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  • #362
    TheZ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭TheZ


    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2001/en/act/pub/0050/sec0004.html#sec4

    Would love to see a strong argument made that clamping is theft. Make a complaint to Gardai.
    If inadequate signs then chances improve

    Scottish law Clamping on private land has been held to be theft.


  • #363
    Knex*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    God Father wrote: »
    Don't start me man. Drove a 97 clapped out corsa for 2 years.

    I was in first year in UCC this year and travelled up every friday to work in a hotel in Dublin. That involved being up at 5am and travelling into the city centre working about a 10/11 hour shift on my feet as a waiter/stillroom attendant for minimum wage doing the same the next day before travelling back down sunday night to college exhausted with a week of college ahead of me.

    I have a student loan I pay myself, pay my own tax, insurance, petrol, food etc.

    I have had to hand over most of the money I ever had due to my families circumstances when my dad left.

    My mam was in a position this year to reimburse me and I was able to get the car.

    so please take your judgement elsewhere!

    It is my pride and joy that car.

    I feel your pain OP. Got clamped when doing an exam last summer in UCC. Had been in a rush and got mixed up with the times. Meant to tick ten to twelve and instead ticked 12.50 on the ticket.

    Got back just as the cnut was finished clamping. Honestly couldn't figure out why he clamped me, Jesus did he get abuse. When I realised what I'd done I felt like a right Muppet though.

    Still, I was back within the two hours since I parked the car, plus there were cameras there that showed I didn't park for more than two hours.
    They still wouldn't let me off though. :mad:

    Edit: Absolutely loved reading the rest of the thread. Great work :D


  • #364
    Morpheus
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 2,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Morpheus


    And post of the year goes to.......

    Well done lads, been clamped in swords behind Eddie rockets before because two nearest machines weren't working and the f*ckers clamped me before I got back.from the next one!
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  • #365
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    Anyone hear the story on Joe Duffy about clampers about 2-3 years ago? Somewhere in south dublin and you had to pay for the hour. Thing was, it was €2.20 per hour and the machine would only take €2 coins. That was the first scam.
    It was famous in the area for the van waiting around the corner, numerous people were clamped within 5 minutes of getting change. That was the second scam.

    It was so bad that no one local were going to the shops anymore because the clamping was so bad.


  • #366
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,193 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Thankfully they booted out the clampers earlier this year in Cork City after they were causing so much grief for people and driving people away from the city centre and into suburban shopping centres. Good riddance.


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  • #367
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    Jimbob 83 wrote: »
    Nice outlook on life there :rolleyes:

    Spot on. Why help anyone if you're not going to gain from it :confused:


  • #368
    Gary ITR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,801 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    I was telling the guys in work about this, they got such a laugh out of it. Really makes me want to do something with the one we have here


  • #369
    KamiKazi
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,195 ✭✭✭KamiKazi


    must be killing Anan1 not being allowed post in here :)


  • #370
    delly
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭delly


    To the people who say the 'fixers' got no return, there is plenty of positive karma on their side now, and a pint or two on credit.


  • #371
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    delly wrote: »
    To the people who say the 'fixers' got no return, there is plenty of positive karma on their side now, and a pint or two on credit.

    Exactly. When I'm on the motorbike I always stop for other bikers to see if they need help. Of course you're not going to get anything out of it, you do it to help people. The idea that someone "got one over on you" because you volunteered to help is baffling.

    But back to the OP, kildare.17hmr, you should hang around naas and help hot women unclamp their cars. If porno movies have thought me anything, you're guaranteed at least 3 rides a day.


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  • #372
    Monkeybudgie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 ✭Monkeybudgie


    I have been clamped in Ballinteer by the same crowd. I have no intention of paying, however I don't have the expertise to remove the clamp as shown in this thread. should I try and rent an angle grinder or bolt cutters? Does anyone know somewhere nearby that would rent me them?


  • #373
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,621 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Lads, Forgive the irgornace here. But I just need something cleared up.

    So you park your car and it has clamping in operation in the area. As its an area designated for enforced paid parking, do you agree to paying the price by parking in the space or whats the story?

    Also, with removing the clamp. I was clamped in my underground carpark for not displaying my parking tag clear enough. They took a picture of my car and and took down my reg. I figured that by removing the clamp they would still have enough evidence to prosecute you for parking there and try and claim the fine off you anyway.
    How did you guys avoid this?

    What am i missing? Im not being condescending im actually really curious about all these legal loopholes with clamping.


  • #374
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,193 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Council clampers: backed up by law.
    Private clampers: organised thugs who'll extort money off you through bullying threatening tactics but don't have any law to back them up.

    In your underground car park case, they can't prosecute you. The fee you pay them is a "removal fee". If you can remove it yourself without damaging the clamp then you haven't broken any laws and don't owe them any money.


  • #375
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,621 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Stark wrote: »
    In your underground car park case, they can't prosecute you. The fee you pay them is a "removal fee". If you can remove it yourself without damaging the clamp then you haven't broken any laws and don't owe them any money.


    That clears a hell of a lot up :)


  • #376
    Yawns
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭Yawns


    Monkeybudgie wrote: »
    I have been clamped in Ballinteer by the same crowd. I have no intention of paying, however I don't have the expertise to remove the clamp as shown in this thread. should I try and rent an angle grinder or bolt cutters? Does anyone know somewhere nearby that would rent me them?

    Just a FYI that company were watching this thread as it was happening and could well be monitoring it still. I would urge you not to remove it by damaging it if possible. You would need someone who knows what they are doing to remove it.


  • #377
    Theboinkmaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,063 ✭✭✭Theboinkmaster


    Monkeybudgie wrote: »
    I have been clamped in Ballinteer by the same crowd. I have no intention of paying, however I don't have the expertise to remove the clamp as shown in this thread. should I try and rent an angle grinder or bolt cutters? Does anyone know somewhere nearby that would rent me them?

