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Worst fate to befall a character?

  • 12-06-2012 11:48am
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭


    Given the success of the crime thread...

    I'll get the ball rolling:

    My favourite, Commodore matt decker, driven insane by watching his entire crew killed by the planet killer when thought he had beamed them to safety.

    The Borg hive mind, murdered in a fit of pique by a time bandit.

    Another fave of mine, the Moriarty hologram, banished to a bodiless void for eternity.

    Khaaaaaan, abandoned on an idyllic Eden like planet, only for it to become a wasteland and kill all his people driving him insane.

    Gull Dukat, sent to actual hell?

    Thomas Riker? Cmdr Tucker? Jadzia Dax?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    The girl shot with the Varon-T disrupter by a country mile

    Varria_varon-t_death.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    The only time I saw a head explode on Star Trek

    tng-125-conspiracy29.gif


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    wasnt moriarty let loose into a virtual universe?
    he'd have no way of knowing it wasn't the actual universe and what he wanted wasn't actually possible so it was the best possible solution


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    wasnt moriarty let loose into a virtual universe?
    he'd have no way of knowing it wasn't the actual universe and what he wanted wasn't actually possible so it was the best possible solution

    Yep, agreed. Plus he was never in the real universe to begin with...he existed in the holodeck. So basically he was removed from the computer, & placed into a larger environment. I don't see anything bad about this, they could have just deleted him.

    It's like taking a fish out of a bowl & putting it into an aquarium


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭Indricotherium


    EnterNow wrote: »
    wasnt moriarty let loose into a virtual universe?
    he'd have no way of knowing it wasn't the actual universe and what he wanted wasn't actually possible so it was the best possible solution

    Yep, agreed. Plus he was never in the real universe to begin with...he existed in the holodeck. So basically he was removed from the computer, & placed into a larger environment. I don't see anything bad about this, they could have just deleted him.

    It's like taking a fish out of a bowl & putting it into an aquarium

    Between his first and second appearance, Moriarty was left in a void for what was to him eternity.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,177 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    I felt sorry for Alexander, Worf didn't really care about him and he was lost between human and klingon worlds, then for some reason he wanted to be a warrior but lacked nearly all the qualities for being one, it falls into the "why be something you're not" category. So he had to train the hard way and was generally humiliated for a long time. He probably wanted to gain Worf's acceptance. It sort of works out for him in the respect that when he goes back in time to fix the shaky path he's on he reveals to Worf that he's an ambassador or something like that. Essentially his entire life is one of struggle, repeated failures and being a dissapointment to his father.

    Yeah the girl who got shot with the Varron T had a horrible end to a purgatorial life as Fajo's slave.

    Harry Kim had a misreable life being Janeway's whipping boy. He never advanced through the ranks and declined Seven's advances, his life was one of denied opportunities, incredible regrets and shattered confidence.

    That old guy on the planet who had omnipotent powers in TNG, he was basically left to his own perpetual personal hell when Picard left him.

    I think Moriarty got off lightly though, unless he realised at some point that his universe was a simulation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Between his first and second appearance, Moriarty was left in a void for what was to him eternity.

    Ah sorry I thought you meant his final fate, when they remove him from the computer & give him a dedicated simulation box thingy.

    Yeah that inbetween episodes void....good one


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭Kurn


    Tasha Yar killed by... tar...


    (Waving goodbye, always made me laugh)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭downwithpeace


    Crew of the USS Lantree aging in days was bad.
    DS9 episode Nor the Battle to the Strong had a fairly minced up Federation solider, I think I'm remembering that worse then it actually was.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    johnmryan wrote: »
    Tasha Yar killed by... tar...


    (Waving goodbye, always made me laugh)

    that video clip has nothing to do with tasha yar...

    --edit

    omg, rofl. nevermind

    i never saw that before.. hahahahahahaahha


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    --edit

    omg, rofl. nevermind

    i never saw that before.. hahahahahahaahha

    Lol, good isn't it. It was her very final shoot if I remember correctly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭Kurn


    Apparently they filmed them out of sequence, so yes it would have been her final one. Apart from the 'daughter' and self from another time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭Indricotherium


    johnmryan wrote: »
    Apparently they filmed them out of sequence, so yes it would have been her final one. Apart from the 'daughter' and self from another time.

    They have to be two of the most dreadful episodes ever.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    They have to be two of the most dreadful episodes ever.

    Redemption & Yesterdays Enterprise? :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭Kurn


    They have to be two of the most dreadful episodes ever.

    Assume he means the one where she dies and her final episode. Could not possibly mean Yesterdays Enterprise?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    johnmryan wrote: »
    Could not possibly mean Yesterdays Enterprise?

    Surely not Jim?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭Kurn


    EnterNow wrote: »
    Surely not Jim?

    5864596642_8f1fe8b09c.jpg

    I thought Indricotherium was referring to the episodes Skin of Evil & Symbiosis


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭Indricotherium


    johnmryan wrote: »
    They have to be two of the most dreadful episodes ever.

    Assume he means the one where she dies and her final episode. Could not possibly mean Yesterdays Enterprise?

    This.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    They are pretty woeful for sure :D Early TNG is a tough watch these days


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭Goldstein


    Have to admit, Jake Sisko's fate in The Visitor of searching for his lost Dad haunts me.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,190 ✭✭✭✭IvySlayer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Sisko: A subjective eternity stuck with those holier than thou wormhole aliens. No thanks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,729 ✭✭✭Pride Fighter


    Needs no explanation


    THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,190 ✭✭✭✭IvySlayer


    Sisko: A subjective eternity stuck with those holier than thou wormhole aliens. No thanks!

