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Premiership Rugby out of Heineken Cup?

  • 11-06-2012 10:34PM
    #1
    KenSwee
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/18403809

    Here we go again. What are these guys up too?

    Can we afford to lose the English clubs?
    Is the Hino bigger than the Premiership?
    How big of an influence will Sky and Canal+ have?

    The French clubs are also threatening to pull out apparently.
    Every couple of years we see this, and it's getting boring. You never hear of football bodies pulling out of the Champions league.


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  • #2
    fitz
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    KenSwee wrote: »
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/18403809

    Here we go again. What are these guys up too?

    Can we afford to lose the English clubs?
    Is the Hino bigger than the Premiership?
    How big of an influence will Sky and Canal+ have?

    The French clubs are also threatening to pull out apparently.
    Every couple of years we see this, and it's getting boring. You never hear of football bodies pulling out of the Champions league.

    What will they say when they get their more favourable qualification criteria and then still end up getting beaten out the gate by Irish teams?

    Talk about whining.
    That's about as sour as grapes come.


  • #3
    thomond2006
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  • #4
    Fishooks12
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    Wouldn't pay much head to it, clearly a bluff

    The Premiership needs the HC as much as the HC needs the English teams


  • #5
    KenSwee
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    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    Wouldn't pay much head to it, clearly a bluff

    The Premiership needs the HC as much as the HC needs the English teams

    Agreed, they need a good kicking, but is this the clubs handy work as well?


  • #6
    Cosmo Kramer
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    One English win in the last eight seasons isn't exactly a great starting point for them in their negotiations to get anything extra in their favour here.

    Arrogant idiots.


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  • #7
    Chucky the tree
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    I'm interested in seeing what ideas they have for re-formatting qualification at the moment. I certainly think it could do with being drastically changed, especially the joke shop that is qualification for Irish, Welsh and Scottish teams.


  • #8
    Tox56
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    I say let them do what they want, qualification changes won't affect Leinster and I want to see what they say when English clubs don't immediately improve, maybe they'll realise there is a little more to their lack of success than Rabo qualification.


  • #9
    thomond2006
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    I'm interested in seeing what ideas they have for re-formatting qualification at the moment. I certainly think it could do with being drastically changed, especially the joke shop that is qualification for Irish, Welsh and Scottish teams.

    How about this, with 24 teams qualifying....

    Top 7 from England qualify
    Top 7 from France qualify
    Top 8 from Rabo qualify (Rabo gets one more place because it represents more countries)

    That makes 22 qualifications from league position and it's not too disimilar to the current system, the only drastic change is in the Rabo. It would benefit teams like Connacht in the Rabo who at the moment could finish 4th in the league and still not qualify if all the other Irish provinces are ahead of them. Extreme idea I know, but quite possible.

    For the remaining 2, HEC winner and runner up qualifies for the next season. If they qualify themselves through the league anyway, then they earn another place for their respective league, the highest placed team not qualifying normally therefore qualify.

    Tbh I don't like how Premiership Rugby has conducted themselves over this, they appear like whining bitches, but it is silly that the likes of Glasgow and Edinburgh qualify, however at the same time the point of the HEC has always been to have a good spread of countries.

    Honestly making a Top 7/8/9 from the Rabo qualifying would make the Rabo far more interesting and competitive. The French and English leagues have relegation battles to keep the bottom sides interested, giving a Heineken Cup spot to fight for would make the Rabo much more interesting for the likes of Aironi Zebre and Dragons.


  • #10
    Teferi
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    Crying-Baby-Natural-High-for-Some-Moms.jpg

    A pictorial representation of the English RFU.


  • #11
    Chucky the tree
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    How about this, with 24 teams qualifying....

    Top 7 from England qualify
    Top 7 from France qualify
    Top 8 from Rabo qualify (Rabo gets one more place because it represents more countries)

    That makes 22 qualifications from league position and it's not too disimilar to the current system, the only drastic change is in the Rabo. It would benefit teams like Connacht in the Rabo who at the moment could finish 4th in the league and still not qualify if all the other Irish provinces are ahead of them. Extreme idea I know, but quite possible.

    For the remaining 2, HEC winner and runner up qualifies for the next season. If they qualify themselves through the league anyway, then they earn another place for their respective league, the highest placed team not qualifying normally therefore qualify.

    Tbh I don't like how Premiership Rugby has conducted themselves over this, they appear like whining bitches, but it is silly that the likes of Glasgow and Edinburgh qualify, however at the same time the point of the HEC has always been to have a good spread of countries.

