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  • #452
    jhegarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,441 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    Anan1 wrote: »
    We're all in favour of regulation, but the OP left their car for 20 minutes without a ticket. They therefore would presumably still have been clamped even by regulated clampers. The OP was clamped because they parked on private property without paying. This isn't standing up for the little guy, nor is it standing up to the big bad clampers. It's helping out the guy who took something without paying for it.

    If there was regulation then there would be a definite amount of time to pay.

    So the op would have know 15 minute enough , 16 too much. But as it stands they can clamp you in 10 second while you walk to the ticket machine 5 feet away.


  • #453
    BUBBLE WRAP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭BUBBLE WRAP


    Anan1 wrote: »
    We're all in favour of regulation, but the OP left their car for 20 minutes without a ticket. They therefore would presumably still have been clamped even by regulated clampers. The OP was clamped because they parked on private property without paying. This isn't standing up for the little guy, nor is it standing up to the big bad clampers. It's helping out the guy who took something without paying for it.

    The OP was clamped by them cowboys, not by the council. I.E. Illegal. People helped out the op. It was good of them, the gards were there, they got off the clamp. End off story. So why do you feel you must continue on with this?


  • #454
    Gary ITR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,801 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    I look at it as the punishment not fitting the crime


  • #455
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    jhegarty wrote: »
    If there was regulation then there would be a definite amount of time to pay.

    So the op would have know 15 minute enough , 16 too much. .

    Why would or should there be a 15 minute window where you can park for free while "looking for change"? Theres plenty of options, but when I said it earlier int he thread it was ignored. Is there no garage in or around Naas where change could be gotten?

    jhegarty wrote: »
    But as it stands they can clamp you in 10 second while you walk to the ticket machine 5 feet away.

    Has that ever happened to anyone? would you just stand there, 5 feet from the car watching them pull up, get out, check for the ticket, go to the van, get the clamp and go through the process of putting it on. Exaggerating doesnt make you more right by the way.

    The end of the day, the OP knew a ticket was needed and that the car was liable to be clamped but just like all the people sticking their car on double yellows that people like to give out about "sure I'll only be a few mins.

    Would you be happy to leave me be if I used your driveway as my own park and ride spot for work, or would you want something done? I dont see why a private car park is fair game but your private driveway isnt.Nothing is forcign people to use anyone elses land, the least they can do when they choose to is obey the rules.


  • #456
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    jhegarty wrote: »
    If there was regulation then there would be a definite amount of time to pay.

    So the op would have know 15 minute enough , 16 too much. But as it stands they can clamp you in 10 second while you walk to the ticket machine 5 feet away.
    Agreed about regulation, and if it were a couple of minutes i'd see your point. But 20 minutes? Come on.


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  • #457
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,678 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Agreed about regulation, and if it were a couple of minutes i'd see your point. But 20 minutes? Come on.
    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    Do not post further in this thread.
    .


  • #458
    Yawns
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭Yawns


    Ah lads leave it out. You're ruining a great thread at this stage.


  • #459
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    The end of the day, the OP knew a ticket was needed and that the car was liable to be clamped but just like all the people sticking their car on double yellows that people like to give out about "sure I'll only be a few mins.

    The OP actually bought a ticket, it just took him quite some time to get change and get a ticket and he was clamped by then. Please read the full thread.

    The issue at hand is, that clamping on private land is considered blackmail in the UK and other places and there is no regulation in Ireland on the issue. As long no damage is done to the clamp, removing it is perfectly legal.

    The clampers only survive due to their bullying tactics and by trying to avoid letting it go to court, where a ruling could destroy their entire money making racket.

    The laws that actually tell you they are wrong have been posted in this thread.

    /M


  • #460
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Marlow wrote: »
    The OP actually bought a ticket, it just took him quite some time to get change and get a ticket and he was clamped by then. Please read the full thread.


    /M

    Which is it? He bought a ticket or by the time he came back from getting change it was clamped? Buying a ticket after the car is clamped would be pointless.

    I dont see how it makes a difference what he was doing for the 20 mins. Sure everyone that only has to do somethign for 20 mins could say they were off getting change. How do the clampers know he was getting a ticket and not just saying "**** it, I'll park where I like and not pay"?

    Why not answer the rest of my post? Why use someone elses land if your not willing to obey their rules? Do you expect guests in your house to behave how they like or the way you want them too?
    g
    Yawns wrote: »
    Ah lads leave it out. You're ruining a great thread at this stage.

