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***Grant Regulations for Masters Students from 2012/2013 onward***

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  • Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭✭✭ spunkbass


    CommanderC wrote: »
    This page is now available on the studentfinance.ie

    http://www.studentfinance.ie/mp9543/postgraduate-students/index.html

    Students entering new postgraduate courses from the 2012/13 academic year onwards will not be entitled to any maintenance payment under the Student Grant Scheme 2012.


    I think they should have worded this differently. Its not just the maintenance payment that applicants are no longer entitled to, its fees as well............except in circumstances where you meet the special rate or the PFC of €2,000.

    They have made it sound like the maintenance part is gone but fees are still a possibility

    That's just my opinion though :/

    That is very true. I based my decision to apply for postgrad (and pay the deposit for it) based on this information.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 36 ✭✭✭ 1630


    spunkbass wrote: »
    CommanderC wrote: »
    This page is now available on the studentfinance.ie

    http://www.studentfinance.ie/mp9543/postgraduate-students/index.html

    Students entering new postgraduate courses from the 2012/13 academic year onwards will not be entitled to any maintenance payment under the Student Grant Scheme 2012.


    I think they should have worded this differently. Its not just the maintenance payment that applicants are no longer entitled to, its fees as well............except in circumstances where you meet the special rate or the PFC of €2,000.

    They have made it sound like the maintenance part is gone but fees are still a possibility

    That's just my opinion though :/

    That is very true. I based my decision to apply for postgrad (and pay the deposit for it) based on this information.


    Joke of a system alright, is there registeration fees on this top of this?or is it just the course fees that need to be paid?

    Tax relief can be claimed back on the fees though yes?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 longhalloween


    Can you get a grant if applying for a second level 8 course?

    EDIT: Read the documentation regarding a 3 year wait between courses.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,479 ✭✭✭✭ Annasopra


    CommanderC wrote: »
    This page is now available on the studentfinance.ie

    http://www.studentfinance.ie/mp9543/postgraduate-students/index.html

    Students entering new postgraduate courses from the 2012/13 academic year onwards will not be entitled to any maintenance payment under the Student Grant Scheme 2012.


    I think they should have worded this differently. Its not just the maintenance payment that applicants are no longer entitled to, its fees as well............except in circumstances where you meet the special rate or the PFC of €2,000.

    They have made it sound like the maintenance part is gone but fees are still a possibility

    That's just my opinion though :/

    This paragraph explains it a bit better
    (11) Notwithstanding paragraph (9), a student or tuition student may be eligible for a fee grant if he or she is pursuing a postgraduate course and the applicant’s reckonable income meets the qualifying conditions for the Special Rate as specified in Schedule 1 and Schedule 2.

    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭✭ lauras91


    Wow, could they have made things more unclear and confusing?
    Just to put my own mind at ease, I'm pretty sure I qualify for the special rate (my dad is on social welfare, both our incomes combined are below 20,000 for 2011, mam doesn't work). So, I should get ALL fees paid for my masters?
    I should probably just ring SUSI and ask, but they don't seem to be clearing things up!
    Really need to know this before I pay €200 to accept the course!
    Thanks!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭✭✭ spunkbass


    lauras91 wrote: »
    Wow, could they have made things more unclear and confusing?
    Just to put my own mind at ease, I'm pretty sure I qualify for the special rate (my dad is on social welfare, both our incomes combined are below 20,000 for 2011, mam doesn't work). So, I should get ALL fees paid for my masters?
    I should probably just ring SUSI and ask, but they don't seem to be clearing things up!
    Really need to know this before I pay €200 to accept the course!
    Thanks!

    You should be sorted. You can accept the course. Always good to ask SUSI first tho.


  • Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭✭ lauras91


    Fingers crossed anyway, big difference between 2000 euro and all the fees (5,500 euro!). Rang SUSI and they seem to only have the same info that I can see on websites etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭✭✭ SAMMY6269


    Hi guys,
    This may be a bit off topic but im hoping to start a Masters in septembe. I think I qualify for the special rate fees grant but i will still be really struggling financially if i accept the course.
    Im just wondering if anyone knows any place i can apply for financial assistance for the course?
    Id be heart broken to turn it down as ive been trying to get onto the course for the last three years since graduating!
    Any ideas would be a great help!


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,479 ✭✭✭✭ Annasopra


    SAMMY6269 wrote: »
    Hi guys,
    This may be a bit off topic but im hoping to start a Masters in septembe. I think I qualify for the special rate fees grant but i will still be really struggling financially if i accept the course.
    Im just wondering if anyone knows any place i can apply for financial assistance for the course?
    Id be heart broken to turn it down as ive been trying to get onto the course for the last three years since graduating!
    Any ideas would be a great help!

    The vincent de paul
    The student assistance fund
    Tax relief on any part of the fees over 6000 (can be claimed by a friend or family member)

    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,975 iMuse


    If I receive the 2000 grant, will I have to pay the student reg fee? Thanks.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭✭✭ spunkbass


    i think the reg fee for postgrads is included in the tuition fee. correct me if im wrong


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,479 ✭✭✭✭ Annasopra


    spunkbass wrote: »
    i think the reg fee for postgrads is included in the tuition fee. correct me if im wrong

    Some colleges list it separately but basically yes you would have to pay it.

