Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

Eirebear · 17-06-2012 12:33AM

Dempsey wrote: »

He's said nothing that I've not said. You looking at post counts before deciding who should have an opinion or not?

monkey9 wrote: »

A Celtic fan with bitterness and hatred towards Rangers! Well i never!!!! Next you'll be telling me that Rangers fans have some sort of bitterness and hatred towards Celtic!

Difference being some people manage to have a decent, thought out, constructive post which adds to the conversation every now and then.
Others don't.

TBH i don't even know why i'm posting this. Can't be ****ed with this forum these days.

monkey9 · 17-06-2012 12:46AM

Eirebear wrote: »

Difference being some people manage to have a decent, thought out, constructive post which adds to the conversation every now and then.
Others don't.

TBH i don't even know why i'm posting this. Can't be ****ed with this forum these days.

Probably because you've no club to support!!

Dempsey · 17-06-2012 12:47AM

Eirebear wrote: »

Difference being some people manage to have a decent, thought out, constructive post which adds to the conversation every now and then.
Others don't.

TBH i don't even know why i'm posting this. Can't be ****ed with this forum these days.

I can understand the frustration and anger, the annoyance at the rival fans sticking the boot in. Celtic fans have been there, its a situation you dont fully understand until you are subjected to it and like said, Rangers are now going through something that is worse for the fans. The EBT scheme and tax evasion stops me from showing too much empathy tbh.

I hope you dont walk away like keithafc, whilst we had our differences in the past I still respect your opinion tbh

Eirebear · 17-06-2012 01:02AM

Dempsey wrote: »

I can understand the frustration and anger, the annoyance at the rival fans sticking the boot in. Celtic fans have been there, its a situation you dont fully understand until you are subjected to it and like said, Rangers are now going through something that is worse for the fans. The EBT scheme and tax evasion stops me from showing too much empathy tbh.

I hope you dont walk away like keithafc, whilst we had our differences in the past I still respect your opinion tbh

Fair play man - I don't particularly expect sympathy, but as with all areas of life, there are some whose opinions i respect and , albeit grudgingly, will accept the fact that they will enjoy times like this and then there are the others.

Just because it's an internet forum, doesnt mean i particularly have to accept the narrowmindedness of constant hate filled posts. If we were sitting in a boozer in glasgow, or in dublin or wherever - how often would either of us give the guy who pops in and shouts at the top of his voice about "huns" and "scum" and airs his general hate filled views at anyone who will listen?

I'm not going to walk away (Yeah...i see what you did there!

) but things are pretty busy in my life right now and that coupled with the current situation at Ibrox leaves me a lot less tolerant, and it's probably best that i keep my actions as much as possible to reading what's been said on here for a while rather than risk pissing off the members that i do have some respect for.

oranbhoy67 · 17-06-2012 02:04AM

Eirebear wrote: »

Fair play man - I don't particularly expect sympathy, but as with all areas of life, there are some whose opinions i respect and , albeit grudgingly, will accept the fact that they will enjoy times like this and then there are the others.

Just because it's an internet forum, doesnt mean i particularly have to accept the narrowmindedness of constant hate filled posts. If we were sitting in a boozer in glasgow, or in dublin or wherever - how often would either of us give the guy who pops in and shouts at the top of his voice about "huns" and "scum" and airs his general hate filled views at anyone who will listen?

I'm not going to walk away (Yeah...i see what you did there! ) but things are pretty busy in my life right now and that coupled with the current situation at Ibrox leaves me a lot less tolerant, and it's probably best that i keep my actions as much as possible to reading what's been said on here for a while rather than risk pissing off the members that i do have some respect for.

Where did i call you scum? And wheres the hate filled views? I couldnt care less if you respect my views or not & this isnt a boozer its an internet forum in case you havent noticed and just because im new to this section of it doesnt make my points any less valid...

