Prometheus SPOILERS FROM POST 1538

Mickeroo · 14-06-2012 01:28PM

shizz wrote: »

But the difference is with the original Alien they never gave you the opportunity to correct them on these sort of mistakes. Nothing was explained. You were just shown a ship in the middle of space. No distances shown on the screen, no one spouting out distances just times eg. I think in it they were still 6 months from earth. No evidence of them breaking universal constants because they didn't try explain them.

Yeah true, I always thought it was implied they had faster than light travel because of the "6 months", but its not pointed out so blatantly as it is in Prometheus and didn't really have an impact on my enjoyment of the film.

shizz · 14-06-2012 01:31PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Yeah true, I always thought it was implied they had faster than light travel because of the "6 months", but its not pointed out so blatantly as it is in Prometheus and didn't really have an impact on my enjoyment of the film.

Aye it seemed implied. It must be the case anyway unless technology went backwards after Prometheus. Which I suppose it did to clunky keyboards and the rest.

Skerries · 14-06-2012 02:36PM

shizz wrote: »

Aye it seemed implied. It must be the case anyway unless technology went backwards after Prometheus. Which I suppose it did to clunky keyboards and the rest.

don't diss clunky keyboards, they're making a comeback and a lot of gamers are paying top dollar for mechanical keyboards

Dublin_Gunner · 14-06-2012 03:04PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Yeah true, I always thought it was implied they had faster than light travel because of the "6 months", but its not pointed out so blatantly as it is in Prometheus and didn't really have an impact on my enjoyment of the film.

Also, current concepts of 'faster than light' travel, don't actually require you to travel faster than the speed of light - you merely make the distance between two points in space smaller.

So in essence, you could travel between two points in space more quickly than it would take light to travel that distance, but you are actually travelling a shorter path to the same point.

This would also help Prometheus from breaking universal constants, but we never get into the technology of the propulsion system.

shizz · 14-06-2012 03:06PM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Also, current concepts of 'faster than light' travel, don't actually require you to travel faster than the speed of light - you merely make the distance between two points in space smaller.

So in essence, you could travel between two points in space more quickly than it would take light to travel that distance, but you are actually travelling a shorter path to the same point.

This would also help Prometheus from breaking universal constants, but we never get into the technology of the propulsion system.

Well we know they were ion drives IIRC. Which, as far as I'm aware, aren't what's required for that. Ya need a warp drive captain

Dublin_Gunner · 14-06-2012 04:29PM

shizz wrote: »

Well we know they were ion drives IIRC. Which, as far as I'm aware, aren't what's required for that. Ya need a warp drive captain

We know it has ion drives (which technically cannot jump to a high speed and must accelerate over time as the thrust output is quite small but constant) so I was personally presuming they had another 'FTL' drive built into the ship for FTL travel, and the ion drives for regular travel.

shizz · 14-06-2012 04:41PM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

We know it has ion drives (which technically cannot jump to a high speed and must accelerate over time as the thrust output is quite small but constant) so I was personally presuming they had another 'FTL' drive built into the ship for FTL travel, and the ion drives for regular travel.

Aye I suppose that's an easy cop out but the reality is we know it has ion drives and they didn't make reference to any other system. It's very easy to just come in with "ah well it had something else that did that" in that case.

On the matter of Ion drives, which as you said use a small constant rate of acceleration to pick up speed, it seems like they just stuck to the blue color of the Ion drive? I mean, obviously it is supposed to be a great leap in technology but they are made completely redundant within an atmosphere and I lol'd at the end when they gathered the thrust to crash into the other ship. Can you remember what they said again at this point? Did they point to any other type of propulsion?

Dublin_Gunner · 14-06-2012 05:22PM

Nope, Captain Greasemonkey specifically said engage the Ion drive(s)...

shizz · 14-06-2012 05:30PM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Nope, Captain Greasemonkey specifically said engage the Ion drive(s)...

I thought so haha

opinion guy · 14-06-2012 05:40PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Pretty sure I remember seeing 3 red dots in the same shape as the Predator's laser sighting at some point. THink it might have been during weyland's hologram.