    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,975 iMuse


    Some colleges list it separately but basically yes you would have to pay it.

    Well it looks like no masters for me, could barely afford it without the extra 2250 :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,479 ✭✭✭✭ Annasopra


    iMuse wrote: »
    Well it looks like no masters for me, could barely afford it without the extra 2250 :(

    What college are you going to?

    DIT list their fees separately so an example might be 5000 + 2250 = 7750

    UCD on the otherhand list fees aggregated so they would have fees for 7750.

    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 619 mosi


    What is the situation regarding whether a student can be considered dependent or independent when progressing to a Masters.
    In 2007, I started an undergrad course, as a mature student. I was considered to be a dependent mature student as I had been living with my parents prior to the course. This course did not work out, and I left after one month so as not to be liable for fees when doing a different course.
    I moved out to do this first course, and have not lived with my parents since. I commenced another degree in September of that year (which I successfully completed last year). When I went to apply for the grant I was told that I would be considered a dependent still as I had been living with my parents prior to commencing the first course.
    I hope to start a Masters this September. I have been living independently of my parents since 2007, but someone said to me I would probably still be considered a dependent. I can't work it out from the documentation available. As an independent student, I would qualify for the special rate. Any one know how this works?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭✭ pinkdiamond


    I'm moving to manchester to work so that I can pay the €7,500 master's fees myself.

    Lucky you who are getting government assistance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,479 ✭✭✭✭ Annasopra


    mosi wrote: »
    What is the situation regarding whether a student can be considered dependent or independent when progressing to a Masters.
    In 2007, I started an undergrad course, as a mature student. I was considered to be a dependent mature student as I had been living with my parents prior to the course. This course did not work out, and I left after one month so as not to be liable for fees when doing a different course.
    I moved out to do this first course, and have not lived with my parents since. I commenced another degree in September of that year (which I successfully completed last year). When I went to apply for the grant I was told that I would be considered a dependent still as I had been living with my parents prior to commencing the first course.
    I hope to start a Masters this September. I have been living independently of my parents since 2007, but someone said to me I would probably still be considered a dependent. I can't work it out from the documentation available. As an independent student, I would qualify for the special rate. Any one know how this works?


    Did you get free fees with course 2?

    Basically the rule being applied here is determination of your "class"
    Classes of applicant
    13. (1) For the purposes of this Scheme there shall be two classes of applicant
    as follows—
    (a) independent student; and
    (b) dependent student.

    (2) An applicant’s class is defined at their first point of entry to an approved
    post leaving certificate course or an approved higher education course or at
    their point of re-entry to such an approved course
    and will continue to apply
    for the duration of their studies.
    (3) In this scheme an “independent student” means a mature student who did
    not ordinarily reside with his or her parents, or either of them, from 1 October
    of the year before the first point of entry to an approved post leaving certificate
    course or an approved higher education course or re-entry to an approved
    course.
    (4) “Mature student” means a student who on 1 January—
    (a) in the year of entry for the first time to an approved post leaving
    certificate course;
    (b) in the year of entry for the first time to an approved higher education
    course (other than a course known for the time being as a post leaving
    certificate course); or
    (c) in the year of re-entry to an approved course,
    is at least 23 years old.
    (5) “Re-entry”, for the purposes of this Scheme, means a mature student
    entering an approved course following a break in studies of at least three years,
    having previously attended an approved course.

    Basically when you enter third level you are given a class - with most people this is dependent

    If you are progressing through levels you can't change this "class" at the point of "re-entry" unless there has been a 3 year break.

    I think that whoever told you this is probably correct but I think it could also be argued that because in fact you did not complete year 1 of course 1 that this was not the point of entry.

    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 619 mosi


    Did you get free fees with course 2?

    Basically the rule being applied here is determination of your "class"

    Yes I got free fees with the second course
    Basically when you enter third level you are given a class - with most people this is dependent

    If you are progressing through levels you can't change this "class" at the point of "re-entry" unless there has been a 3 year break.

    I think that whoever told you this is probably correct but I think it could also be argued that because in fact you did not complete year 1 of course 1 that this was not the point of entry.

    That's the bit that gets me...it's as though I was considered at first point of entry for free fees, but not for grant purposes. I guess I'll make a few more enquiries and throw in an application...the worst they can do is say no


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 JohnMc1


    I just got an unofficial offering from DIT that they are accepting me for the Fall. I am currently enrolled in the Tus program but I will more than likely be leaving that and returning to JSA and then possibly onto BTEA. Are there any grants that I will be eligible for?


  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭✭ uniqueusername


    Sooo... all very confusing!

    Im just finishing my masters, and was going to do my phD, but from the sounds of it, I wont get anything for my fees, because I have a post graduate already?

    Glad that its done online, but its still confusing!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,479 ✭✭✭✭ Annasopra


    Sooo... all very confusing!