    Not to mention having Kai Winn in your face...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    IvySlayer wrote: »
    Not to mention having Kai Winn in your face...

    That, is not linear

    Listening to that all day too :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 322 ✭✭Apolloyon


    Lee Kelso getting strangled by cable thanks to Gary Mitchell was a pretty bad end for such a promising character in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 638 ✭✭✭Endaaaagh


    Sonak_dead.jpg

    Death by transporter malfunction :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭Reg'stoy


    Lazarus, who must spend eternity fighting himself to protect all of existence in TOS The Alternative Factor episode.

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    I remember seeing it for the first time and thinking, it was unusual that he would never be rewarded for his ulimate sacrifice, which normally happened in TV shows.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭Cossax


    While not the worst fate imaginable, I'd say Thomas Riker being stuck on a planet on your own for 8 years is pretty rough.

    The crew of the Pegasus had a nasty enough end as well, phasing back into solid rock. :confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭FGR


    Cossax wrote: »
    While not the worst fate imaginable, I'd say Thomas Riker being stuck on a planet on your own for 8 years is pretty rough.

    That said I wonder if he preferred that solitude over Cardassian prison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    Worse fate is that of the offspring of Janeway and Paris in that episode where they go over warp 10 ...Left to plotter on a planet as a primitive lifeform.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    AngryLips wrote: »
    Worse fate is that of the offspring of Janeway and Paris in that episode where they go over warp 10 ...Left to plotter on a planet as a primitive lifeform.

    To be pedantic, didn't that experiment accelerate the evolution process...rather than being primitive, they're probably where we're heading.

    Though judging by some of our politicians, I've begun to wonder if we've reached that point already :rolleyes:

    Threshold.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭downwithpeace


    EnterNow wrote: »
    Threshold.jpg

    The real looser here was the viewer, what a worse fate then the writers saving Janeway and Paris :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,729 ✭✭✭Pride Fighter


    EnterNow wrote: »
    To be pedantic, didn't that experiment accelerate the evolution process...rather than being primitive, they're probably where we're heading.

    Though judging by some of our politicians, I've begun to wonder if we've reached that point already :rolleyes:

    Threshold.jpg

    What was it that Janeway said, the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

    The randy so and so ;):p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭GreenWolfe


    I think Dexter Remmick's end was fairly sticky. Being possessed by the mother parasite and then being blown apart....used to give me the shivers!



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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,213 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Ah, that creeped the hell out of me back in the day. It had a lot of potential for a really dark storyline as well, one which was sadly never used.

    Interesting reading up on the episode actually.
    The original version of the script did not feature alien parasites; the conspiracy in question was simply a military coup within Starfleet. Gene Roddenberry vehemently opposed such an idea, since he believed Starfleet would never stoop to such methods; there was just no way Tormé could get away with suggesting that the Federation was anything less than a perfect government. Thus the alien angle was introduced at his insistence. (DS9 later featured a similar plot, however, in the two-part episodes "Homefront" and "Paradise Lost".)

    I guess we wouldn't get to see this until DS9 did it in Homefront.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    Kiith wrote: »
    Ah, that creeped the hell out of me back in the day. It had a lot of potential for a really dark storyline as well, one which was sadly never used.

    Interesting reading up on the episode actually.



    I guess we wouldn't get to see this until DS9 did it in Homefront.

    I have a vague recollection of them scrapping it after Stargate took off, as the alien mind controlling parasites were too Goa'ould-like....


    The Memory Alpha bit is possibly more true to form with Roddenberry though.

    Wasn't he accused of being a communist because of his ideas for the federation?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    gatecrash wrote: »
    Wasn't he accused of being a communist because of his ideas for the federation?

    Probably. Anyone who didn't want to kill 'japs & reds' back then was likely accused of being a Communist. That was the beauty, bravery & brilliance of Roddenberrys message


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,177 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    EnterNow wrote: »
    To be pedantic, didn't that experiment accelerate the evolution process...rather than being primitive, they're probably where we're heading.

    Though judging by some of our politicians, I've begun to wonder if we've reached that point already :rolleyes:

    Threshold.jpg

    Of all the things they thought up why was it lizards? I mean seriously...what an insulting end to humanity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,729 ✭✭✭Pride Fighter


    Picard having to spend 6 hours on a shuttle with Wesley Crusher.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭Niska


    Picard having to spend 6 hours on a shuttle with Wesley Crusher.

    Not a terrible fate - he probably brought along a few games



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    Q, going from adversary/mentor to Voyagers comic relief


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭Kirby


    Goldstein wrote: »
    Have to admit, Jake Sisko's fate in The Visitor of searching for his lost Dad haunts me.



    Only the end scene. To be honest, you kind of have to watch the whole episode to do it justice.

    Cossax wrote: »
    While not the worst fate imaginable, I'd say Thomas Riker being stuck on a planet on your own for 8 years is pretty rough.

    The crew of the Pegasus had a nasty enough end as well, phasing back into solid rock. :confused:


    That death would be pretty instantaneous though. A slow torturous solitude would be far worse.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    Kirby wrote: »

    That death would be pretty instantaneous though. A slow torturous solitude would be far worse.


    tbh 7 years of peace and quiet is quite appealing at this point of my life!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    I'm going to nominate Tuvok for this award, shat on continually by the galaxy for nearly 120 years

    http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Tuvok

    Not killed but so many horrible things happened to him, various mind rapes and pychic take overs, stuck on a ship with Neelix, stranded across the galaxy, prison and torture, being merged into another person and not existing for a while and so forth


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭Kirby


    And they made him dance........:eek:



    :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭komodosp


    accelerate the evolution process
    No please no!!!


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