Clamped!

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

What ticket? Why would you stand there a few metres away watchign them go through the motions of clamping and say nothing Cos thats what I'm talkign about there.

Walk over and tell them you just pulled in and are gettign a ticket. If they say though, get in the car and drive off.

That's not always possible. And the pay machine is not always in sight of the car.

/M

Stark wrote: »

Good lord :rolleyes: There should be no need to have to watch your back while purchasing your ticket. I'm astounded you find the practice of clamping someone while watching them buy their ticket acceptable. An elderly person (who are often the targets of extortionists) just isn't going to be able to walk back, get in their car and drive off while trying to get past a thug who's bigger than them quickly enough.

Good lord indeed , I was responding to your posts that the machines are somehow hidden away a days camel ride from the parking spots.

Stark wrote: »

And if the guys clamping the car are physically stronger than me? .

Is there many cases where people have gone to get in their cars and been wrestled away?



Anyway, are we discussing the op and similar cases or extreme ones where the clampers arrive as you step out of the car? I havnt seen anyone defending that. No one denied you should be able to go get a ticket. Takign 20 minutes is takign the piss.

Is there many cases where the machine is more than a minute (2 mins walking is actuslly a fair distance) away?

Stark wrote: »

Which would not have happened if they were given a reasonable grace period.

There's a 15 minute grace period in Dún Laoghaire, which is many times longer than you need to get a ticket and actually covers most errands. The grace period should be enough to ensure that you can comfortably get a ticket, and it should be clearly signposted. What it does not need to cover is somebody arriving without coins and then wandering around for 20 minutes trying to find change.

Marlow wrote: »

Clamping. And the lack of law backing it up. Charging 90 EUR unclamping fee is a extortion and hence unscrupulous. Not having an independant appeals process is even more unscrupulous.

/M

Yeah yeah, we should have regulation. In the meantime, if you don't like the rules then don't park there. Especially not for 20 minutes without paying.

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Is there many cases where people have gone to get in their cars and been wrestled away?

If someone is in the process of clamping the car, I would need to be as strong or stronger than them to pull them away from the clamp. I'm still astounded that you consider it acceptable that they should continue doing so after you've shown them your ticket. Not even Anan1 is trying to justify that.

Anan1 wrote:

There's a 15 minute grace period in Dún Laoghaire, which is many times longer than you need to get a ticket and actually covers most errands. The grace period should be enough to ensure that you can comfortably get a ticket, and it should be clearly signposted.

As it should be.

Anan1 wrote:

What it does not need to cover is somebody arriving without coins and then wandering around for 20 minutes trying to find change.

Well without any grace period signed, how is the OP meant to know if it's 15 mins or 20 mins. If it was signed as 15 mins, he would have known to return to his car when he found himself running short on time. Since there are no rules covering how private clampers display and enforce this, it's impossible to respect them. Even if it was 5 minutes clearly signed, then the person parking would be able to obtain their ticket in that time safe in the knowledge that they weren't going to return ticket in hand to find a yellow boot.

https://maps.google.ie/maps?q=dublin+road,+naas&hl=en&ll=53.22099,-6.658459&spn=0.001457,0.003731&sll=53.344104,-6.267494&sspn=0.371809,0.955124&t=h&hnear=Dublin+Rd,+Naas,+County+Kildare&z=19&layer=c&cbll=53.22099,-6.658459&panoid=5dFZPb4QHl3xe1oa_IQe_g&cbp=12,132.44,,0,-4.3

Is that where we're talking about btw?

Stark wrote: »

Well without any grace period signed, how is the OP meant to know if it's 15 mins or 20 mins. If it was signed as 15 mins, he would have known to return to his car when he found himself running short on time.

If its not signed then there isnt one. Why would you just pick a time and assume it to be true?

I doubt theres a case that 5 mins wouldnt cover.

RUCKING FETARD wrote: »

7+ pages of extra Bull**** today (thanks Anan1) to add to the 10 or so before it that ruined the best Thread in over 6 months site wide.

Wonder would a Mod delete everything back to post 238 on pg16 except for post 337 and 338 on pg23 and lock the Thread?

And get one of the AH mods to add it to the Legendary Thread.

Delete it why? Because people dont like clampers and just want a free rant? Why not just have all threads one sided and ban reasoned debate?

Anan1 wrote: »

I think the point here is that the landowner has a right to set whatever rules they please, but that they have a duty to make any potential customers aware of these in advance. That way, you can make an informed decision on whether or not you want to do business with them.

Stark wrote: »

Well without any grace period signed, how is the OP meant to know if it's 15 mins or 20 mins. If it was signed as 15 mins, he would have known to return to his car when he found himself running short on time.

But you can only do that, if there is enough information. Like a clearly stated grace period, where the machines are, what payment methods they take etc. With lack of information the grace period needs to be extend.

Anan1 wrote: »

If you have no respect for the property rights of others.

If we go by your assumption, that the landowner gets no money from the clamping, then it makes no difference to the landowner if you declamp yourself or you pay the declamp fee. The op stated, he paid the ticket, so he's paid the landowner for the privilege to park there.

No disrespect to the landowner in that case.

/M

Marlow wrote: »

But you can only do that, if there is enough information. Like a clearly stated grace period, where the machines are, what payment methods they take etc. With lack of information the grace period needs to be extend.

Agreed, but common-sense will tell anyone that it's not 20 minutes.

Marlow wrote: »

If we go by your assumption, that the landowner gets no money from the clamping, then it makes no difference to the landowner if you declamp yourself or you pay the declamp fee. The op stated, he paid the ticket, so he's paid the landowner for the privilege to park there.

No disrespect to the landowner in that case.

/M

If the OP did pay then it made no difference to the landowner, the clampers were down the amount of time it took them to attach the clamp, and the boardsies were down the time it took them to get there, crawl under the OP's van, pull apart the suspension, remove the clamp, reassemble, go home and clean up. This is why I find the idea that the boardsies somehow won to be a bit ridiculous.

Anan1 wrote:

Agreed, but common-sense will tell anyone that it's not 20 minutes.

Telling someone they should figure out the rules using common sense just isn't good enough. Not when you're preparing to stick your hand in their pocket and take out €120 for not understanding them.

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I asked if people were wrestled away from their cars when tryign to get in and Marlow said yes they were. Yours is the first mention of the clampers standing in front of them.

It's quite easy to use bully tactics on a vulnerable person and get away with it. We're quite good at it in this country.

Stark wrote: »

Telling someone they should figure out the rules using common sense just isn't good enough. .

No one said figure out the rules themselves. If the sign doesnt say you have a 20 min grace period, then dont just go ahead and assume you do.

Marlow wrote: »

That's because you don't find it worthwhile. They however did. And so do the majority of the posters here.

/M

Thats because the majority are int he "rabble rabble, ****ing clampers " camp. How many car park owners are agreeing?

Sure people have been on giving out about clamping in their aparments or estates when they are the ones employing them through a management company. Ah ignorance, eh?


Anyway, just in case you missed it:

Marlow wrote: »

Or unclamp yourself until regulation is in place.

/M

and yet again, why bother paying for parking in the first place then? PArk where you want.

Dont worm out of it with talk of the OP, your being general now.