Oh and a the rangers fan lecturing folk about narrow minded and hate filled views?? Wheres that pic of the irony meter at full pelt that was posted earlier id post it now if i could be arsed,the jely and ice cream still tastes as sweet now as it ever did

Helix · 17-06-2012 03:24AM

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

Oh and a the rangers fan lecturing folk about narrow minded and hate filled views?? Wheres that pic of the irony meter at full pelt that was posted earlier

i dont think ive ever seen eirebear post anything vaguely resembling hate or narrow minded views on here. on the other hand ive seen one post from you and you've already outdone him on that front

Eirebear · 17-06-2012 11:31AM

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

Oh and a the rangers fan lecturing folk about narrow minded and hate filled views??

lol

Eirebear · 17-06-2012 11:32AM

Helix wrote: »

i dont think ive ever seen eirebear post anything vaguely resembling hate or narrow minded views on here. on the other hand ive seen one post from you and you've already outdone him on that front

To be fair, i have got carried away with things once or twice on here. But it's certainly not my default style.

lubo_moravcik · 17-06-2012 11:40AM

Club 12

shankespony · 17-06-2012 11:50AM

Eirebear, sorry to hear about your club, and fairplay for coming on the website and expressing your views. I know alot of very decent rangers fans who love their club and i empathize because i'd be devastated if it was celtic. U are not responsible for what has happened and the amount of stick you get for posting is from people who have never met a rangers fan is not merited.

I think personally a revamp of the leagues and first division would satisfy me, division 3 would be too far in imo, but demotion to Div1 would be a fair compromise will the other sanctions that have been dished out. I am puzzled that there has been a significant lack of contrition from the club, and smith, mccoist, durrant etc have to clarify the EBT position.

I hope alls well in donegal, even though you pumped my team yesterday!

Eirebear · 17-06-2012 11:59AM

shankespony wrote: »

Eirebear, sorry to hear about your club, and fairplay for coming on the website and expressing your views. I know alot of very decent rangers fans who love their club and i empathize because i'd be devastated if it was celtic. U are not responsible for what has happened and the amount of stick you get for posting is from people who have never met a rangers fan is not merited.

lol - sure we need to let some of these poor lads know that life exists outside their little circle, the wonders of the internet eh?

shankespony wrote: »

I think personally a revamp of the leagues and first division would satisfy me, division 3 would be too far in imo, but demotion to Div1 would be a fair compromise will the other sanctions that have been dished out. I am puzzled that there has been a significant lack of contrition from the club, and smith, mccoist, durrant etc have to clarify the EBT position.

I think the SFA's proposals to merge the bodies back together can only be a good thing, there is far too much infighting and squabbling in Scotland's authorities - and one body should run the show.
I'd honestly have no issue with us being sent to the 3rd division as a Newco, but the SPL/SFA are gonna have to show some balls to do it.
As for the EBT's etc - I agree, we need clarity on it, but then we've been asking for Clarity since the last few years of Murray's reign....

shankespony wrote: »

I hope alls well in donegal, even though you pumped my team yesterday!

I saw that alright, don't follow the GAA really - but it's always nice to see them win!

Jelle1880 · 17-06-2012 01:11PM

I'm starting to hear rumours that the SFA could (after this whole revamp is done) demote Rangers to the equivalent of Div1.

Meaning that if Rangers do get promoted they will only be without the Old Firm games for 1 season, which means that Sky may very well be tempted to come back into it.

It would also allow the SFA to say 'But we did punish them see!'.

For what it's worth: **** them if that's their idea.

TheBuilder · 17-06-2012 01:17PM

I heard that as well, seemingly Sky are willing to play ball on the idea of no rangers v celtic for one season, the deal will then rely on whether we get promoted or not.

Eirebear · 17-06-2012 01:19PM

I'd have hoped this SFA merger would have led o some forward thinking.
I guess not!

jack presley · 17-06-2012 01:23PM

What would Rangers fan like to see happen?

Jelle1880 · 17-06-2012 01:45PM

The majority that I know would accept demotion to Div3 and work our way back up.

This would mean two things:

1. Most other clubs would stop their moaning about how we won't be punished
2. The SPL won't be able to use Rangers as a cash cow while crippling us financially.

Dempsey · 17-06-2012 02:07PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

I heard that as well, seemingly Sky are willing to play ball on the idea of no rangers v celtic for one season, the deal will then rely on whether we get promoted or not.