Didn't see that I will look out for it if I go again

krudler · 14-06-2012 06:07PM

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

We know it has ion drives (which technically cannot jump to a high speed and must accelerate over time as the thrust output is quite small but constant) so I was personally presuming they had another 'FTL' drive built into the ship for FTL travel, and the ion drives for regular travel.

GAAman · 14-06-2012 06:40PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Pretty sure I remember seeing 3 red dots in the same shape as the Predator's laser sighting at some point. THink it might have been during weyland's hologram.

opinion guy wrote: »

YES I said ages ago the hologram thing looked just like predator and noone noticed so thanks for confirming my thoughts on this. If you ask me, there are definite Predator nods in this film. The apparent Alien worship in murals etc, the holograms that not only look like Predator tech but also the movements of the aliens are very Predator like

I was just thinking there and remembered at the end of one of the AVP movies a character identified as "Ms Yutani" was given some recovered predator tech so I wonder if that has some bearing on it.

krudler · 14-06-2012 06:56PM

GAAman wrote: »

I was just thinking there and remembered at the end of one of the AVP movies a character identified as "Ms Yutani" was given some recovered predator tech so I wonder if that has some bearing on it.

the AVP movies dont exist (and rightly so) in the Prometheus world afaik. I dont consider them canon to either the alien or predator movies.

Duggy747 · 15-06-2012 12:25PM

Elder Engineer cut from the beginning:
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Mickeroo · 15-06-2012 01:00PM

krudler wrote: »

the AVP movies dont exist (and rightly so) in the Prometheus world afaik. I dont consider them canon to either the alien or predator movies.

I would still consider the comics canon, AVP movies were a disaster, but they were a missed opportunity. At least the games and comics stuck to the same timeline as the Alien movies with the colonial Marines being involved and that. The big **** up (apart from WS Anderson and the brothers whatever, and **** scripts) was having the xeno's in the present day. The few sequences where the xeno and pred go at it were enjoyable in both movies though I have to admit

@Duggy747: Wonder why they cut the elder out, seems there was a lot of tinkering gonig on with the film right up until it was released from some of the stuff you posted. I actually think the prologue was one of the best scenes in the film, there was a genuine sense of mystery and other worldness(for want of a better word) about it that kind of got bludgened out of existence by the rest of the film. The score suited that scene much better than the rest of the film too.

bullvine · 15-06-2012 01:41PM

Duggy747 wrote: »

Elder Engineer cut from the beginning:

WTF? yet more confusion, to add to why he sacrificed himself!

GAAman · 15-06-2012 02:17PM

krudler wrote: »

the AVP movies dont exist (and rightly so) in the Prometheus world afaik. I dont consider them canon to either the alien or predator movies.

Yeah, we wouldn't want to take away from a sterling movie in Prometheus now would we :pac:

bullvine wrote: »

WTF? yet more confusion, to add to why he sacrificed himself!

Actually it clears at least one thing up. In this thread it was suggested the first engineer was a rogue that's why the ship left him. This now confirms that he was meant to sacrifice himself with the backing of the other engineers/elders, with a view to creating life on earth.

Also another thought crossed my mind. The xeno symbol in the cargo hold above all the jars, anyone else think instead of a worship symbol it could be a warning symbol? Like the nuclear sign above weapon stockpiles.

LeinsterDub · 15-06-2012 02:17PM

Is this film going to be like Blade Runner and have 4 million different cuts? Judging by the screens that have been posted a lot was left on the cutting room floor

weiland79 · 15-06-2012 03:12PM

Right I've lowered my expectations sufficently enough to book tickets for tomorrow evening, and am pretty confident that i will enjoy this movie regardless of what is being said about it.

Also if i don't see it sharpish i'm going to have seen most of the good bits anyway.

Problem is that i can't get a 2D showing at the time that suits me. Is it a load of crap in 3D and will it ruin the experience for me.

I'm sur it's been asked loads in this thread but i don't want to check through it.

Thanks.