    Maybe it should be in the thread title that only opinions supporting the OP are allowed. :rolleyes:


  • #461
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Agreed about regulation, and if it were a couple of minutes i'd see your point. But 20 minutes? Come on.

    This has been discussed before. Yes, even if you have change and the machines nearby are bust and you have to cue, it can take some considerable time.

    Parking places and garages, that have a grace time, usually allow for 30 minutes free parking. And that's a common measure. Clampers on the other hand often try to get away with clamping before the ticket expires.

    How big a problem this is, can be seen that the local businesses in for example Blackrock have initied the "Parking Angels" initiative. They loose business because of the clampers. So bad, that they are starting alternatives like that to regain business.

    /M


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  • #462
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Which is it? He bought a ticket or by the time he came back from getting change it was clamped? Buying a ticket after the car is clamped would be pointless.

    Why would he have bought a ticket, if he knew, he was clamped.

    He went for change, then bought the ticket, which took 20 minutes. By the time he got back from doing that, his car was clamped. By the signs of it only a minute or two before.

    READ THE WHOLE THREAD !! It's all there.

    /M


  • #463
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Marlow wrote: »
    Why would he have bought a ticket, if he knew, he was clamped.

    He went for change, then bought the ticket, which took 20 minutes. By the time he got back from doing that, his car was clamped. By the signs of it only a minute or two before.

    READ THE WHOLE THREAD !! It's all there.

    /M
    Marlow wrote: »
    The OP actually bought a ticket,
    /M



    Your telling me to READ THE WHOLE THREAD while contradicting yourself. He didnt buy a ticket. He parked for 20 mins and came back to a clamped car.

    At the end of the day he's a guy on the internet, you dotn know if he had any intention of buying a ticket at all anymore than I do.


  • #464
    BUBBLE WRAP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭BUBBLE WRAP


    @marlow

    Dont feed the trolls.


  • #465
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Marlow wrote: »
    How big a problem this is, can be seen that the local businesses in for example Blackrock have initied the "Parking Angels" initiative. They loose business because of the clampers. So bad, that they are starting alternatives like that to regain business.

    /M

    And they know full well that free parking would lose them business too because Blackrock would be a park and ride for town.

    Having pay parking with no enfocement is pointless. After a few days/weeks of people realising theres no consequences to not bothering paying for parking and Blackrock is then a car park from mornign to evening.


  • #466
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Your telling me to READ THE WHOLE THREAD while contradicting yourself. He didnt buy a ticket. He parked for 20 mins and came back to a clamped car.

    At the end of the day he's a guy on the internet, you dotn know if he had any intention of buying a ticket at all anymore than I do.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79292952&postcount=11

    As he states, he went back (from getting change) to buy the ticket as soon as he could. Then found his car clamped. Yes, he has a ticket. That's also been stated several times later in the thread.

    Clearly you ignored reading the thread. Essentially you're trolling.

    /M


  • #467
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »
    @marlow

    Dont feed the trolls.

    You forgot to use high horse too :rolleyes:

    People not sharing your opinion isnt trolling.


  • #468
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    And they know full well that free parking would lose them business too because Blackrock would be a park and ride for town.

    Having pay parking with no enfocement is pointless. After a few days/weeks of people realising theres no consequences to not bothering paying for parking and Blackrock is then a car park from mornign to evening.

    There is no problem with pay parking. Not even for the OP. There is a problem with clampers and the lack of grace time to get a ticket and their attitude.

    If there is an issue with park and ride parking, then this should be attended to by the council by providing adequate space for this. But that's an entire different issue.

    /M


  • #469
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    And whatever the argument for clampers, it's hard to argue the release fees. About €20 is about the most they should be allowed charge. €120 is taking the piss


  • #470
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Marlow wrote: »
    There is no problem with pay parking. Not even for the OP. There is a problem with clampers and the lack of grace time to get a ticket and their attitude.

    If there is an issue with park and ride parking, then this should be attended to by the council by providing adequate space for this. But that's an entire different issue.

    /M

    Even the most avid anti clamper has to admit 20 mins is over the top for gace time to get a ticket. Sit there and count out 20 minutes, it's actually quite a long time.

    Using Blackrock as the example. it's not designed as a park and ride and no one intends it to be but the way these things work is that people try to get a close to work as possible for free parking and abandon their cars. St Vincents hospital is not far from Blackrock, the staff from there alone could fill Blackrocks on strret parking. Half of town would be trying to park there if there wasnt enforcement. I cant see many people wanting a massive multi storey car park thrown up in the middle of Blackrock, can you?