    Honestly making a Top 7/8/9 from the Rabo qualifying would make the Rabo far more interesting and competitive. The French and English leagues have relegation battles to keep the bottom sides interested, giving a Heineken Cup spot to fight for would make the Rabo much more interesting for the likes of Aironi Zebre and Dragons.


    How about top 4 from each and don't make the competition worse then it already is?


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  • #12
    Fishooks12
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    How about top 4 from each and don't make the competition worse then it already is?

    The competition is brilliant


  • #13
    Teferi
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    Yeah, that is a mad comment. It's my favourite rugby competition. Excitement in nearly every game.

    The opening weekend of it was bloody fantastic after the dross of the World Cup.


  • #14
    Chucky the tree
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    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    The competition is brilliant


    Your definition of brilliant is a lot different to mine tbh.


  • #15
    Teferi
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Your definition of brilliant is a lot different to mine tbh.

    Can you explain why you think it is bad? :)


  • #16
    Fishooks12
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Your definition of brilliant is a lot different to mine tbh.

    What Teferi said

    Across all sports it's my favorite in terms of quality, excitement and passion

    The main reason I think it's so good is that every second of every game is hugely important, not let up


  • #17
    efb
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    England need to do a Wales, suck it up and go with regions


  • #18
    OldRio
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    So the bully boys are starting again.
    Truly pathetic.


  • #19
    Tox56
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    The qualification process may be flawed but the actual competition is fantastic


  • #20
    JustinDee
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    Competition format is fine as it is. It isn't there to suit a private club or franchise owner. It is there to boost the development of the sport hence structure.


  • #21
    OldRio
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    Agreed fantastic competition.


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  • #22
    Chucky the tree
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    Teferi wrote: »
    Can you explain why you think it is bad? :)


    I never said it was bad. :confused:
    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    What Teferi said

    Across all sports it's my favorite in terms of quality, excitement and passion

    The main reason I think it's so good is that every second of every game is hugely important, not let up


    Every second of every game is important, steady on. Once a team loses they are nearly dead and buried and then you can get a lot of games where only one team has something to play for. The Italian teams pretty much provide nothing to the competition.


  • #23
    Tox56
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    The fact only twice has a team won the competition unbeaten(only once in current format) would suggest you aren't "dead and buried" after losing one game

    Treviso were very good this year too


  • #24
    mfceiling
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Teferi wrote: »
    Can you explain why you think it is bad? :)


    I never said it was bad. :confused:
    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    What Teferi said

    Across all sports it's my favorite in terms of quality, excitement and passion

    The main reason I think it's so good is that every second of every game is hugely important, not let up




    Every second of every game is important, steady on. Once a team loses they are nearly dead and buried and then you can get a lot of games where only one team has something to play for. The Italian teams pretty much provide nothing to the competition.

    Ulster lost to Leicester and clermont this year but still made the final..


  • #25
    Chucky the tree
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    mfceiling wrote: »
    Ulster lost to Leicester and clermont this year but still made the final..


    And?


  • #26
    Fishooks12
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    And?

    It negates your point that once a team loses a game or two they are "dead and buried"


  • #27
    Chucky the tree
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    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    It negates your point that once a team loses a game or two they are "dead and buried"


    I never said a team who loses a game are dead and buried.


  • #28
    Fishooks12
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    I never said a team who loses a game are dead and buried.
    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Once a team loses they are nearly dead and buried

    ?


  • #29
    Tox56
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    A team that loses a game clearly loses a game is hardly "nearly" dead and buried if you prefer, virtually every team that has won has lost at least once.

    You are given fair chance to recover from a single loss while every game is still crucial if you wish to qualify, I think the HEC has it done perfectly


  • #30
    Chucky the tree
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    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    ?


    Nearly.
    Tox56 wrote: »
    A team that loses a game clearly loses a game is hardly "nearly" dead and buried if you prefer, virtually every team that has won has lost at least once.

    You are given fair chance to recover from a single loss while every game is still crucial if you wish to qualify, I think the HEC has it done perfectly


    I wouldn't count losing a match in the last round when already qualified. This year only one team qualified who lost in the 1st round, only 2 in the second round.


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  • #31
    splashthecash
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    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    It negates your point that once a team loses a game or two they are "dead and buried"


    I never said a team who loses a game are dead and buried.

    You said nearly dead and buried .... Pretty close and I'd say this is what you meant


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