    Im just finishing my masters, and was going to do my phD, but from the sounds of it, I wont get anything for my fees, because I have a post graduate already?

    Glad that its done online, but its still confusing!

    You can get a fee grant towards a phd

    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 longhalloween


    (5) “Re-entry”, for the purposes of this Scheme, means a mature student
    entering an approved course following a break in studies of at least three years,
    having previously attended an approved course.

    I have a question about this. If I finished a course in 2009 (3 years ago) and I'm in 2nd year of a course now, am I eligible for a grant this year, since the 3 years has elapsed, or because I only took a 2 year break between courses am I not eligible?


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,479 ✭✭✭✭ Annasopra


    I have a question about this. If I finished a course in 2009 (3 years ago) and I'm in 2nd year of a course now, am I eligible for a grant this year, since the 3 years has elapsed, or because I only took a 2 year break between courses am I not eligible?

    You probably wouldn't be eligible but maybe ring contact SUSI support and confirm

    SUSI SUPPORT DESK



    Available 9.00am - 10.00 Mon/Fri
    Available 9.00am - 6.00pm Saturdays
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    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭ Viva La Gloria


    The student/mature student dependent on parents is confusing me. I'm 24 so I would have assumed that I'm classed as a mature student because I'm now progressing into a new course (postgrad)? But what is this thing about re-entry and a gap of 3 years? I only completed my degree this year and was classed as a student then because I was only 21 starting it. But surely I am a mature student now? Confused. :/


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,479 ✭✭✭✭ Annasopra


    The student/mature student dependent on parents is confusing me. I'm 24 so I would have assumed that I'm classed as a mature student because I'm now progressing into a new course (postgrad)? But what is this thing about re-entry and a gap of 3 years? I only completed my degree this year and was classed as a student then because I was only 21 starting it. But surely I am a mature student now? Confused. :/

    You are considered an independent mature student if you are over 23 and live away from home

    If you start your degree under the age of 23 or if you are still living at home you won't be considered an "independent mature student"

    If you begin college a dependent student and graduate - you cannot change your class/status until there is a break of three years or more
    Classes of applicant
    13. (1) For the purposes of this Scheme there shall be two classes of applicant
    as follows—
    (a) independent student; and
    (b) dependent student.

    (2) An applicant’s class is defined at their first point of entry to an approved post leaving certificate course or an approved higher education course or at their point of re-entry to such an approved course and will continue to apply for the duration of their studies.
    (3) In this scheme an “independent student” means a mature student who did not ordinarily reside with his or her parents, or either of them, from 1 October of the year before the first point of entry to an approved post leaving certificate course or an approved higher education course or re-entry to an approved course.
    (4) “Mature student” means a student who on 1 January—
    (a) in the year of entry for the first time to an approved post leaving certificate course;
    (b) in the year of entry for the first time to an approved higher education course (other than a course known for the time being as a post leaving certificate course); or
    (c) in the year of re-entry to an approved course, is at least 23 years old.
    (5) “Re-entry”, for the purposes of this Scheme, means a mature student
    entering an approved course following a break in studies of at least three years,
    having previously attended an approved course.

    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 longhalloween


    (5) “Re-entry”, for the purposes of this Scheme, means a mature student
    entering an approved course following a break in studies of at least three years, having previously attended an approved course.

    According to SUSI support you must also be progressing (eg completed Level 7, waited 3 years, applied for a level 8) for this to apply.


  • Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭ Viva La Gloria


    If you begin college a dependent student and graduate - you cannot change your class/status until there is a break of three years or more

    Really? So I am still considered a dependent student even though I am 24 and progressing to a masters, because there hasn't been a 3 year gap? :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 643 NewsMeQuick


    Hi all,

    I just started researching an MA and I'm very confused. I finished my B.A. a few weeks ago and was interested in doing an MA. OK from what I can see, maintenance post-grad is gone. What about fees? Do they pay any fees? I seen most of the fees in UCD are €10,000 for one year...who the hell has that?

    Profile: 25 years old, living at home with parents, just finished B.A. and qualified for free fees and a tiny maintenance grant, claimed first jobseekers allowance last week.

    :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,479 ✭✭✭✭ Annasopra


    Hi all,

    I just started researching an MA and I'm very confused. I finished my B.A. a few weeks ago and was interested in doing an MA. OK from what I can see, maintenance post-grad is gone. What about fees? Do they pay any fees? I seen most of the fees in UCD are €10,000 for one year...who the hell has that?

    Profile: 25 years old, living at home with parents, just finished B.A. and qualified for free fees and a tiny maintenance grant, claimed first jobseekers allowance last week.

    :confused:
    You can get a grant of 2000 towards fees or possibly upto 6000. Because you live at home these are assessed on your parents income. You qualify for the 2000 if income is less than 31500. You qualify for the 6000 if income is less than 22000 and you are receiving a social welfare payment

    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

       Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 643 NewsMeQuick


    OK under those terms I am eligible for neither. So if I want an M.A. in something businessy I need 10k?

    Okey dokey lol


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