  • #471
    Yawns
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭Yawns


    You don't seem to want to go back and read it so let me refresh it for you Guy:Incognito.

    The OP parked and went to the bank to get money, to pay for parking and I presume to buy something. He had not got enough money in his account to use an ATM. He had to go to the teller. He came straight back to buy a ticket, went to his car and saw he was clamped.

    I was saying leave it out in regards to some people dragging stuff up about Anan1. I think this thread was finished with several pages back. It went from the OP asking about removing a clamp, to people helping remove it with no damage, then to legalities of clamping, comparing other countries and now it seems park n ride towns and so forth.

    Please lock it mods before a bitch fest begins :D


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  • #472
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,541 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    All the banks are on the other end of town though in south main street, the op parked on the Dublin road.

    Hmmmmmm...


  • #473
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Yawns wrote: »

    The OP parked and went to the bank to get money, to pay for parking and I presume to buy something. He had not got enough money in his account to use an ATM. He had to go to the teller. He came straight back to buy a ticket, went to his car and saw he was clamped.
    :D

    You forgot to mention that it was there 20 mins. How do the clampers know where he is or why? Depending on how often they pass by it could be there for an hour for all they know. If they sit there and ask everyone why they left the car without a ticket before doing anything, no one would pay for parking.

    It's someones land. They want pay parking for people that use it and want to enforce the rules on the land they own. Thats fair enough imo.


  • #474
    cackhanded
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭cackhanded


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Why not answer the rest of my post? Why use someone elses land if your not willing to obey their rules? Do you expect guests in your house to behave how they like or the way you want them too?

    If a guest in my house does not obey my rules I ask them to leave. I do not chain them up, secure them to the floor and demand a release fee. Putting a sign up outside my door informing all guests of my intention to do so, should they not obey my rules, would not make it legal either.


  • #475
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    cackhanded wrote: »
    If a guest in my house does not obey my rules I ask them to leave. I do not chain them up, secure them to the floor and demand a release fee. Putting a sign up outside my door informing all guests of my intention to do so, should they not obey my rules, would not make it legal either.

    and if they tell you to **** off cos youve no right to touch them and they'll sit there drinking their cans till theyre good and ready to leave?
    I was using that scenario from a common decency point of view with regard using someone elses land.

    We'll use like for like then. What would you do if I use your driveway to park in everyday because I work nearby?


  • #476
    BUBBLE WRAP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭BUBBLE WRAP


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    You forgot to use high horse too :rolleyes:

    People not sharing your opinion isnt trolling.

    My post wasnt directed at you.


  • #477
    cackhanded
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭cackhanded


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    and if they tell you to **** off cos youve no right to touch them and they'll sit there drinking their cans till theyre good and ready to leave?
    I was using that scenario from a common decency point of view with regard using someone elses land.

    We'll use like for like then. What would you do if I use your driveway to park in everyday because I work nearby?

    I would call the guards. I was following your analagy in order to show you the shaky legal ground the clampers are operating in.


  • #478
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    cackhanded wrote: »
    I would call the guards. I was following your analagy in order to show you the shaky legal ground the clampers are operating in.

    Would the gards turn up if the shop rings them and says some guy parked in their car park half an hour ago and they want the car towed?


  • #479
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    All the banks are on the other end of town though in south main street, the op parked on the Dublin road.

    Hmmmmmm...

    Again. Assumption is the mother of all f*ckups. Is there an ATM nearby the carpark ? Which turns out he couldn't use.

    Would you now move the car to a carpark near the bank to get change or just walk down to the other end where the banks are ? I would walk.

    Also, those parking machines don't take debit/credit cards. If they did, this was no problem and a ticket could be sourced in a timely manner. Assuming the machine works.

    I already stated, I think the 30 minute grace period is more than reasonable. The op was back in 20 minutes.

    In Denmark for example it's often an hour. The clampers record, that the car is there, when they first see it. If it's still without ticket and in the same place after an hour, they clamp. No bad blood in such a case.

    /M


  • #480
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,541 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    I'd be driving, it's a fair walk up to the banks and back.

    I was under the impression that the op just wanted to withdraw money. There's an ATM at maxol there, they also do cashback - and one across the road beside Ryan's. If there was not enough money in my account to withdraw, I'd be driving up to the bank or just using laser.

    Although at half six in the evening, I wouldn't expect the bank to be open.


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  • #481
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Marlow wrote: »

    Would you now move the car to a carpark near the bank to get change or just walk down to the other end where the banks are ? I would walk.

    I'd move it because I know full well theres clamping in the area and they dotn give 20 mins grace time.


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