Sky should have no input into how the league is run, how it punishes clubs when they mess up.

blahfckingblah · 17-06-2012 02:10PM

I hate the way many are talking about the sky deal like our lives depend on it, it should be a bonus for clubs not the mainstay of their survival same goes for European football.

TheBuilder · 17-06-2012 02:11PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Sky should have no input into how the league is run, how it punishes clubs when they mess up.

Unfortunately Sky get too much power over football these days. There's a reason they're now paying 6.6million for every EPL game they show from 2013-16.

TheBuilder · 17-06-2012 02:12PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

I hate the way many are talking about the sky deal like our lives depend on it, it should be a bonus for clubs not the mainstay of their survival same goes for European football.

Nobody wants out lives to depend it, it's reality unfortunately.

Dempsey · 17-06-2012 02:12PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

I hate the way many are talking about the sky deal like our lives depend on it, it should be a bonus for clubs not the mainstay of their survival same goes for European football.

Absolutely correct, too many clubs are dependant on income that they do not control. Its a shocking way to run a business.

Dempsey · 17-06-2012 02:13PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Unfortunately Sky get too much power over football these days. There's a reason they're now paying 6.6million for every EPL game they show from 2013-16.

They dont decide punishments in the EPL, why should they have an input in the SPL?

TheBuilder · 17-06-2012 02:14PM

Dempsey wrote: »

They dont decide punishments in the EPL, why should they have an input in the SPL?

Did I say they should? No.

My reference to the EPL was because it shows Sky are buying power because as much as we don't like it they control a lot from fixtures to kick off times. Too many teams, and as a result the SPL/SFA are relying on it and will let themselves be influenced, as much as we don't agree with it.

Dempsey · 17-06-2012 02:19PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Did I say they should? No.

Then why be on about the amount of money they can inject into a game when I'm on about them dangling a carrot to punish a club in a certain way and the way they shouldnt have an input into how clubs are punished?

TheBuilder · 17-06-2012 02:20PM

Sorry I edited my previous post.

Dempsey · 17-06-2012 02:31PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18476930

Rangers will not appear on the official Scottish Premier League fixture list for 2012-13 when it is published at 09:00 BST on Monday.

Instead, the soon-to-be liquidated club will be replaced with "Club 12".

Club 12 eh?

jack presley · 17-06-2012 02:35PM

I wonder will the fixture list come up with Celtic v Club 12 around Christmas time?

A Dub in Glasgo · 17-06-2012 03:13PM

It is obvious that they are just going to find and replace 'Rangers' with 'Club 12' in the fixture list

Old Gill · 17-06-2012 03:29PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

The majority that I know would accept demotion to Div3 and work our way back up.

This would mean two things:

1. Most other clubs would stop their moaning about how we won't be punished
2. The SPL won't be able to use Rangers as a cash cow while crippling us financially.

As a celtic fan but trying to be impartial (for the sake of this post anyway

) I think starting in division 3 would be best for the new rangers club as well as scottish football. Fans of other clubs can have solace that justice has taken place whereas fans of the new club can enjoy rebuilding away from the pressures of having to compete for titles etc. By the time they reach the spl they will have grown, strengthened and the new rivalry will also add a bit of a boost to the league, perhaps giving it a new lease of life. Allowing them to go straight in would kill attendances for all clubs. Their fans can also enjoy a change of scenery at tiny away grounds for a few years (this isnt sarcastic id love a few seasons building up from league 2 in england, packing out accrington, bury etc)

monkey9 · 17-06-2012 03:43PM

Most opinion about Rangers going bust is that it will have a negative impact on Scottish football and i suppose it does, especially financially in terms of tv deals and other clubs not getting the money from Rangers fans at their ground.

But could there be any positives to be taken from this? Would the players that would normally go to Rangers as well as Celtic, with no Rangers maybe instead they'll go to the likes of Hearts or Motherwell etc. This could help them grow as clubs and establish them as title challengers to Celtic.

I know Celtic will probably win the league over the next few seasons, but if Hearts etc can establish a reputation for themselves in terms of success , that could help them be stronger and bigger than before.

So, by the time the new Rangers gets back up to the top division, the top of the Scottish league could be more competitive than before and not just a two horse race every season!

Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

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