except in cases where verbal abuse is accompanied by physical abuse.

Do you think more men are verbally abused by women? I won't ask you for statistics as I doubt there any to back that up. And more importantly, it's irrelevant. Abuse of any kind, against anyone, shouldn't be tolerated.

then you will accept that its really down to personal experience and not everyones will mirror your own

The King of Moo · 24-06-2012 02:25PM

bee_keeper wrote: »

then you will accept that its really down to personal experience and not everyones will mirror your own

No, because I'm not basing my opinion on my own personal experiences, but those of pretty much everyone I've known.

But yes, all the people I've known might be completely different from the average person, and I accept that in fact, men might be verbally abused more often than women in Ireland. I just find that unlikely, and I don't really know why people would continually try to suggest that one gender suffers more than the other.

bee_keeper · 24-06-2012 02:38PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

No, because I'm not basing my opinion on my own personal experiences, but those of pretty much everyone I've known.

But yes, all the people I've known might be completely different from the average person, and I accept that in fact, men might be verbally abused more often than women in Ireland. I just find that unlikely, and I don't really know why people would continually try to suggest that one gender suffers more than the other.

are you not the one suggesting that women suffer more than men when it comes to verbal abuse ?

The King of Moo · 24-06-2012 02:40PM

bee_keeper wrote: »

are you not the one suggesting that women suffer more than men when it comes to verbal abuse ?

For god's sake.

I'm done here, I'm not wasting any more of my time.

DuPLeX · 24-06-2012 05:57PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

If you order chicken in a restaurant and get a fried egg you would say the two are not the same

:Clearly you are defending something that you don't understand.
:eek:

DuPLeX · 24-06-2012 06:01PM

bee_keeper wrote: »

are you not the one suggesting that women suffer more than men when it comes to verbal abuse ?

That's the way I herd it .:P

hatrickpatrick · 24-06-2012 06:03PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

If you order chicken in a restaurant and get a fried egg you would say the two are not the same

This is literally the funniest remark I've ever seen on this entire website, congratulations

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