Cork boy 55 · 15-06-2012 03:18PM

It's a good decent movie, 7/10 entertaining 2 hours .

It could have , should have been a classic , may have to watch it again
in future before final opinon.

The film needs an extra 30 minutes at least , especially at the start
they are on the planet and in the installation before we know it.

I think reading this thread that most agree that the crew
dragged it down
The crew drags it down not Shaw or David but the rest of them
there is no character development of any of the minor actors
they are just props
the script is sub-par
The crew performs in a amauterish and chaotic manner
There is no proper command and control,
few meetings,
no disipilane(we are going back to the ship, WTF).
Some of the cast are clearing miscast, the black captain guy , Vickers

With a bit better script and dialouge,
a few extra scenes,
more developent of the minor characters,
a few different actors ,
a crew behaving as it should in a professional manner( off the top of my head look at the crew in the film sunshine for example)
It could have been, should have been a 10/10
turning fitfield into some sort of zombie was a bit lazy perhaps
another Alien could have introduced instead.
All these mistakes where clearly avoidable

The biggest unanswered question is what is wrong with David
Is he broken or following some hidden Weyland orders.

Kiith · 15-06-2012 03:54PM

Mark Hamill · 15-06-2012 03:55PM

Duggy747 wrote: »

Elder Engineer cut from the beginning:

The guy in the back looks like Voldemort.

opinion guy · 15-06-2012 04:19PM

krudler wrote: »

the AVP movies dont exist (and rightly so) in the Prometheus world afaik. I dont consider them canon to either the alien or predator movies.

True - but it doesn't mean there aren't nods to Predator.

Mickeroo wrote: »

I would still consider the comics canon, AVP movies were a disaster, but they were a missed opportunity.

I actually really enjoyed the second one!!!

bullvine wrote: »

WTF? yet more confusion, to add to why he sacrificed himself!

Old guy in the background encouraging the young zealot to kill himself.

Suicide bombers ???? :P

Definitely religionists anyhow.

I wonder if there was some religious zealotry subtheme in the movie that they decided to cut out to avoid offending people ?

Edit: wait a minute - these guys look totally different - they aren't at all built like the guys in Prometheus. we sure this isn't from some other movie ?

GAAman · 15-06-2012 04:52PM

opinion guy wrote: »

True - but it doesn't mean there aren't nods to Predator.

I actually really enjoyed the second one!!!

Old guy in the background encouraging the young zealot to kill himself.

Suicide bombers ???? :P

Definitely religionists anyhow.

I wonder if there was some religious zealotry subtheme in the movie that they decided to cut out to avoid offending people ?

Edit: wait a minute - these guys look totally different - they aren't at all built like the guys in Prometheus. we sure this isn't from some other movie ?

It is the same engineer from the first scene wearing the same robe, it is possible they have different classes of engineer similar to there being 2 classes of predator in Predators. Or maybe that is evidence of the evolution of the engineers people were giving out about there not being earlier in the thread, maybe their evolution involved heavy weight training :pac:

seraphimvc · 15-06-2012 07:35PM

The 'evolution' in Prometheus:

Black goo melting gives lives->simple organism->???->Dinosaur->?->?->???-> Human

and BAM, the writer/s decided that the DNA of the 'engineer' is the exact match of Human. We are indeed very special.

Skerries · 15-06-2012 07:38PM

Duggy747 · 16-06-2012 02:05AM

Loads more production shots of the engineer and old man Guy Pearce HERE

fitz0 · 16-06-2012 02:12AM

He has a belly button but no nipples. Curious.

opinion guy · 16-06-2012 02:17AM

fitz0 wrote: »

He has a belly button but no nipples. Curious.

....and 100% human DNA...even more curious!!!

al28283 · 16-06-2012 02:28AM

GAAman wrote: »

Actually it clears at least one thing up. In this thread it was suggested the first engineer was a rogue that's why the ship left him. This now confirms that he was meant to sacrifice himself with the backing of the other engineers/elders, with a view to creating life on earth.

This confirms nothing. Why is it feasible that one engineer would go rogue but not that two would?

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