    There's a rental place on Nutgrove Avenue.


  • #378
    Yawns
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭Yawns


    Vicxas as Stark said, they have no law behind them. It's a fee for removal of the clamp. If you can remove it without damaging it, then you can hand it back to them and drive away. If you damage it or keep it, then it is a criminal offence and guards can be called and usually are.

    For anyone not handy with removing the wheel there is another option. If you don't need the car for a week or so you can leave it sitting there and they will eventually take it off when it becomes clear they are not going to get paid. They may try to hold out for longer but if you genuinely don't need the car, then you have nothing to lose by trying it. Worked for a few people.


  • #379
    Davidth88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭Davidth88


    Looking at the pictures of the clamp , the padlock looks minor enough .

    Could you not just snip the padlock, then replace it ?


    After all a padlock cannot cost as much as the stupid amounts they try to extort from you .


  • #380
    kildare.17hmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭kildare.17hmr


    Davidth88 wrote: »
    Looking at the pictures of the clamp , the padlock looks minor enough .

    Could you not just snip the padlock, then replace it ?


    After all a padlock cannot cost as much as the stupid amounts they try to extort from you .
    I suppose you could but you leave yourself open to criminal damage so i wouldnt risk it especially when its simple enough to get them off anyway. Padlocks can be very pricey for good ones, over €100 for some iv seen


  • #381
    Pawwed Rig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,451 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Yawns wrote: »
    they have no law behind them. It's a fee for removal of the clamp.

    So by that rationale the guys of this thread could set up a company and charge (say) €50 for removal of clamps and they would have a legitimate business?

    Are the likes of NCP not licensed for their activities?

    search - google - locksmith - courses :D


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  • #382
    Davidth88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭Davidth88


    kildare.17hmr wrote: »
    I suppose you could but you leave yourself open to criminal damage so i wouldnt risk it especially when its simple enough to get them off anyway. Padlocks can be very pricey for good ones, over €100 for some iv seen

    Fair enough ........ Never seen one that price , but TBH I have never looked :)

    I hate clampers ever since I saw one clamping a car where a woman was breast feeding her child.

    ( The clamper got attacked by other people , that was in England , the police were called and basically told the clamper it was his own fault and ordered him to take the clamp off. )


  • #383
    kildare.17hmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭kildare.17hmr


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    Yawns wrote: »
    they have no law behind them. It's a fee for removal of the clamp.

    So by that rationale the guys of this thread could set up a company and charge (say) €50 for removal of clamps and they would have a legitimate business?

    Are the likes of NCP not licensed for their activities?

    search - google - locksmith - courses :D
    If i didnt have a job it might be an option alright but i have so i wouldnt take money off someone if i could help with something that costs me nothing be it a lift or moving house ect. My free time is just that, free


  • #384
    Yawns
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭Yawns


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    So by that rationale the guys of this thread could set up a company and charge (say) €50 for removal of clamps and they would have a legitimate business?

    This was brought up with the guards at the time actually. We told them if we had permission from the landowner we could put up signs, clamp people and charge them a release fee. It could be done without a licence but you would have to declare it to revenue etc I would imagine.

    These lads know what they are doing. They are fully compliant with vat, revenue and insurance etc I would bet on it. They are not acting against the law, but neither do they have the law on their side. They rely on people not knowing this. If you can remove it without damaging it, they have no case against you. Civil or criminal.


  • #385
    brian plank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭brian plank


    kildare.17hmr wrote: »
    I suppose you could but you leave yourself open to criminal damage so i wouldnt risk it especially when its simple enough to get them off anyway. Padlocks can be very pricey for good ones, over €100 for some iv seen

    is that only if they see you cutting it off? i seen this video yesterday and he just cuts the lock and returns the clamp.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLFqy8OqMRw


  • #386
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,193 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    It's worth reading what the Law Society has to say about private clampers:
    http://www.lawsociety.ie/Documents/Gazette/Gazette%202011/march2011.pdf

    In their opinion, the clampers are acting outside the law.


  • #387
    kildare.17hmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭kildare.17hmr


    brian plank wrote: »
    kildare.17hmr wrote: »
    I suppose you could but you leave yourself open to criminal damage so i wouldnt risk it especially when its simple enough to get them off anyway. Padlocks can be very pricey for good ones, over €100 for some iv seen

    is that only if they see you cutting it off? i seen this video yesterday and he just cuts the lock and returns the clamp.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLFqy8OqMRw
    Dunno man but i suppose its up to them to prove you did it. But take the other night for example if the chain had been cut off and the guards sew it they could have arrested people but they were showen the clamp and were happy it was all ok so there was no problem


  • #388
    kildare.17hmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭kildare.17hmr


    On my phone here so cant imbed this video so if a mod fancies doing it for me that would be sound!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxFyY9sAeaI


  • #389
    Pawwed Rig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,451 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    kildare.17hmr wrote: »
    If i didnt have a job it might be an option alright but i have so i wouldnt take money off someone if i could help with something that costs me nothing be it a lift or moving house ect. My free time is just that, free

    yeah I realise that. Fair play to yez. I lived in Naas for a long time and will probably live there again. Good to know what we can and can't do with these guys


  • #390
    westendgirlie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭westendgirlie


    Lads, you are legends!!!!

    Directed to this thread from AH and if ever there was a thread that you know you will always remember.....this is the one :)

    I think you all deserve a beer so, let me know a pub that you can all meet in. I'll call the pub and happily pay for a round for you all.


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  • #391
    the groutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    all we need is one proper test case to set a precedence.
    problem is everyone is probably afraid of becoming a hate figure if they lose and give legal standing to private clampers.


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